[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]> Body Language and YDFM bear similar qualities
So do 'Seaside Rendezvous' and loads of songs in the 1920s and it doesn't mean Freddie wrote the track two decades before being born. 'Fool Me' harks back to the Hot Space era in the same way we can say 'Need Your Loving' harks back (for some extent) to the Beatles era and 'Procession' harks back to the 17th century.
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Think I'm an idiot, eh? If the only proof I had at the time that YDFM came from the Hot Space session, I decided to use THAT era of songs written by QUEEN as my scope. Every one of Queen's songs were influenced by another at any point in time that precedes the song: Another One Bites the Dust's bass riff from Chic, Under Pressure OBVIOUSLY was John's attempt to copy Vanilla Ice (joke), etc... In fact, most music we listen to have African origins. Beatles --Elvis --> African American R&B (Johnson, Leadbelly, etc...) --> African (tribal beats, call & response and so on).
Oh yes, and thank you Lester for clearing that up, I appreciate the quote.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jimmy Dean wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]> Body Language and YDFM bear similar qualities
So do 'Seaside Rendezvous' and loads of songs in the 1920s and it doesn't mean Freddie wrote the track two decades before being born. 'Fool Me' harks back to the Hot Space era in the same way we can say 'Need Your Loving' harks back (for some extent) to the Beatles era and 'Procession' harks back to the 17th century.
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Think I'm an idiot, eh? If the only proof I had at the time that YDFM came from the Hot Space session, I decided to use THAT era of songs written by QUEEN as my scope. Every one of Queen's songs were influenced by another at any point in time that precedes the song: Another One Bites the Dust's bass riff from Chic, Under Pressure OBVIOUSLY was John's attempt to copy Vanilla Ice (joke), etc... In fact, most music we listen to have African origins. Beatles --Elvis --> African American R&B (Johnson, Leadbelly, etc...) --> African (tribal beats, call & response and so on).
Oh yes, and thank you Lester for clearing that up, I appreciate the quote.[/QUOTE]
Hey Jimmy,
I dont think your the idiot, if you look up the dictionary you will find the dudes who replied to you are the idiots. And its not from there knowledge on queen either. I cant see why millions of fans cant express them self's and there thoughts and be respected. Its like a fucking star-wars convetion. Shit... i know what you mean, yes the three songs do fall in to that same vibe. Yes Sebastian, freddie went wrote 'Seaside Rendezvous' long before he was born, just like you were born long before the fuk with birth controll was brought out, christ where is the depth in half the peoples mind's here. Now, i am getting some popcorn and coke and awaiting replys from the most smartest people here to tell me am i am wrong and ect ect ect ect!!!
So do 'Seaside Rendezvous' and loads of songs in the 1920s and it doesn't mean Freddie wrote the track two decades before being born. 'Fool Me' harks back to the Hot Space era in the same way we can say 'Need Your Loving' harks back (for some extent) to the Beatles era and 'Procession' harks back to the 17th century.
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Think I'm an idiot, eh? If the only proof I had at the time that YDFM came from the Hot Space session, I decided to use THAT era of songs written by QUEEN as my scope. Every one of Queen's songs were influenced by another at any point in time that precedes the song: Another One Bites the Dust's bass riff from Chic, Under Pressure OBVIOUSLY was John's attempt to copy Vanilla Ice (joke), etc... In fact, most music we listen to have African origins. Beatles --Elvis --> African American R&B (Johnson, Leadbelly, etc...) --> African (tribal beats, call & response and so on).
Oh yes, and thank you Lester for clearing that up, I appreciate the quote.[/QUOTE]
Hey Jimmy,
I dont think your the idiot, if you look up the dictionary you will find the dudes who replied to you are the idiots. And its not from there knowledge on queen either. I cant see why millions of fans cant express them self's and there thoughts and be respected. Its like a fucking star-wars convetion. Shit... i know what you mean, yes the three songs do fall in to that same vibe. Yes Sebastian, freddie went wrote 'Seaside Rendezvous' long before he was born, just like you were born long before the fuk with birth controll was brought out, christ where is the depth in half the peoples mind's here. Now, i am getting some popcorn and coke and awaiting replys from the most smartest people here to tell me am i am wrong and ect ect ect ect!!!
So what....
You are arguing that it wasn't recorded in circa 82, but WRITTEN back then?
Dodgiest assertion ever! Thanks for the laugh guys.
Unless you've got the original lined paper that the lyrics were written on (with a cute little 'August 1982' scribbled in the corner) then you really haven't got a lot to rely on.
