I've noticed that a lot of collectors claim that they don't share their recordings on QueenZone because they are afraid that the QueenZone community could share them as lossy MP3's.
That is, of course, BULLSHIT - LIE - STUPID EXCUSE.
The collectors tend to offer weird excuses because it looks better if they say "we won't share that because you would spread it in MP3's" instead of "we won't share because we don't want to", right?
The truth is that the collectors don't share because (1.) they don't want to or (2.) they are forbidden to or (3.) they don't have time/connection for it or (4.) they keep rare recordings for special trades only.
Which is, IMO, perfectly okay!!! It's democracy, nobody should be forced to anything. And after all, the big collectors on QueenZone indeed never share anything - and if they do, it's only because that recording is not rare anymore. Or to improve their reputation :-)
I'm one of the collectors and I defend them where possible but in the same time I absolutely hate hypocrisy. And I know some of my opinions might sound arrogant or unpleasant but at least they are honest...
(And I do know that MP3's are pain in ass. I don't trade them, I'm not happy at all when I (scarcely) receive them in a trade. But I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be shared. Some people simply prefer MP3's, some prefer FLAC. MP3's are often more than sufficient - I don't really need to have the 5ive version of WWRY in FLAC or WAV or on original CD).
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"But I see absolutely no reason why they shouldn't be shared. Some people simply prefer MP3's, some prefer FLAC. MP3's are often more than sufficient - I don't really need to have the 5ive version of WWRY in FLAC or WAV or on original CD). "
You took the words right out of my mouth.
You took the words right out of my mouth.
I have no problem with MP3s being shared but I think that people who want MP3s would benefit if they learned how to download and convert to MP3 on their own rather than asking someone to torrent them. There are many sites with great shows in FLAC that they can download and convert for personal use. I learned how to convert and I have a larger collection for personal listening because I learned.
If people are going to remain ignorant to FLAC, they may never get the great shows shared on other sites in FLAC. To me, that's biting your nose to spite your face.
I realize that there are those that can't down load FLAC due to small hard drives or whatever other reasons there may be , but there will always be good people In QZ that can help them out
so they can enjoy these shows too.
If people are going to remain ignorant to FLAC, they may never get the great shows shared on other sites in FLAC. To me, that's biting your nose to spite your face.
I realize that there are those that can't down load FLAC due to small hard drives or whatever other reasons there may be , but there will always be good people In QZ that can help them out
so they can enjoy these shows too.
The problem is the twats who put the MP3's (or worse) onto CDs and sell them on eBay. Even some factory pressed bootlegs are from shared lossy formats. Not good. Not good at all.
I agree there and it's very good to have an opinion from an excellent collector on this never-ending discussion,I'd rather have Bophutaswana'84 or New Zealand'85 in mp3 than Wembley'86 in flac
i would like to add another point to this interesting debate.
yes, many of us have both mp3s and flacs..(i will on a 10mb connection happily download both) personally, i prefer the convenience and space-saving of mps3 over flacs...and if burned to cd nicely...most (please note use of word MOST) live shows don't sound any better in flac...once a source has deteriorated degraded beyond first/second gen tape...the hiss and crap will more than eradicate any "perceived quality gain" from using flac - unfortunately, the old addage - "shit in = shit out" still stands
however, this ain't my main point....some people ask for mp3s because of internet download restrictions - which come in all shapes and sizes
1. time they can actually be on the net
2. bandwidth/cap restrictions on downloading placed by the isp
3. inconvenience of location...someone on here trying to get a gig that's being seeded will depend on the "seeder" having their pc switched on....well as we are all very global far-flung...some pcs will be off when we go to bed...hence a dramatic reduction in seeding
flacs will take at least 5 times as long to download, and occupy five times as much hard drive space...add to that the fatc they users will be using five times as much of their "isp download cap"...and you can understand why some almost beg for mp3s...so please don;t go too hard on people when they ask...mind you, some of em could ask in a nicer fashion...
