I dont know where we're all getting this war from
Last war that we declared was in 1941
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I dont know where we're all getting this war from
Last war that we declared was in 1941[/QUOTE]
War is much more than a legal term, I'll have you know.
Last war that we declared was in 1941[/QUOTE]
War is much more than a legal term, I'll have you know.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I dont know where we're all getting this war from
Last war that we declared was in 1941[/QUOTE]
War is much more than a legal term, I'll have you know.[/QUOTE]
It is not a war until Congress declares it a war
Last war that we declared was in 1941[/QUOTE]
War is much more than a legal term, I'll have you know.[/QUOTE]
It is not a war until Congress declares it a war
Quite worrying really.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The Artist Formerly Known As Paul JR wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I dont know where we're all getting this war from
Last war that we declared was in 1941[/QUOTE]
War is much more than a legal term, I'll have you know.[/QUOTE]
It is not a war until Congress declares it a war[/QUOTE]
That's not true. Of course, there is a formal protocol for a legal war, but it is not necessary to follow this to engage in a war in the general sense. The legal term for war is quite restrictive and obviously does not cover all wars.
Last war that we declared was in 1941[/QUOTE]
War is much more than a legal term, I'll have you know.[/QUOTE]
It is not a war until Congress declares it a war[/QUOTE]
That's not true. Of course, there is a formal protocol for a legal war, but it is not necessary to follow this to engage in a war in the general sense. The legal term for war is quite restrictive and obviously does not cover all wars.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haystacks Calhounski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haystacks Calhounski wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Take the blinders off, folks.....
We have been in the middle of WWIII since 9/12/2001. Thankfully, we have leaders that, regardless of public opinion, realize what is at stake, and have put us in prime position to be ready for the next step in this war.
Don't kid yourselves, people. The War in Iraq is just a battle in the broader war that is still in its infancy. Take a good look at what is happening.
It is going to be a very, very long time before it gets better. How anyone can not see this is simply mind-blowing.
Also, I have been BOWLED over at the response from the radicals on this, just filling the airways with their rebuking of the suicide bombers-to-be.
Pretty soon, you'll have the New York Times running front page stories about how Britain trampled on the rights of the would be bombers.
Sadly, though, the liberal wing around the world keeps singing the same old song and dance. What will it take for them to remove the blinders?????[/QUOTE]
Let's see what the conservative/right wing has to offer to make the world a better place?... the same as the radical left... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Has Iraq made the world a safer place?... NO
Why is Osama Bin Laden still on the run?... GOD KNOWS WHY!
Are we safer now than since September 11th?... Obviously not, and chances are the things will get nothing but worse.
Instead of making things worse overseas, why not spend more time tackling terrorist cells within our borders? It is well known that there are hundreds of Al-Qaeda cells worldwide. Why not make a plead of cooperation with other nations to find them, instead of bombing a village where there are potential terrorists, but end up killing more civilians along the way.
Our Middle East policy has done nothing but to provoke radicals even more, and at the same time make more Middle Easterns hold much more hatred against us than they had before.
Think for once about the thousands of children who have been victims and witnesses of the mayhem caused in Iraq. Right there we have tons of kids who hold so much hatred in their hearts that they are very likely to grow up to become terrorists.
Is it justified?... Of course not, but neither was our response by starting a pre-emptive attack on a nation that had nothing to be with 9/11.
Sorry but your post above seems quite blind from reality and significantly ignorant.[/QUOTE]
So, in your mind, we are NOT in the middle of WWIII?
I think that is the biggest problem of those on the left, who wish to play partisan politics out of Iraq. Have there been mistakes, sure. You have them in every war. But the constant drumbeat of the radical left, both in this country, and abroad, they DO have the "We Hate Bush" blinderson to the reality of what it happening in the Middle East.
Your blather above is the same blather that the left has been bleating for years now. [/QUOTE]
Then show me what the right has done to make things better since 9/11?
...and btw, what you call WWIII did not start with 9/11. It goes as far back as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in 1948 and the foreign policy applied by the US in the following decades.
Things have gotten nothing but worse ever since, and 9/11 just pushed thing even further.
We have been in the middle of WWIII since 9/12/2001. Thankfully, we have leaders that, regardless of public opinion, realize what is at stake, and have put us in prime position to be ready for the next step in this war.
Don't kid yourselves, people. The War in Iraq is just a battle in the broader war that is still in its infancy. Take a good look at what is happening.
It is going to be a very, very long time before it gets better. How anyone can not see this is simply mind-blowing.
Also, I have been BOWLED over at the response from the radicals on this, just filling the airways with their rebuking of the suicide bombers-to-be.
Pretty soon, you'll have the New York Times running front page stories about how Britain trampled on the rights of the would be bombers.
Sadly, though, the liberal wing around the world keeps singing the same old song and dance. What will it take for them to remove the blinders?????[/QUOTE]
Let's see what the conservative/right wing has to offer to make the world a better place?... the same as the radical left... ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!
Has Iraq made the world a safer place?... NO
Why is Osama Bin Laden still on the run?... GOD KNOWS WHY!
