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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But one thing that I think is strange, is that there seems to be no such thing as a Christian fanatic group with a goal to kill/destroy/punish/whatever...fill in blank....

Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]

The pleasure will be mine.

1) Army of God
2) Freedomites
3) Nagaland Rebels
4) National Liberation Front of Tripura
5) Lord's Resistance Army
6) Ku Klux Klan

Do some research into these. And I'd personally like to add Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to the list.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world,

Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]

What about Dubya? He's a fanatic fundamentalist christian who seems to be doing a pretty good job of declaring war on the Muslim world.[/QUOTE]

Bush is the leader of a nation, a president.
It's not what I meant.[/QUOTE]

You've obviously never seen Pat Robertson, the Evangelical Christian and founder of the ultra-powerful lobbying group The Christian Coalition, on his TV show, the 700 Club. After 9-11 he did say publicly that he thought all Muslims should be slaughtered, and he was forced to take it back. Not to mention, since then he's said that the US should assassinate the president of Venezuala and that a town in Pennsylvania was going to feel the "wrath of God" for throwing out the public school board members who wanted to disallow teaching evolution in high school science classes, both of which he's had to apologize for.
The rest of the fanatical Christian groups? They don't get the coverage, and many of them don't want it because they are so infamous. The KKK is a religious group (they use religion to further their case against blacks), and there is a "church" in Kansas that gets media coverage because it goes to soldier's funerals who have died in Iraq and protest the funeral, with signs that say things like "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" because they believe Iraq is a punishment to the US for us being so "tolerant" of gays....which the US isn't tolerant of to begin with, since we don't let them get married and have the same rights as everyone else, so I don't even know where that argument is coming from.
Formerly MHG
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
After 9-11 he did say publicly that he thought all Muslims should be slaughtered, and he was forced to take it back.
[/QUOTE]

Source?
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
After 9-11 he did say publicly that he thought all Muslims should be slaughtered, and he was forced to take it back.
[/QUOTE]

Source?[/QUOTE]

I saw it on the news after 9-11. They played the clip of him saying it. But you can't find it anymore...he's disavowed saying it.
Formerly MHG
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
After 9-11 he did say publicly that he thought all Muslims should be slaughtered, and he was forced to take it back.
[/QUOTE]

Source?[/QUOTE]

I saw it on the news after 9-11. They played the clip of him saying it. But you can't find it anymore...he's disavowed saying it.[/QUOTE]

I would imagine that the clip would still exist somewhere on the internet. Robertson has enough enemies, plus he has said enough stupid things over the years, that it's out there, assuming the quote is correct. Just because he disavowed saying it doesn't mean it went away.

Personally, this is the first time I've heard that he advocated the "slaughter" of Muslims. In fact, if memory serves, it was Falwell that said a few stupid comments after September 11 on the 700 Club, not Robertson. Robertson agreed with Jerry's comments, but I do not recall anyone saying that Muslims should be slaughtered.

With a comment that incendiary, a citation is needed.
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But still, are all these Christian fanatic organizations illegal?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jake? wrote: I want him to shove it down my throat and shoot. Shoot! Shoot! C'mon! SHOOT! SHOOT! [/QUOTENAME] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But still, are all these Christian fanatic organizations illegal? [/QUOTE]

Yes.
"The others don't like my interviews. And frankly, I don't care much for theirs." ~ Freddie Mercury
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But still, are all these Christian fanatic organizations illegal? [/QUOTE]

Yes.[/QUOTE]

Now how about the Muslim fanatic organizations in Muslim countries?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jake? wrote: I want him to shove it down my throat and shoot. Shoot! Shoot! C'mon! SHOOT! SHOOT! [/QUOTENAME] [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not religion that's the problem. The true problem is human nature. The real thing to argue is that as long as there are differences in opinion, there will be bickering everywhere. Religion is but another of these differences in opinion.[/QUOTE]

Name one other difference of opinion that has caused more death throughout history than religion.
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The point of my post was to say that, should religion be eliminated from the world, all the bloody conflicts would still remain nonetheless. But it is true, that religion has been a primary target of wars. But consider that by and large the most modern wars were not "my religion is better than your religion"-based.