yes, many of us have both mp3s and flacs..(i will on a 10mb connection happily download both) personally, i prefer the convenience and space-saving of mps3 over flacs...and if burned to cd nicely...most (please note use of word MOST) live shows don't sound any better in flac...once a source has deteriorated degraded beyond first/second gen tape...the hiss and crap will more than eradicate any "perceived quality gain" from using flac - unfortunately, the old addage - "shit in = shit out" still stands
however, this ain't my main point....some people ask for mp3s because of internet download restrictions - which come in all shapes and sizes
1. time they can actually be on the net
2. bandwidth/cap restrictions on downloading placed by the isp
3. inconvenience of location...someone on here trying to get a gig that's being seeded will depend on the "seeder" having their pc switched on....well as we are all very global far-flung...some pcs will be off when we go to bed...hence a dramatic reduction in seeding
flacs will take at least 5 times as long to download, and occupy five times as much hard drive space...add to that the fatc they users will be using five times as much of their "isp download cap"...and you can understand why some almost beg for mp3s...so please don;t go too hard on people when they ask...mind you, some of em could ask in a nicer fashion...
Indeed - for example my ISP has set a data transfer limit of 2 GB per month for me - you get the point.
Anyway, my main point wasn't about differences between MP3 and FLAC. My main point was about the hypocrisy of certain Queen collectors on QueenZone.
Anyway, my main point wasn't about differences between MP3 and FLAC. My main point was about the hypocrisy of certain Queen collectors on QueenZone.
So why does the Queen community have such a bad reputation?
If a taper ask a certain show not shared as mp3, shouldnt we respect that?
When the taper refuse to share his recording because he dont want it to end up as mp3 on sites as this, then there is something wrong.
And why do people want NZ 85 or Bophutaswana'84 instead of Wembley? Just because it`s rare? Is it a good show? Lets see these two were shared by one of the excellent collectors which have some of them. When you got them, then there is always new rare items you want, and so it goes on.
I think its also very easy for excellent collectors with many rare shows on audio and video to say this reputation dont bother them. Ofcourse it doesnt. They have many shows most people can dream of already, so why care...
Yeah, i mixed it all up now. I just needed a blowout, cous people here will never learn this, and this way we will miss many new discoveries. Too bad the attitude cant be changed, its all very sad really.
If a taper ask a certain show not shared as mp3, shouldnt we respect that?
When the taper refuse to share his recording because he dont want it to end up as mp3 on sites as this, then there is something wrong.
And why do people want NZ 85 or Bophutaswana'84 instead of Wembley? Just because it`s rare? Is it a good show? Lets see these two were shared by one of the excellent collectors which have some of them. When you got them, then there is always new rare items you want, and so it goes on.
I think its also very easy for excellent collectors with many rare shows on audio and video to say this reputation dont bother them. Ofcourse it doesnt. They have many shows most people can dream of already, so why care...
Yeah, i mixed it all up now. I just needed a blowout, cous people here will never learn this, and this way we will miss many new discoveries. Too bad the attitude cant be changed, its all very sad really.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr. Scully wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Indeed - for example my ISP has set a data transfer limit of 2 GB per month for me - you get the point.
Anyway, my main point wasn't about differences between MP3 and FLAC. My main point was about the hypocrisy of certain Queen collectors on QueenZone.[/QUOTE]
Personally I don't know any people that say they don't share here because they are afraid of stuff being converted to lossy formats...
About the sharing of mp3's in here...?
Well you can read my honest opinion in one of the other 25 topics about this.
(The RT DVD download topic)
Anyway, my main point wasn't about differences between MP3 and FLAC. My main point was about the hypocrisy of certain Queen collectors on QueenZone.[/QUOTE]
Personally I don't know any people that say they don't share here because they are afraid of stuff being converted to lossy formats...
About the sharing of mp3's in here...?
Well you can read my honest opinion in one of the other 25 topics about this.
(The RT DVD download topic)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]dysan wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The problem is the twats who put the MP3's (or worse) onto CDs and sell them on eBay. Even some factory pressed bootlegs are from shared lossy formats. Not good. Not good at all.[/QUOTE]Totally right:
I bought Vienna 86 on ebay, beautiful 6 side booklet, silver pressed double cd:
Checked it with TAU: result was a mpeg source. Sic!
