[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Don't worry... I have great faith that it'll be shared here in mpeg-1 format soon.
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Don't forget it was shared as a DVD on Queenzone first.[/QUOTE]
Interesting, before I posted my question, I did a search and nothing came up. Is the search bar working? I've been trying keywords on various concerts ie Hammersmith and nothing comes up for me. I never had problems before. Am I doing something wrong?
P.S. Thanks for making this available YV
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Share Ratios is the reason.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sithmarauder wrote: [/QUOTENAME]That won't be me that's for sure[/QUOTE]
I know. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Don't forget it was shared as a DVD on Queenzone first.[/QUOTE]
Yes, duly noted!
I know. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Don't forget it was shared as a DVD on Queenzone first.[/QUOTE]
Yes, duly noted!
To avoid all misunderstanding - here is the link to the original share
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=843686
No matter how much people like to diss the sharing site on QZ, we do have generous and wonderful people here who go to great length to share with other fans like paynee365, andy1962 or you, Sithmarauder, and many other people. Be sure it does not go unnoticed. It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :)
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=843686
No matter how much people like to diss the sharing site on QZ, we do have generous and wonderful people here who go to great length to share with other fans like paynee365, andy1962 or you, Sithmarauder, and many other people. Be sure it does not go unnoticed. It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]To avoid all misunderstanding - here is the link to the original share
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=843686
No matter how much people like to diss the sharing site on QZ, we do have generous and wonderful people here who go to great length to share with other fans like paynee365, andy1962 or you, Sithmarauder, and many other people. Be sure it does not go unnoticed. It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :)[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your kind words YV, but Ginger01 desrves more credit than I do. It's an inspiration to see how much Ginger helps out others.
I think the sharing on QZ is awsome, I don't mind downloading MPEG or MP3 at all. I'm just happy to be able to listen to these great shows. I just would not take a true lossless file and convert it. I know what trouble it take's someone to share a full un compressed file and if they don't want it converted, I'll respect it.
BTW now that you provided Paynee365's link, I remember it. he went through a lot of pain (pun intended) to post those files. Un fortunately, I don't use Rapidshare.
I still have the search bar issue here on QZ. It doesn't work for me.
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=843686
No matter how much people like to diss the sharing site on QZ, we do have generous and wonderful people here who go to great length to share with other fans like paynee365, andy1962 or you, Sithmarauder, and many other people. Be sure it does not go unnoticed. It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :)[/QUOTE]
Thank you for your kind words YV, but Ginger01 desrves more credit than I do. It's an inspiration to see how much Ginger helps out others.
I think the sharing on QZ is awsome, I don't mind downloading MPEG or MP3 at all. I'm just happy to be able to listen to these great shows. I just would not take a true lossless file and convert it. I know what trouble it take's someone to share a full un compressed file and if they don't want it converted, I'll respect it.
BTW now that you provided Paynee365's link, I remember it. he went through a lot of pain (pun intended) to post those files. Un fortunately, I don't use Rapidshare.
I still have the search bar issue here on QZ. It doesn't work for me.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's funny that the sharers are also those who never complain :)[/QUOTE]
But what does that have to do with anything? If someone shares something, of course they're not going to complain, no matter what kind of quality it is. If they have no quality standards, then they'll believe they've done something great for everyone. Of course they're quite mistaken in thinking that, as they obviously don't see the side effects, probably because they're not experienced in the wider world of collecting.
If someone shares a fantastic DVD in top quality, they are happy, and so are people with high quality standards. But if someone shares a concert in mp3, they are happy to have shared it, but someone with quality standards, like myself, sees the deeper problems it entails. I and many others see the deeper issues. It's not my fault that the majority of people who share things here don't see it. I'm just the messenger, and I'm telling it like it is.