[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But one thing that I think is strange, is that there seems to be no such thing as a Christian fanatic group with a goal to kill/destroy/punish/whatever...fill in blank....

Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]

The pleasure will be mine.

1) Army of God
2) Freedomites
3) Nagaland Rebels
4) National Liberation Front of Tripura
5) Lord's Resistance Army
6) Ku Klux Klan

Do some research into these. And I'd personally like to add Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson to the list.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]

You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world,

Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]

What about Dubya? He's a fanatic fundamentalist christian who seems to be doing a pretty good job of declaring war on the Muslim world.[/QUOTE]

Bush is the leader of a nation, a president.
It's not what I meant.[/QUOTE]

You've obviously never seen Pat Robertson, the Evangelical Christian and founder of the ultra-powerful lobbying group The Christian Coalition, on his TV show, the 700 Club. After 9-11 he did say publicly that he thought all Muslims should be slaughtered, and he was forced to take it back. Not to mention, since then he's said that the US should assassinate the president of Venezuala and that a town in Pennsylvania was going to feel the "wrath of God" for throwing out the public school board members who wanted to disallow teaching evolution in high school science classes, both of which he's had to apologize for.
The rest of the fanatical Christian groups? They don't get the coverage, and many of them don't want it because they are so infamous. The KKK is a religious group (they use religion to further their case against blacks), and there is a "church" in Kansas that gets media coverage because it goes to soldier's funerals who have died in Iraq and protest the funeral, with signs that say things like "Thank God for Dead Soldiers" because they believe Iraq is a punishment to the US for us being so "tolerant" of gays....which the US isn't tolerant of to begin with, since we don't let them get married and have the same rights as everyone else, so I don't even know where that argument is coming from. [/QUOTE]

This is true. There are several Christian fundamentalists and their groups are quite numerous, despite being a small minority. HOWEVER, saying all Muslims should be slaughtered and being censured by the media is quite different than saying all Muslims should be slaughtered...and having several of your followers actually going out and slaughtering Muslims (as a comparison to the situation in the Middle E
Creativity can always cover for a lack of knowledge.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
After 9-11 he did say publicly that he thought all Muslims should be slaughtered, and he was forced to take it back.
[/QUOTE]

Source?[/QUOTE]

I saw it on the news after 9-11. They played the clip of him saying it. But you can't find it anymore...he's disavowed saying it.[/QUOTE]

I would imagine that the clip would still exist somewhere on the internet. Robertson has enough enemies, plus he has said enough stupid things over the years, that it's out there, assuming the quote is correct. Just because he disavowed saying it doesn't mean it went away.

Personally, this is the first time I've heard that he advocated the "slaughter" of Muslims. In fact, if memory serves, it was Falwell that said a few stupid comments after September 11 on the 700 Club, not Robertson. Robertson agreed with Jerry's comments, but I do not recall anyone saying that Muslims should be slaughtered.

With a comment that incendiary, a citation is needed.[/QUOTE]

I realize that...I'll look for the citation when I get out of work tomorrow morning.
Formerly MHG
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
After 9-11 he did say publicly that he thought all Muslims should be slaughtered, and he was forced to take it back.
[/QUOTE]

Source?[/QUOTE]

I saw it on the news after 9-11. They played the clip of him saying it. But you can't find it anymore...he's disavowed saying it.[/QUOTE]

I think I remember hearing something of that sort very soon after 9/11.
Here's the citations:
www.wikipedia.org
Remarks against Islam and Muslims
Robertson has frequently denounced the religion of Islam and Muslim people. During a 1995 taping of The 700 Club, he called the religion a "Christian heresy".[42] During a September 19, 2002 episode of FOX News Channel's Hannity & Colmes, Robertson claimed that the Muslim Prophet Muhammad, was "an absolute wild-eyed fanatic … a robber and a brigand."[43] He claimed on the September 14, 2004 episode of The 700 Club that "Islam is by the gun, by the fire, by the bayonet, by the torch."[citation needed] On the July 14, 2005 broadcast of the The 700 Club, he claimed that "Islam, at its core, teaches violence."[44]

