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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You name mainly vocal jazz there, from which Dinah Washington, Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday are missing, IMHO. If you like the instrumental work as well, it all depends on taste:
If you're all for the 'laid-back' style, I recommend Chet Baker, Stan Getz, Lester Young, Lee Konitz and, a little older, the big-bands of Lionel Hampton and Count Basie. In addition, you could try Donald Byrd and Horace Silver.
For a more energetic type of jazz, you would be more interested in Art Blakey (& The Jazz Messengers), Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis' 1950s work, Dexter Gordon (very good idea), Sonny Rollins, Max Roach, Sonny Stitt, Bud Powell. John Coltrane's work up to "A Love Supreme" would go here as well.
Then, if you are ready for a bit of a challenge, and would like to try some of the more experimental jazz (mostly energetic, but sometimes really laid-back as well), try Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Eric Dolphy, Jaki Byard (a little obscure, though).
For the really experimental stuff (I wouldn't START here, but gently work towards it), you could try John Coltrane's work from "Meditations" onwards, Don Cherry, Archie Shepp, Bill Dixon, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Don Pullen
It's all a matter of taste. Most swing is easily accessible, by the way, if you are looking for something which is decent music, but doesn't require too much work. Duke Ellington is a fine example (one of the most technically competent arrangers and composers of his day).[/QUOTE]
Wow, you know a lot about jazz Thomas!
Actually Bessie Smith was a blues singer, but classic blues (in the 1920's) sounded so close to jazz (at least to me) that it was hard to tell the difference...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_Smith
Dinah Washington was actually both blues and jazz...etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah_Washington
Do you (or anybody on here like Peggy Lee, or Sarah Vaughan?)
If you're all for the 'laid-back' style, I recommend Chet Baker, Stan Getz, Lester Young, Lee Konitz and, a little older, the big-bands of Lionel Hampton and Count Basie. In addition, you could try Donald Byrd and Horace Silver.
For a more energetic type of jazz, you would be more interested in Art Blakey (& The Jazz Messengers), Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis' 1950s work, Dexter Gordon (very good idea), Sonny Rollins, Max Roach, Sonny Stitt, Bud Powell. John Coltrane's work up to "A Love Supreme" would go here as well.
Then, if you are ready for a bit of a challenge, and would like to try some of the more experimental jazz (mostly energetic, but sometimes really laid-back as well), try Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Eric Dolphy, Jaki Byard (a little obscure, though).
For the really experimental stuff (I wouldn't START here, but gently work towards it), you could try John Coltrane's work from "Meditations" onwards, Don Cherry, Archie Shepp, Bill Dixon, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Don Pullen
It's all a matter of taste. Most swing is easily accessible, by the way, if you are looking for something which is decent music, but doesn't require too much work. Duke Ellington is a fine example (one of the most technically competent arrangers and composers of his day).[/QUOTE]
Wow, you know a lot about jazz Thomas!
Actually Bessie Smith was a blues singer, but classic blues (in the 1920's) sounded so close to jazz (at least to me) that it was hard to tell the difference...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_Smith
Dinah Washington was actually both blues and jazz...etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah_Washington
Do you (or anybody on here like Peggy Lee, or Sarah Vaughan?)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]eh stupido wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well like I said during the Freddie happy birthday threads and will do for the upcoming posts that celebrate birthdays of dead people:
"He's dead, so not really having a birthday at the moment."
There's no point in celebrating a dead man or woman's birthday. period.[/QUOTE]
There's no point in celebrating a *living* person's birthday, by your own standards. Our day of birth is something over 90% of us probably don't even remember *at all*.
Let me explain the reasoning (however flawed) behind birthday celebrations:
The thing is - each year, as the 'anniversary' so-called passes by, one might feel inclined to reminisce about what good times they've had with a person. They organise a social gathering, in some cases, with appropriate food and drink on standby in case anyone gets bored of the jazz on the stereo (as if!).
A time of reflection, you might call it - they look back on their lives, their achievements, and the people they associate with use it as a chance to socialise.
Now in the case of someone who is dead, I still think it's appropriate to at least ACKNOWLEDGE the date of their birth (or death) as it gives you a chance to indulge in the good things they did, remember the fun times you had with them (or in the case of Jesus or Coltrane - you get to remember the fun times you had because of their influence on your life). The reasoning is still there... just because the guest of honour croaked sometime previously makes no-never-mind to me.
Keep in mind, more often than not a birthday party is an indulgence of the people who *know* the person who's getting older; more a sign of their appreciation of said person. Since so many of Coltrane's fans are still alive; I think his birthday would be *MORE* than an appropriate time to celebrate his works!
But that's just me, obviously.
"He's dead, so not really having a birthday at the moment."