Barbara, you have observed the way thinks work here at Queenzone, but this is not the way it works anywhere else. I have never seen another website with such low quality standards as this one. I can't believe so few people here care, and fail to see and accept the negatives of the situation as I've outlined here:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=886679
If people share audio, they should be in FLAC only, unless there is no lossless source to be found. We need to teach people how to do a frequency analysis, so that they know they are sharing something in good quality. If someone feels their connection is too slow, then why should their problems force us to sacrifice quality standards to meet their needs? I had dial-up Internet for 10 years, and I lived with it. Virtually every other file sharing website has standards, and this one should be no different, especially since it is visited by so many people. As Queen fans become educated with how to take care of their recordings, then the poor recordings will clear up, and we will start to build a good reputation in the wider collecting world. And maybe then, a few collectors with new recordings won't feel afraid to share a gem that's been sitting in their basement for 20 years, because they will be confident that its quality will be maintained. We have a very long way to go until then.
But what does that have to do with anything? If someone shares something, of course they're not going to complain, no matter what kind of quality it is. If they have no quality standards, then they'll believe they've done something great for everyone. Of course they're quite mistaken in thinking that, as they obviously don't see the side effects, probably because they're not experienced in the wider world of collecting.
If someone shares a fantastic DVD in top quality, they are happy, and so are people with high quality standards. But if someone shares a concert in mp3, they are happy to have shared it, but someone with quality standards, like myself, sees the deeper problems it entails. I and many others see the deeper issues. It's not my fault that the majority of people who share things here don't see it. I'm just the messenger, and I'm telling it like it is.
Barbara, you have observed the way thinks work here at Queenzone, but this is not the way it works anywhere else. I have never seen another website with such low quality standards as this one. I can't believe so few people here care, and fail to see and accept the negatives of the situation as I've outlined here:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=886679
If people share audio, they should be in FLAC only, unless there is no lossless source to be found. We need to teach people how to do a frequency analysis, so that they know they are sharing something in good quality. If someone feels their connection is too slow, then why should their problems force us to sacrifice quality standards to meet their needs? I had dial-up Internet for 10 years, and I lived with it. Virtually every other file sharing website has standards, and this one should be no different, especially since it is visited by so many people. As Queen fans become educated with how to take care of their recordings, then the poor recordings will clear up, and we will start to build a good reputation in the wider collecting world. And maybe then, a few collectors with new recordings won't feel afraid to share a gem that's been sitting in their basement for 20 years, because they will be confident that its quality will be maintained. We have a very long way to go until then.
I admit that when I first joined QZ, it didn't matter to me if I downloaded FLAC and converted to MP3 (which I did on 2 occassions). But as I learned more about lossless files and the impact MP3s have in the trading world I stopped converting and mainly share FLAC. I believe Sir GH is correct in suggesting that the integrity of the Queen trading community is diminishing because people are passing on compressed files as lossless.
I would like to believe that this is due to lack of knowledge rather than people trying to knowingly cheat others by falsely advertising their recordings as true lossless recordings.
It seems that there's no definitive resolve to this problem. On one hand there's the issue with trading and on the other hand there is the issue of pleasing the majority here in QZ who prefer MP3 files. In a perfect world the, people who share MP3s would keep the MP3s out of the trade community. We need to understand that sharing MP3s can do more damage to the trading community than flac files can do to QZ.
Queenzone needs to add a thread explaining what FLAC files are and what the adverse affects are when files are converted to MP3 and back to FLAC or any other lossless file. I don't think we need to become rocket scientists, just knowledgeable enough to respect each others concerns.
I would like to believe that this is due to lack of knowledge rather than people trying to knowingly cheat others by falsely advertising their recordings as true lossless recordings.
It seems that there's no definitive resolve to this problem. On one hand there's the issue with trading and on the other hand there is the issue of pleasing the majority here in QZ who prefer MP3 files. In a perfect world the, people who share MP3s would keep the MP3s out of the trade community. We need to understand that sharing MP3s can do more damage to the trading community than flac files can do to QZ.
Queenzone needs to add a thread explaining what FLAC files are and what the adverse affects are when files are converted to MP3 and back to FLAC or any other lossless file. I don't think we need to become rocket scientists, just knowledgeable enough to respect each others concerns.