One can assume that You Don't Fool Me is wholly a 90's tune. The vocals obviously come from circa 91 because thats the condition of his voice at that time. The lyrics are sparse, basic - if he'd had TEN YEARS TO WRITE THEM they'd probably have been more fleshed out by then.
If a band is turning out songs like A Winter's Tale and Innuendo, all while a man is deteriorating from HIV and receiving painful blood transfusions.... why would he keep a sheet of paper with 'You don't fool me, la la la la la' in a drawer for 10 years before recording it? Wouldn't it have been more finished up by then?
No. It's simple. The song was just a basic song idea that Freddie started recording, and never finished it. Brian, Roger, John and Dave Richards got together and orchestrated something good out of it. Plain and simple - and it all began sometime in 90-91.
The idea that it comes from the early 80's isn't even that strong anyway. What, all dance songs come from 1982 now? Haha. Melodically, it's not even that closely related to anything on Hot Space. It has a simple bassline and a doompf doompf beat and all of a sudden, it can't have been written in 1991??
I would never stoop so low as to call you guys retards. But you might want to use your noggins, use a bit of logic, realise that this YDFM = 1982 assertion is clear bullshit, and *move along*.
You are arguing that it wasn't recorded in circa 82, but WRITTEN back then?
Dodgiest assertion ever! Thanks for the laugh guys.
Unless you've got the original lined paper that the lyrics were written on (with a cute little 'August 1982' scribbled in the corner) then you really haven't got a lot to rely on.
One can assume that You Don't Fool Me is wholly a 90's tune. The vocals obviously come from circa 91 because thats the condition of his voice at that time. The lyrics are sparse, basic - if he'd had TEN YEARS TO WRITE THEM they'd probably have been more fleshed out by then.
If a band is turning out songs like A Winter's Tale and Innuendo, all while a man is deteriorating from HIV and receiving painful blood transfusions.... why would he keep a sheet of paper with 'You don't fool me, la la la la la' in a drawer for 10 years before recording it? Wouldn't it have been more finished up by then?
No. It's simple. The song was just a basic song idea that Freddie started recording, and never finished it. Brian, Roger, John and Dave Richards got together and orchestrated something good out of it. Plain and simple - and it all began sometime in 90-91.
The idea that it comes from the early 80's isn't even that strong anyway. What, all dance songs come from 1982 now? Haha. Melodically, it's not even that closely related to anything on Hot Space. It has a simple bassline and a doompf doompf beat and all of a sudden, it can't have been written in 1991??
I would never stoop so low as to call you guys retards. But you might want to use your noggins, use a bit of logic, realise that this YDFM = 1982 assertion is clear bullshit, and *move along*.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]So what....
You are arguing that it wasn't recorded in circa 82, but WRITTEN back then?
Dodgiest assertion ever! Thanks for the laugh guys.
Unless you've got the original lined paper that the lyrics were written on (with a cute little 'August 1982' scribbled in the corner) then you really haven't got a lot to rely on.
I would never stoop so low as to call you guys retards. But you might want to use your noggins, use a bit of logic, realise that this YDFM = 1982 assertion is clear bullshit, and *move along*.[/QUOTE]
No, not arguing, giving light to an official statement about the song orginating from the Hot Space sessions.First of all, "written" does not mean lyrics. It means music, I never said the words were written at all. I only added a theory that it may have been recorded as an outtake that was shelved. The version we hear is obviously from 90-91 as his voice would suggest.
Also, no one has called us *retards*... but you were the first to call us crazy! thank you for your post, you have definitely proven yourself to be quite the intellectual one, haven't you.
You are arguing that it wasn't recorded in circa 82, but WRITTEN back then?
Dodgiest assertion ever! Thanks for the laugh guys.
Unless you've got the original lined paper that the lyrics were written on (with a cute little 'August 1982' scribbled in the corner) then you really haven't got a lot to rely on.
I would never stoop so low as to call you guys retards. But you might want to use your noggins, use a bit of logic, realise that this YDFM = 1982 assertion is clear bullshit, and *move along*.[/QUOTE]
No, not arguing, giving light to an official statement about the song orginating from the Hot Space sessions.First of all, "written" does not mean lyrics. It means music, I never said the words were written at all. I only added a theory that it may have been recorded as an outtake that was shelved. The version we hear is obviously from 90-91 as his voice would suggest.