There's no point in celebrating a dead man or woman's birthday. period.[/QUOTE]
There's no point in celebrating a *living* person's birthday, by your own standards. Our day of birth is something over 90% of us probably don't even remember *at all*.
Let me explain the reasoning (however flawed) behind birthday celebrations:
The thing is - each year, as the 'anniversary' so-called passes by, one might feel inclined to reminisce about what good times they've had with a person. They organise a social gathering, in some cases, with appropriate food and drink on standby in case anyone gets bored of the jazz on the stereo (as if!).
A time of reflection, you might call it - they look back on their lives, their achievements, and the people they associate with use it as a chance to socialise.
Now in the case of someone who is dead, I still think it's appropriate to at least ACKNOWLEDGE the date of their birth (or death) as it gives you a chance to indulge in the good things they did, remember the fun times you had with them (or in the case of Jesus or Coltrane - you get to remember the fun times you had because of their influence on your life). The reasoning is still there... just because the guest of honour croaked sometime previously makes no-never-mind to me.
Keep in mind, more often than not a birthday party is an indulgence of the people who *know* the person who's getting older; more a sign of their appreciation of said person. Since so many of Coltrane's fans are still alive; I think his birthday would be *MORE* than an appropriate time to celebrate his works!
But that's just me, obviously.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=Aqua>Retro<font color=1>Love wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You name mainly vocal jazz there, from which Dinah Washington, Bessie Smith and Billie Holiday are missing, IMHO. If you like the instrumental work as well, it all depends on taste:
If you're all for the 'laid-back' style, I recommend Chet Baker, Stan Getz, Lester Young, Lee Konitz and, a little older, the big-bands of Lionel Hampton and Count Basie. In addition, you could try Donald Byrd and Horace Silver.
For a more energetic type of jazz, you would be more interested in Art Blakey (& The Jazz Messengers), Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis' 1950s work, Dexter Gordon (very good idea), Sonny Rollins, Max Roach, Sonny Stitt, Bud Powell. John Coltrane's work up to "A Love Supreme" would go here as well.
Then, if you are ready for a bit of a challenge, and would like to try some of the more experimental jazz (mostly energetic, but sometimes really laid-back as well), try Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Eric Dolphy, Jaki Byard (a little obscure, though).
For the really experimental stuff (I wouldn't START here, but gently work towards it), you could try John Coltrane's work from "Meditations" onwards, Don Cherry, Archie Shepp, Bill Dixon, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Don Pullen
It's all a matter of taste. Most swing is easily accessible, by the way, if you are looking for something which is decent music, but doesn't require too much work. Duke Ellington is a fine example (one of the most technically competent arrangers and composers of his day).[/QUOTE]
Wow, you know a lot about jazz Thomas!
Actually Bessie Smith was a blues singer, but classic blues (in the 1920's) sounded so close to jazz (at least to me) that it was hard to tell the difference...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_Smith
Dinah Washington was actually both blues and jazz...etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah_Washington
Do you (or anybody on here like Peggy Lee, or Sarah Vaughan?)
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You are right in that Bessie Smith was technically a blues-singer, but the line is often very fine. Blues is a kind of borderline-style; it is so wide it overlaps with nearly every kind of music. For instance, one could argue Johnny Winter, traditionally labeled electronic blues, as being either blues or hardrock. The same goes for jazz/blues. Most jazz-songs are based on either blues-progressions, or the chords of a popular non-jazz song. This makes that the treatment of a blues can make it into a jazz song, which was the case in for instance Cannonball Adderley's music, as well as Horace Silver, who also included gospel, and also Bessie Smith.
Peggy Lee was a very good singer, but her style was just not my cup of tea. Sarah Vaughan had a beatiful voice, and some great work, but also made some dramatically poor stuff, IMHO.
If you're all for the 'laid-back' style, I recommend Chet Baker, Stan Getz, Lester Young, Lee Konitz and, a little older, the big-bands of Lionel Hampton and Count Basie. In addition, you could try Donald Byrd and Horace Silver.
For a more energetic type of jazz, you would be more interested in Art Blakey (& The Jazz Messengers), Charlie Parker, Dizzy Gillespie, Miles Davis' 1950s work, Dexter Gordon (very good idea), Sonny Rollins, Max Roach, Sonny Stitt, Bud Powell. John Coltrane's work up to "A Love Supreme" would go here as well.
Then, if you are ready for a bit of a challenge, and would like to try some of the more experimental jazz (mostly energetic, but sometimes really laid-back as well), try Charles Mingus, Ornette Coleman, John Coltrane, Eric Dolphy, Jaki Byard (a little obscure, though).