I do see the benefits of posting lossless recordings, but since queen concerts were recorded 20 years or more ago on prehistoric analogue tapes - what does it matter if it has been MP3'ed? Some of the outstanding concerts like hammersmith 75 etc need lossless - but really, how many times have you listened to bingley hall in 78? Do all concerts need recording in such an unnecessary high quality?
I really do envy those who get upset about listening to concerts that have slightly poorer quality than normal - you must have supersonic hearing!
I am a die-hard fan, i want every recording made by queen, and i want it now! It does not make me any less of a fan by cramming my hard drive full of mp3s.
My appreciation goes out to everyone who takes their time to share any material by queen - in whatever quality they can find. If i dont like the look of it - i wont download it.
Anyway - thanks for sharing!! :)
I really do envy those who get upset about listening to concerts that have slightly poorer quality than normal - you must have supersonic hearing!
I am a die-hard fan, i want every recording made by queen, and i want it now! It does not make me any less of a fan by cramming my hard drive full of mp3s.
My appreciation goes out to everyone who takes their time to share any material by queen - in whatever quality they can find. If i dont like the look of it - i wont download it.
Anyway - thanks for sharing!! :)
You are right about Ginger01, Sithmarauder :)
@ Sir Bob: I don't know how to solve this. Queenzone is not a filesharing website, it's a Queen website with a sharing forum. It cannot be compared with DAD or tradersden.
@ Sir Bob: I don't know how to solve this. Queenzone is not a filesharing website, it's a Queen website with a sharing forum. It cannot be compared with DAD or tradersden.
Agreed with barb. But we have been here before there was any sharing section on Queenzone.
In the beginning people shared shome MP3's, which was fine.
But over time it has become pretty clear what the side-effects are of mp3's. People even started new websites for sharing Queen to keep everything seperated. Contramovement is that the amount of lossy formates being shared in here has gone up.
Logically.
Similar sites to Queenzone all have taken action on this. (Eg, I visit some Tool, Zappa sites for instance which all did an active boycot on mp3. Whenever I am on those websites I realy feel sorry for Queenzone. 'We' don't give a shit about quality - while on those other sites quality is their strong point - which DEFINATELY also shows, as a result, in the quality of people that visit and the quality of their discussions!!
ALSO as a result, expecially on that Tool website logically as they are still touring actively, is that more people appreciate bootlegs, take better care of the preservation of them AND get more motivated to create them themselves AND help eachother actively in making sure everybody comes up with the best possible results from a bootleg recording!!
In a way that website has become more like a taping-collective (HIGH QUALITY taping-collective!) more then a sharing-the-music-community.
(Though I have to admit that in general Tool and Frank Zappa attract a much much more 'intellectual' audience to begin with... They are having the exact same discussions -the serious ones- as we have, but their is SUCH a significant difference in how they approach the exact same problems. Problems with trading, with sharing, the NOT-sharing of specific items (!)... everything we in here have discussions about as well)
Actually the BAND-wensites that share mp3's are very very few. Websites that focus on a particular band and their collectors all have gone over to torrents, or lossless anyway.
If you want to share mp3's - leave them to the p2p sharing programms where every 'moderate' musicfan can download 'moderate' quality stuff by every artist.
But QZ is a specialised BAND-website, which you'd expect to have a higher standard for appreciation of the band.
Solution is very easy: do as so many websites have done before us, including the more serious trading-websites like Dime: DON'T ALLOW MP3 TO BE SHARED. It should be like this: If you want to share/download mp3 you go somewhere else. If you are looking for QUALITY you come to Queenzone.
It's a snowballing mentality thing.
If all of us cared about quality more it would surely benefit the quality of the whole website!
In the beginning people shared shome MP3's, which was fine.
But over time it has become pretty clear what the side-effects are of mp3's. People even started new websites for sharing Queen to keep everything seperated. Contramovement is that the amount of lossy formates being shared in here has gone up.