Also, no one has called us *retards*... but you were the first to call us crazy! thank you for your post, you have definitely proven yourself to be quite the intellectual one, haven't you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The lyrics are sparse, basic - if he'd had TEN YEARS TO WRITE THEM they'd probably have been more fleshed out by then.[/QUOTE]LMAOOOOOOO
That was epic
That was epic
"Also, no one has called us *retards*... but you were the first to call us crazy! thank you for your post, you have definitely proven yourself to be quite the intellectual one, haven't you."
Yes, yes I have, but I won't boast because you guys are hardly making it difficult! Let's work with another choice piece here...
"No, not arguing"
Looked like an argument to me, when people started swearing!
"giving light to an official statement about the song orginating from the Hot Space sessions."
But it wasn't an official statement. There never has been. There was a hokey comment written by God-knows-who in a booklet for a video compilation that it 'harked back' to an era when cheap dance music was supposedly more fashionable.
Which is of course, utter nonsense. What they probably meant was that it was one of few dance numbers they'd tried making since Hot Space.
"First of all, "written" does not mean lyrics. It means music, I never said the words were written at all."
Funny. I thought music was 'composed'. In any case, it's all no-never-mind. Why would they make some of it up in the early 80s, then revisit it in 1991? I don't think there's any example of them doing that with any of their other songs?
There is a precedent for this kind of behaviour, in the Beatles track "One After 909". Which was written in what, '59? Then recorded in '63 - and THEN finally redone for the 'Get Back' album (later renamed "Let It Be").
But it just doesn't make as much sense with You Don't Fool Me. Here was an unfinished song; hardly a piece of work with 10 years revision put into it.
Listen to it - it's full of repeated vocals, overdubs by Brian and Roger; it is not something they spent a lot of time on (before Freddie died, that is).
I might add, that Freddie himself said something like "I like to capture a song very quickly, while it's still fresh." He went on to talk about keeping it simple at first, and then adding all the fancy bits. But if a song didn't come quickly, he said, "Come on, forget it, let's try something else".
I don't see him starting You Don't Fool Me in the early 80's, giving up on it, then trying to record it again.
"I only added a theory that it may have been recorded as an outtake that was shelved."
.. that's not a theory. Aren't most outtakes, uh.... shelved??
"The version we hear is obviously from 90-91 as his voice would suggest."
Yes.
Yes, yes I have, but I won't boast because you guys are hardly making it difficult! Let's work with another choice piece here...
"No, not arguing"
Looked like an argument to me, when people started swearing!
"giving light to an official statement about the song orginating from the Hot Space sessions."
But it wasn't an official statement. There never has been. There was a hokey comment written by God-knows-who in a booklet for a video compilation that it 'harked back' to an era when cheap dance music was supposedly more fashionable.
Which is of course, utter nonsense. What they probably meant was that it was one of few dance numbers they'd tried making since Hot Space.
"First of all, "written" does not mean lyrics. It means music, I never said the words were written at all."
Funny. I thought music was 'composed'. In any case, it's all no-never-mind. Why would they make some of it up in the early 80s, then revisit it in 1991? I don't think there's any example of them doing that with any of their other songs?
There is a precedent for this kind of behaviour, in the Beatles track "One After 909". Which was written in what, '59? Then recorded in '63 - and THEN finally redone for the 'Get Back' album (later renamed "Let It Be").
But it just doesn't make as much sense with You Don't Fool Me. Here was an unfinished song; hardly a piece of work with 10 years revision put into it.
Listen to it - it's full of repeated vocals, overdubs by Brian and Roger; it is not something they spent a lot of time on (before Freddie died, that is).
I might add, that Freddie himself said something like "I like to capture a song very quickly, while it's still fresh." He went on to talk about keeping it simple at first, and then adding all the fancy bits. But if a song didn't come quickly, he said, "Come on, forget it, let's try something else".
I don't see him starting You Don't Fool Me in the early 80's, giving up on it, then trying to record it again.
"I only added a theory that it may have been recorded as an outtake that was shelved."
.. that's not a theory. Aren't most outtakes, uh.... shelved??
"The version we hear is obviously from 90-91 as his voice would suggest."
Yes.
> But it wasn't an official statement. There never has been.
Indeed there has been: when David Richards (and Brian later on) implied that it was written AFTER Innuendo.
> There was a hokey comment written by God-knows who in a booklet for a video compilation that it 'harked back' to an era when cheap dance music was supposedly more fashionable.
And as I said, it doesn't mean it was written back then. For that matter Fred wrote 'Rendezvous' two decades before being born, and Brian composed 'Procession' before his great-grand-father was born.