For the really experimental stuff (I wouldn't START here, but gently work towards it), you could try John Coltrane's work from "Meditations" onwards, Don Cherry, Archie Shepp, Bill Dixon, Cecil Taylor, Sun Ra, Albert Ayler, Don Pullen
It's all a matter of taste. Most swing is easily accessible, by the way, if you are looking for something which is decent music, but doesn't require too much work. Duke Ellington is a fine example (one of the most technically competent arrangers and composers of his day).[/QUOTE]
Wow, you know a lot about jazz Thomas!
Actually Bessie Smith was a blues singer, but classic blues (in the 1920's) sounded so close to jazz (at least to me) that it was hard to tell the difference...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bessie_Smith
Dinah Washington was actually both blues and jazz...etc
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinah_Washington
Do you (or anybody on here like Peggy Lee, or Sarah Vaughan?)
[/QUOTE]
You are right in that Bessie Smith was technically a blues-singer, but the line is often very fine. Blues is a kind of borderline-style; it is so wide it overlaps with nearly every kind of music. For instance, one could argue Johnny Winter, traditionally labeled electronic blues, as being either blues or hardrock. The same goes for jazz/blues. Most jazz-songs are based on either blues-progressions, or the chords of a popular non-jazz song. This makes that the treatment of a blues can make it into a jazz song, which was the case in for instance Cannonball Adderley's music, as well as Horace Silver, who also included gospel, and also Bessie Smith.
Peggy Lee was a very good singer, but her style was just not my cup of tea. Sarah Vaughan had a beatiful voice, and some great work, but also made some dramatically poor stuff, IMHO.
Dinah Washington's "Smoke Gets In Your Eyes" = pure gold. I also like her duets with Brook Benton. Now those are a couple of smooth voices!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]eh stupido wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well like I said during the Freddie happy birthday threads and will do for the upcoming posts that celebrate birthdays of dead people:
"He's dead, so not really having a birthday at the moment."
There's no point in celebrating a dead man or woman's birthday. period.[/QUOTE]
There's no point in celebrating a *living* person's birthday, by your own standards. Our day of birth is something over 90% of us probably don't even remember *at all*.
Let me explain the reasoning (however flawed) behind birthday celebrations:
The thing is - each year, as the 'anniversary' so-called passes by, one might feel inclined to reminisce about what good times they've had with a person. They organise a social gathering, in some cases, with appropriate food and drink on standby in case anyone gets bored of the jazz on the stereo (as if!).
A time of reflection, you might call it - they look back on their lives, their achievements, and the people they associate with use it as a chance to socialise.
Now in the case of someone who is dead, I still think it's appropriate to at least ACKNOWLEDGE the date of their birth (or death) as it gives you a chance to indulge in the good things they did, remember the fun times you had with them (or in the case of Jesus or Coltrane - you get to remember the fun times you had because of their influence on your life). The reasoning is still there... just because the guest of honour croaked sometime previously makes no-never-mind to me.
Keep in mind, more often than not a birthday party is an indulgence of the people who *know* the person who's getting older; more a sign of their appreciation of said person. Since so many of Coltrane's fans are still alive; I think his birthday would be *MORE* than an appropriate time to celebrate his works!
But that's just me, obviously.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. My parents passed away..Mom in 1999, and Dad in 2000. And on their birthdays I make my way to the cemetary and lay flowers and wish them a happy birthday. I would never think of not doing so. They are still a part of my life (and always will be), and I think about them everyday.
"He's dead, so not really having a birthday at the moment."
There's no point in celebrating a dead man or woman's birthday. period.[/QUOTE]
There's no point in celebrating a *living* person's birthday, by your own standards. Our day of birth is something over 90% of us probably don't even remember *at all*.
Let me explain the reasoning (however flawed) behind birthday celebrations:
The thing is - each year, as the 'anniversary' so-called passes by, one might feel inclined to reminisce about what good times they've had with a person. They organise a social gathering, in some cases, with appropriate food and drink on standby in case anyone gets bored of the jazz on the stereo (as if!).
A time of reflection, you might call it - they look back on their lives, their achievements, and the people they associate with use it as a chance to socialise.
Now in the case of someone who is dead, I still think it's appropriate to at least ACKNOWLEDGE the date of their birth (or death) as it gives you a chance to indulge in the good things they did, remember the fun times you had with them (or in the case of Jesus or Coltrane - you get to remember the fun times you had because of their influence on your life). The reasoning is still there... just because the guest of honour croaked sometime previously makes no-never-mind to me.
Keep in mind, more often than not a birthday party is an indulgence of the people who *know* the person who's getting older; more a sign of their appreciation of said person. Since so many of Coltrane's fans are still alive; I think his birthday would be *MORE* than an appropriate time to celebrate his works!
But that's just me, obviously.[/QUOTE]
Totally agree. My parents passed away..Mom in 1999, and Dad in 2000. And on their birthdays I make my way to the cemetary and lay flowers and wish them a happy birthday. I would never think of not doing so. They are still a part of my life (and always will be), and I think about them everyday.