End all of the bickering? Heck no. As long as there are Sunni's and Shittes and their differing religious beliefs, there will always be bickering. (One could argue that as long as there is religion, there will be bickering everywhere). But a split would save the most lives.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME] (One could argue that as long as there is religion, there will be bickering everywhere). [/QUOTE]
I think you've encapsulated the world's main problem in one sentence.
I think you've encapsulated the world's main problem in one sentence.
I didn't exactly mean that everything would be okay, maybe I could have chosen better words...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME] (One could argue that as long as there is religion, there will be bickering everywhere). [/QUOTE]
I think you've encapsulated the world's main problem in one sentence.[/QUOTE]
It's not religion that's the problem. The true problem is human nature. The real thing to argue is that as long as there are differences in opinion, there will be bickering everywhere. Religion is but another of these differences in opinion.
I think you've encapsulated the world's main problem in one sentence.[/QUOTE]
It's not religion that's the problem. The true problem is human nature. The real thing to argue is that as long as there are differences in opinion, there will be bickering everywhere. Religion is but another of these differences in opinion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME] (One could argue that as long as there is religion, there will be bickering everywhere). [/QUOTE]
I think you've encapsulated the world's main problem in one sentence.[/QUOTE]
It's not religion that's the problem. The true problem is human nature. The real thing to argue is that as long as there are differences in opinion, there will be bickering everywhere. Religion is but another of these differences in opinion.[/QUOTE]
Good point. It just seems that religion causes the bloodies of conflicts: a war for land or terroitory ceases as soon as the goal is acheived (even if only to be replaced by another war for territory). But religious wars are the worst, because after you "conquer" the people you are fighting, you spend the next phase of the war either forcibly making them believe the way you do, or you kill them. Lots of needless bloodshed.
I think you've encapsulated the world's main problem in one sentence.[/QUOTE]
It's not religion that's the problem. The true problem is human nature. The real thing to argue is that as long as there are differences in opinion, there will be bickering everywhere. Religion is but another of these differences in opinion.[/QUOTE]
Good point. It just seems that religion causes the bloodies of conflicts: a war for land or terroitory ceases as soon as the goal is acheived (even if only to be replaced by another war for territory). But religious wars are the worst, because after you "conquer" the people you are fighting, you spend the next phase of the war either forcibly making them believe the way you do, or you kill them. Lots of needless bloodshed.
It's not a matter of religion... it's matter of tolerance and acceptance.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not religion that's the problem. The true problem is human nature. The real thing to argue is that as long as there are differences in opinion, there will be bickering everywhere. Religion is but another of these differences in opinion.[/QUOTE]
Name one other difference of opinion that has caused more death throughout history than religion.
Name one other difference of opinion that has caused more death throughout history than religion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not a matter of religion... it's matter of tolerance and acceptance. [/QUOTE]
It's a matter of control, and religion is the best way to control people. Their souls are at stake. Tell them they'll reach the promised land if only they... fill in the blank ...and they will. For salvation. If it means torturing people in the name of whatever God they happen to believe in, then that's what they'll do, that's what they've done (through the centuries) and that's what they'll continue to do.
IMO, religion - and how some in power manipulate it - is the greatest hatemonger in the world.
It's a matter of control, and religion is the best way to control people. Their souls are at stake. Tell them they'll reach the promised land if only they... fill in the blank ...and they will. For salvation. If it means torturing people in the name of whatever God they happen to believe in, then that's what they'll do, that's what they've done (through the centuries) and that's what they'll continue to do.
IMO, religion - and how some in power manipulate it - is the greatest hatemonger in the world.
But one thing that I think is strange, is that there seems to be no such thing as a Christian fanatic group with a goal to kill/destroy/punish/whatever...fill in blank.... in the Muslim world?
You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world, but it seems to be a rather common thing in muslim countries for their religious leaders and other fanatics to appear on television promoting holy wars against the west.
Now why is that? Ah, yes, we imprison our fanatics, while Islamic nations really don't lift a finger...
Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?
You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world, but it seems to be a rather common thing in muslim countries for their religious leaders and other fanatics to appear on television promoting holy wars against the west.
Now why is that? Ah, yes, we imprison our fanatics, while Islamic nations really don't lift a finger...
Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world,
Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]
What about Dubya? He's a fanatic fundamentalist christian who seems to be doing a pretty good job of declaring war on the Muslim world.