On the March 13, 2006 broadcast of The 700 Club Robertson stated that Muslims want global domination and that the outpouring of rage elicited by cartoon drawings of the Islamic Prophet Muhammad "just shows the kind of people we're dealing with. These people are crazed fanatics, and I want to say it now: I believe it's motivated by demonic power. It is Satanic and it's time we recognize what we're dealing with." He finished by stating "by the way, Islam is not a religion of peace."[45]

The Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United for Separation of Church and State, called Robertson's new comments "grossly irresponsible." He went on to say, "At a time when inter-religious tensions around the world are at an all-time high, Robertson seems determined to throw gasoline on the fire."[46]

More Pat Robertson Qutoes that run along the same vein:

If anybody understood what Hindus really believe, there would be no doubt that they have no business administering government policies in a country that favors freedom and equality.... Can you imagine having the Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini as defense minister, or Mahatma Gandhi as minister of health, education, and welfare? The Hindu and Buddhist idea of karma and the Muslim idea of kismet, or fate condemn the poor and the disabled to their suffering.... It's the will of Allah. These beliefs are nothing but abject fatalism, and they would devastate the social gains this nation has made if they were ever put into practice.
-- Pat Robertson, The New World Order, p. 219


To see Americans become followers of Islam is nothing short of insanity.... The Islamic people, the Arabs, were the ones who captured Africans, put them in slavery, and sent them to America as slaves. Why would the people in America want to embrace the religion of slavers.
-- Pat Robertson, quoted from the American Muslim Council press release, "Statement regarding anti-Muslim comments made by Pat Robertson on October 27,1997" and elsewhere. (Read Robertson's complete anti-Muslim segment.)

"Don't you feel it rather interesting that every time you have a story about terrorism, it is linked to Muslim extremists? You don't hear somebody, 'Christian extremist killing film producers, Christian extremists blowing up trains.' It just doesn't happen. But it's Muslim extremists and, ladies and gentlemen, Islam, at least at its core, teaches violence. It's there in the Quran in clear, bold statements. Well over 100 verses dealing with violence against infidels, and that is what they're taught. They're also taught to sacrifice themselves in jihad against infidels to gain paradise. It is part of the teaching of that faith. And I know people so reluctant to say, 'Lets not identify those terrorists with these wonderful people.' Well, yes, they may be wonderful people, but this is what that faith teaches, and those who believe it sincerely in their hearts are those that think Osama bin Laden is their great hero. And I think we need to recognize that. Political correctness says that you're not supposed to recognize this, but it just happens to be the truth. Every story, you see it over and over again, Muslim extremists blew up tr
Formerly MHG
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The problem is, he's smart enough to veil his threats towards others, so he can disavow them later. But it doesn't take more than 3 braincells to see the intention behind these remarks.[/QUOTE]

Even so, it's a long way from calling something an evil religion and advocating the slaughter of millions.

Robertson's comments are modern-day nativism, not genocidal.
DJ's the man we love the most
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
The problem is, he's smart enough to veil his threats towards others, so he can disavow them later. But it doesn't take more than 3 braincells to see the intention behind these remarks.[/QUOTE]

Even so, it's a long way from calling something an evil religion and advocating the slaughter of millions.

Robertson's comments are modern-day nativism, not genocidal.
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Except that it was pointed out earlier in the thread that he agreed with Falwell, who advocated the slaughter of muslims. By aggreeing, he's advocating the same thing.
Formerly MHG
My grandmother is into Robertson and she watches his show when we visit her. He does a lot of 'interpreting' the old testament. She tells me how the UN is a conspiracy for a 1 world government to prosecute christians. Now, she means well and feels it is her duty to God to do this but christ, if I would call anyone a fundamentalist christian, it would be Robertson.

I go to church every sunday and I believe in Jesus but both sides need to tone down; its wrong to criminalize christianity but its also not right for christianity to force itself on other people. Let everyone get to heaven their own way.
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