Logically.
Similar sites to Queenzone all have taken action on this. (Eg, I visit some Tool, Zappa sites for instance which all did an active boycot on mp3. Whenever I am on those websites I realy feel sorry for Queenzone. 'We' don't give a shit about quality - while on those other sites quality is their strong point - which DEFINATELY also shows, as a result, in the quality of people that visit and the quality of their discussions!!
ALSO as a result, expecially on that Tool website logically as they are still touring actively, is that more people appreciate bootlegs, take better care of the preservation of them AND get more motivated to create them themselves AND help eachother actively in making sure everybody comes up with the best possible results from a bootleg recording!!
In a way that website has become more like a taping-collective (HIGH QUALITY taping-collective!) more then a sharing-the-music-community.
(Though I have to admit that in general Tool and Frank Zappa attract a much much more 'intellectual' audience to begin with... They are having the exact same discussions -the serious ones- as we have, but their is SUCH a significant difference in how they approach the exact same problems. Problems with trading, with sharing, the NOT-sharing of specific items (!)... everything we in here have discussions about as well)
Actually the BAND-wensites that share mp3's are very very few. Websites that focus on a particular band and their collectors all have gone over to torrents, or lossless anyway.
If you want to share mp3's - leave them to the p2p sharing programms where every 'moderate' musicfan can download 'moderate' quality stuff by every artist.
But QZ is a specialised BAND-website, which you'd expect to have a higher standard for appreciation of the band.
Solution is very easy: do as so many websites have done before us, including the more serious trading-websites like Dime: DON'T ALLOW MP3 TO BE SHARED. It should be like this: If you want to share/download mp3 you go somewhere else. If you are looking for QUALITY you come to Queenzone.
It's a snowballing mentality thing.
If all of us cared about quality more it would surely benefit the quality of the whole website!
One thing I forgot to point out is, the MP3s had to come from somewhere, I have to believe that there are some who call themselves traders who obtain the Lossless copy, convert it and share it here at QZ. Queenzoners only get what's shared here. Are the traders here in QZ saying that all the concerts that they made available here were originally shared as FLAC and careless QZers converted them to MP3? or was it selfish traders who wanted to keep their trading leverage by only sharing MP3s? I have to believe it's a little of both. I don't recall LEEDS 82 being shared as FLAC here. Maybe it was but I didn't get it so I was forced to take what I could get just to be able to hear that great show. There are a lot of newbies here that missed out on the original shares, and when they do a request, they either go ignored, or only MP3s are made available.
If someone puts up a request and I have it, I load it.
I admit, there are QZers here that don't want FLAC and ask for MP3. I believe that if they were more educated in how to use FLAC and convert for private use, FLAC won't be an issue. I have to beleive that if only FLAC was allowed here, it would force those who are not familiar with it to learn about it.
If someone puts up a request and I have it, I load it.
I admit, there are QZers here that don't want FLAC and ask for MP3. I believe that if they were more educated in how to use FLAC and convert for private use, FLAC won't be an issue. I have to beleive that if only FLAC was allowed here, it would force those who are not familiar with it to learn about it.
Unfortunatley the intellect in here is SO low that they cannot even understand how to convert FLAC to whatever format they want.
I tell people to get db power amp, which converts everything to anything, ans is the easiest thing ever to work with. Right-click on the file, Simply chose 'convert to' and you're done. And all they say is "didn't work - please send me MP3".
I mean COME ON! I am the world greatest nitwit when it comes to computers. I REALY am! Ask Barb ;-) but even *I* understand this...
Sjees - I even found out how to use torrents MYSELF! If I can do it - sure anybody can, especially when there are so many helping hands on board as on QZ... If people just would use one single braincell for a change...
STOP THE STUPIDITY
VOTE FOR QUALITY
Spread the word! ;-)
I tell people to get db power amp, which converts everything to anything, ans is the easiest thing ever to work with. Right-click on the file, Simply chose 'convert to' and you're done. And all they say is "didn't work - please send me MP3".