You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world,
Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]
What about Dubya? He's a fanatic fundamentalist christian who seems to be doing a pretty good job of declaring war on the Muslim world.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not a matter of religion... it's matter of tolerance and acceptance. [/QUOTE]
It's a matter of control, and religion is the best way to control people. Their souls are at stake. Tell them they'll reach the promised land if only they... fill in the blank ...and they will. For salvation. If it means torturing people in the name of whatever God they happen to believe in, then that's what they'll do, that's what they've done (through the centuries) and that's what they'll continue to do.
Absolutely. To quote the best comidian in the world, Mr. George Carlin:
If you look back in history, God is one of the leading causes of death!
Or this one from George:
It usually goes like this. Do you believe in God?
-No
*shooting sound* Dead.
Do you believe in God?
-Yes
Do you believe in My God?
-No
*shooting sound* Dead. My God has a bigger d**k than your God!
IMO, religion - and how some in power manipulate it - is the greatest hatemonger in the world.[/QUOTE]
It's a matter of control, and religion is the best way to control people. Their souls are at stake. Tell them they'll reach the promised land if only they... fill in the blank ...and they will. For salvation. If it means torturing people in the name of whatever God they happen to believe in, then that's what they'll do, that's what they've done (through the centuries) and that's what they'll continue to do.
Absolutely. To quote the best comidian in the world, Mr. George Carlin:
If you look back in history, God is one of the leading causes of death!
Or this one from George:
It usually goes like this. Do you believe in God?
-No
*shooting sound* Dead.
Do you believe in God?
-Yes
Do you believe in My God?
-No
*shooting sound* Dead. My God has a bigger d**k than your God!
IMO, religion - and how some in power manipulate it - is the greatest hatemonger in the world.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]great king rat 1138 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world,
Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]
What about Dubya? He's a fanatic fundamentalist christian who seems to be doing a pretty good job of declaring war on the Muslim world.[/QUOTE]
Bush is the leader of a nation, a president.
It's not what I meant.
You never see Christian fanatics on television declaring war on the Muslim world,
Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong?[/QUOTE]
What about Dubya? He's a fanatic fundamentalist christian who seems to be doing a pretty good job of declaring war on the Muslim world.[/QUOTE]
Bush is the leader of a nation, a president.
It's not what I meant.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But one thing that I think is strange, is that there seems to be no such thing as a Christian fanatic group with a goal to kill/destroy/punish/whatever...fill in blank.... in the Muslim world?
...Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong? [/QUOTE]
I give you... the Crusades.
History shows religion to be the greatest 'cause'. For too many it is worth dying for. For too many it's worth killing for.
...Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong? [/QUOTE]
I give you... the Crusades.
History shows religion to be the greatest 'cause'. For too many it is worth dying for. For too many it's worth killing for.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But one thing that I think is strange, is that there seems to be no such thing as a Christian fanatic group with a goal to kill/destroy/punish/whatever...fill in blank.... in the Muslim world?
...Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong? [/QUOTE]
I give you... the Crusades.
History shows religion to be the greatest 'cause'. For too many it is worth dying for. For too many it's worth killing for. [/QUOTE]
Since when did we start talking about the Middle Ages? I was talking about the situation today, in 2006.
To put it simple: Aren't Muslim countries allowing their fanatics greater liberties than we in the West allow our counterparts?
How come? Do they want a worldwide religious war, or something? Would they have anything to gain?
...Now, can I have a volunteer to tell me I got it all wrong? [/QUOTE]
I give you... the Crusades.
History shows religion to be the greatest 'cause'. For too many it is worth dying for. For too many it's worth killing for. [/QUOTE]
Since when did we start talking about the Middle Ages? I was talking about the situation today, in 2006.
To put it simple: Aren't Muslim countries allowing their fanatics greater liberties than we in the West allow our counterparts?
How come? Do they want a worldwide religious war, or something? Would they have anything to gain?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Since when did we start talking about the Middle Ages? I was talking about the situation today, in 2006.
[/QUOTE]
Since you referenced my post (...fill in the blanks...) which said "through the centuries". And to understand or deal with issues today, we have to understand the past. History repeats itself and all that.
Since when did we start talking about the Middle Ages? I was talking about the situation today, in 2006.
[/QUOTE]
Since you referenced my post (...fill in the blanks...) which said "through the centuries". And to understand or deal with issues today, we have to understand the past. History repeats itself and all that.