Are we safer now than since September 11th?... Obviously not, and chances are the things will get nothing but worse.
Instead of making things worse overseas, why not spend more time tackling terrorist cells within our borders? It is well known that there are hundreds of Al-Qaeda cells worldwide. Why not make a plead of cooperation with other nations to find them, instead of bombing a village where there are potential terrorists, but end up killing more civilians along the way.
Our Middle East policy has done nothing but to provoke radicals even more, and at the same time make more Middle Easterns hold much more hatred against us than they had before.
Think for once about the thousands of children who have been victims and witnesses of the mayhem caused in Iraq. Right there we have tons of kids who hold so much hatred in their hearts that they are very likely to grow up to become terrorists.
Is it justified?... Of course not, but neither was our response by starting a pre-emptive attack on a nation that had nothing to be with 9/11.
Sorry but your post above seems quite blind from reality and significantly ignorant.[/QUOTE]
So, in your mind, we are NOT in the middle of WWIII?
I think that is the biggest problem of those on the left, who wish to play partisan politics out of Iraq. Have there been mistakes, sure. You have them in every war. But the constant drumbeat of the radical left, both in this country, and abroad, they DO have the "We Hate Bush" blinderson to the reality of what it happening in the Middle East.
Your blather above is the same blather that the left has been bleating for years now. [/QUOTE]
Then show me what the right has done to make things better since 9/11?
...and btw, what you call WWIII did not start with 9/11. It goes as far back as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in 1948 and the foreign policy applied by the US in the following decades.
Things have gotten nothing but worse ever since, and 9/11 just pushed thing even further.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...and btw, what you call WWIII did not start with 9/11. It goes as far back as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in 1948 and the foreign policy applied by the US in the following decades.
Things have gotten nothing but worse ever since, and 9/11 just pushed thing even further. [/QUOTE]
And the war in Iraq has pushed things further still.
...and btw, what you call WWIII did not start with 9/11. It goes as far back as the Israeli/Palestinian conflict in 1948 and the foreign policy applied by the US in the following decades.
Things have gotten nothing but worse ever since, and 9/11 just pushed thing even further. [/QUOTE]
And the war in Iraq has pushed things further still.
A strong point I would like to emphasize is that NOBODY IS MAKING ANYTHING ANY BETTER. In fact, it only exacerbates things when we have the left criticizing the right, and vice-versa. In the meantime, NO ONE IS PROVIDING A REASONABLE SOLUTION, they are merely bitching back and forth at each other. We're in a really sorry situation, that we are indeed.
Here are my points
1. If this was a war, we could turn that place into a massive glass tile in a matter of hours
2. Toppling Saddam wasnt the hard part, that took 3 weeks, this is about building a lasting democratic government in Iraq and trying to create peace between the 3 religious groups and trying to teach them toleration
Thats all I have to say
1. If this was a war, we could turn that place into a massive glass tile in a matter of hours
2. Toppling Saddam wasnt the hard part, that took 3 weeks, this is about building a lasting democratic government in Iraq and trying to create peace between the 3 religious groups and trying to teach them toleration
Thats all I have to say
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=666600>Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]A strong point I would like to emphasize is that NOBODY IS MAKING ANYTHING ANY BETTER. In fact, it only exacerbates things when we have the left criticizing the right, and vice-versa. In the meantime, NO ONE IS PROVIDING A REASONABLE SOLUTION, they are merely bitching back and forth at each other. We're in a really sorry situation, that we are indeed.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, Music Man, you are exactly right.
Sadly, Music Man, you are exactly right.
A withdrawal from Iraq would be interesting. How many more shrines can the Sunnis and Shiites blow up in the name of Allah without American and British interference? The casualties will be even higher, as the Shiite and Sunni terrorists will continue to hide behind human shields as well as deliberately target civilians (just like Hamas and Hezballah). In hindsite, the withdrawal should have started this past February (while taking Saddam out of Iraq to assure he never returns to power) when a civil war was born from the temple bombing orgy.
Exactly. One thing that the US and UK forces haven't thought about is that the goal of creating "A United Iraq" may be a pipe dream. It's possible that the sides can't be united, and it would only be mass casualties on either side if they tried. Maybe Iraqi's would be better off if they split the country into three: one for the Kurds, one for the Shittes and one for the Sunnis.
Personally I dont think this Iraq business will ever end,it might ease down but will never be gone completely.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Exactly. One thing that the US and UK forces haven't thought about is that the goal of creating "A United Iraq" may be a pipe dream. It's possible that the sides can't be united, and it would only be mass casualties on either side if they tried. Maybe Iraqi's would be better off if they split the country into three: one for the Kurds, one for the Shittes and one for the Sunnis. [/QUOTE]
The Sunnis will never go for a split country as Saddam's rule made them believe they are entitled to oil wealth that rightfully belongs to the Shiites and Kurds.
The Sunnis will never go for a split country as Saddam's rule made them believe they are entitled to oil wealth that rightfully belongs to the Shiites and Kurds.
I think there must eventually be a split, it seems like the option that's going to save the most lives. It will also hopefully end all the bickering.