I mean COME ON! I am the world greatest nitwit when it comes to computers. I REALY am! Ask Barb ;-) but even *I* understand this...
Sjees - I even found out how to use torrents MYSELF! If I can do it - sure anybody can, especially when there are so many helping hands on board as on QZ... If people just would use one single braincell for a change...
STOP THE STUPIDITY
VOTE FOR QUALITY
Spread the word! ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You are right about Ginger01, Sithmarauder :)
@ Sir Bob: I don't know how to solve this. Queenzone is not a filesharing website, it's a Queen website with a sharing forum. It cannot be compared with DAD or tradersden. [/QUOTE]
You are the only person in the world who calls me Sir Bob... I love it!
The above few posts said everything I wanted to say.
Jeroen for president!!!!!
@ Sir Bob: I don't know how to solve this. Queenzone is not a filesharing website, it's a Queen website with a sharing forum. It cannot be compared with DAD or tradersden. [/QUOTE]
You are the only person in the world who calls me Sir Bob... I love it!
The above few posts said everything I wanted to say.
Jeroen for president!!!!!
The problem is NOT the sharing of mp3's ... it is the conversion of mp3 back to a lossless format. Nowadays, many CD players can play mp3's so there is really no reason to convert from a lossy to a lossless format.
Many people listen to mp3's on iPods. I listen to mp3's in my car where audiophile quality is superfluous. I do not appreciate a vocal minority demanding that mp3 files not be shared on Queenzone.
Somehow, the censorship of mp3 sharing by a vocal intolerant few does not sound like Queenzone to me.
Maybe the real solution is greater use of a spectral analyzer to filter out lossy conversions and blacklisting repeat offenders.
Many people listen to mp3's on iPods. I listen to mp3's in my car where audiophile quality is superfluous. I do not appreciate a vocal minority demanding that mp3 files not be shared on Queenzone.
Somehow, the censorship of mp3 sharing by a vocal intolerant few does not sound like Queenzone to me.
Maybe the real solution is greater use of a spectral analyzer to filter out lossy conversions and blacklisting repeat offenders.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mike Van wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The problem is NOT the sharing of mp3's ... it is the conversion of mp3 back to a lossless format. Nowadays, many CD players can play mp3's so there is really no reason to convert from a lossy to a lossless format.
Many people listen to mp3's on iPods. I listen to mp3's in my car where audiophile quality is superfluous. I do not appreciate a vocal minority demanding that mp3 files not be shared on Queenzone.
Somehow, the censorship of mp3 sharing by a vocal intolerant few does not sound like Queenzone to me.
Maybe the real solution is greater use of a spectral analyzer to filter out lossy conversions and blacklisting repeat offenders.
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Well like Sir Bob ( I had to use that name once)mentioned, if QZ continues to have the attitude about MP3 then the traders will be more hesitant to share rare shows that haven't been made available such as Drammen. I'm no trader but I can understand why. I don't see why it's an issue to DL FLAC and convert to MP3 for private us. It's real simple and the best solution. I'm sure if QZ became like Dime people will learn more about FLAC real quick.
Many people listen to mp3's on iPods. I listen to mp3's in my car where audiophile quality is superfluous. I do not appreciate a vocal minority demanding that mp3 files not be shared on Queenzone.
Somehow, the censorship of mp3 sharing by a vocal intolerant few does not sound like Queenzone to me.
Maybe the real solution is greater use of a spectral analyzer to filter out lossy conversions and blacklisting repeat offenders.
[/QUOTE]
Well like Sir Bob ( I had to use that name once)mentioned, if QZ continues to have the attitude about MP3 then the traders will be more hesitant to share rare shows that haven't been made available such as Drammen. I'm no trader but I can understand why. I don't see why it's an issue to DL FLAC and convert to MP3 for private us. It's real simple and the best solution. I'm sure if QZ became like Dime people will learn more about FLAC real quick.