And BTW:
you can download the first and last concert of the Queen Jazz tour from my website: in both flac and mp3
I bought Vienna 86 on ebay, beautiful 6 side booklet, silver pressed double cd:
Checked it with TAU: result was a mpeg source. Sic!
And BTW:
you can download the first and last concert of the Queen Jazz tour from my website: in both flac and mp3
"If a taper ask a certain show not shared as mp3, shouldnt we respect that?"
Yes, we should! But that's not what's happening here on QZ. Here the anti-mp3 requests are made by collectors who don't record or share anything.
"And why do people want NZ 85 or Bophutaswana'84 instead of Wembley? Just because it`s rare? Is it a good show? Lets see these two were shared by one of the excellent collectors which have some of them. When you got them, then there is always new rare items you want, and so it goes on."
That's true :-) Many people want something only because they heard it's "rare".
Yes, we should! But that's not what's happening here on QZ. Here the anti-mp3 requests are made by collectors who don't record or share anything.
"And why do people want NZ 85 or Bophutaswana'84 instead of Wembley? Just because it`s rare? Is it a good show? Lets see these two were shared by one of the excellent collectors which have some of them. When you got them, then there is always new rare items you want, and so it goes on."
That's true :-) Many people want something only because they heard it's "rare".
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queen Mum Archivist wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeroen wrote: Personally I don't know any people that say they don't share here because they are afraid of stuff being converted to lossy formats...
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Well honey... then i.e. just take a look at this "Mastrubator" called Thomas Quinn!
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=4&Q_FORUM_NAME=Sharing+The+Music+-+Announce&TOPIC_SUBJECT=Pick+A+Concert&Q=772868&page=1[/QUOTE]
Love, you missed the point. ThomasQuinn IS sharing! We were talking about collectors that REFUSE to share anything in here because they are afraid people will turn it into MP3.
Quinn IS sharing and just posts an honest an honourable request that IF you on your turn share this with someone else that you do NOT do so in MP3 but also lossless, like he did in the first place.
MP3 for personal use is fine with him - and ofcourse rightfully so.
Unfortunately the climate in Queenzone is as such that his honest and honourable request will most likely NOT be honoured.
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Well honey... then i.e. just take a look at this "Mastrubator" called Thomas Quinn!
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q_FORUM_ID=4&Q_FORUM_NAME=Sharing+The+Music+-+Announce&TOPIC_SUBJECT=Pick+A+Concert&Q=772868&page=1[/QUOTE]
Love, you missed the point. ThomasQuinn IS sharing! We were talking about collectors that REFUSE to share anything in here because they are afraid people will turn it into MP3.
Quinn IS sharing and just posts an honest an honourable request that IF you on your turn share this with someone else that you do NOT do so in MP3 but also lossless, like he did in the first place.
MP3 for personal use is fine with him - and ofcourse rightfully so.
Unfortunately the climate in Queenzone is as such that his honest and honourable request will most likely NOT be honoured.
Btw: I found that I DO know somebody that SAYS he/she is NOT sharing out of fright of conversion to lossy.
But I wonder if this person WOULD realy share anything if the climate would have been different.
(Martin's point of this topic, I believe? ;-)
But I wonder if this person WOULD realy share anything if the climate would have been different.
(Martin's point of this topic, I believe? ;-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Btw: I found that I DO know somebody that SAYS he/she is NOT sharing out of fright of conversion to lossy.
But I wonder if this person WOULD realy share anything if the climate would have been different.
(Martin's point of this topic, I believe? ;-)[/QUOTE]
Yes :-) and I'm sure there are more of them...
But I wonder if this person WOULD realy share anything if the climate would have been different.
(Martin's point of this topic, I believe? ;-)[/QUOTE]
Yes :-) and I'm sure there are more of them...
I think the title you chose for this topic is slightly misleading! ;-)
Maybe you should call it
'The return of the annual who's the biggest undiscovered hypocrit on Queenzone threat part 63'!
...but then Barb would probalby have to moved you to another section of the board :-)
Maybe you should call it
'The return of the annual who's the biggest undiscovered hypocrit on Queenzone threat part 63'!
...but then Barb would probalby have to moved you to another section of the board :-)