> Which is of course, utter nonsense. What they probably meant was that it was one of few dance numbers they'd tried making since Hot Space.
Indeed. Otherwise, Paul McCartney composed 'Eleanor Rigby' in the 18th century!
> I don't think there's any example of them doing that with any of their other songs?
There are indeed, but of course with much less years of difference - 'Brighton Rock', 'Stone Cold Crazy' - yet that's not the point: it's been already confirmed that 'Fool Me' was written and recorded after 'Innuendo', and the fact it "harks back" to the 'Hot Space' era doesn't mean it was written back then. Otherwise Lennon composed 'Because' in the 19th century.
Indeed there has been: when David Richards (and Brian later on) implied that it was written AFTER Innuendo.
> There was a hokey comment written by God-knows who in a booklet for a video compilation that it 'harked back' to an era when cheap dance music was supposedly more fashionable.
And as I said, it doesn't mean it was written back then. For that matter Fred wrote 'Rendezvous' two decades before being born, and Brian composed 'Procession' before his great-grand-father was born.
> Which is of course, utter nonsense. What they probably meant was that it was one of few dance numbers they'd tried making since Hot Space.
Indeed. Otherwise, Paul McCartney composed 'Eleanor Rigby' in the 18th century!
> I don't think there's any example of them doing that with any of their other songs?
There are indeed, but of course with much less years of difference - 'Brighton Rock', 'Stone Cold Crazy' - yet that's not the point: it's been already confirmed that 'Fool Me' was written and recorded after 'Innuendo', and the fact it "harks back" to the 'Hot Space' era doesn't mean it was written back then. Otherwise Lennon composed 'Because' in the 19th century.
I am underway. I'm attempting to do a cover version of You Don't Fool Me with using nothing more than my penis...
"Indeed there has been: when David Richards (and Brian later on) implied that it was written AFTER Innuendo."
Oh really? Crap, I must've missed that.
However, I did have a point - my insinuation was that there has never been any official statement to the effect of the song being written in the early 80's. And there hasn't!
"There are indeed, but of course with much less years of difference"
Ah. Yeah, I was thinking in terms of a whole decade between writing & release.
"I am underway. I'm attempting to do a cover version of You Don't Fool Me with using nothing more than my penis..."
Well, if you can't beat 'em, make them laugh?
Oh really? Crap, I must've missed that.
However, I did have a point - my insinuation was that there has never been any official statement to the effect of the song being written in the early 80's. And there hasn't!
"There are indeed, but of course with much less years of difference"
Ah. Yeah, I was thinking in terms of a whole decade between writing & release.
"I am underway. I'm attempting to do a cover version of You Don't Fool Me with using nothing more than my penis..."
Well, if you can't beat 'em, make them laugh?
Given the title of the thread, shouldn't THE very last song be No-One But You - the remaining members tribute? I know - I'm being picky - but no-one ever seems to mention the song, and I love it, because it's so under-produced - the complete opposite of Queen's normal stuff.
I think FM would have laughed at the irony.
I think FM would have laughed at the irony.
NOBY is "another story", not actually a Queen song.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]"I am underway. I'm attempting to do a cover version of You Don't Fool Me with using nothing more than my penis..."
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Beat who? I am merely pointing out the fact that I'm arguing with an idiot. It was pointed out by Lester Burnham that Brian stated on his website back in 2004, that the song was done during the 90-91 period (this is after i posted my mesage). Had you read that, you would have realized all of your lengthy posts were actually useless. So kudos, I'll be the first to send you my penis song ;-)
Well, if you can't beat 'em, make them laugh?[/QUOTE]
Beat who? I am merely pointing out the fact that I'm arguing with an idiot. It was pointed out by Lester Burnham that Brian stated on his website back in 2004, that the song was done during the 90-91 period (this is after i posted my mesage). Had you read that, you would have realized all of your lengthy posts were actually useless. So kudos, I'll be the first to send you my penis song ;-)
I always thought You don't fool me came from the Sheer heart attack sessions well you learn something new every day on here don't you(yawns at sixhundreth topic on this), listen guys we can all speculate when and where things were recorded but let's wait for the OFFICIAL book with all sessions and when/where they were recorded.
I personally reckon that YDFM came from the innuendo sessions as a skelton idea my theory behind it well for a start freddie's voice is different than the miracle and on par with some songs on innuendo(i'm going slightly mad would be a perfect example) but the hot space idea is a no go freddie's vocals then were brilliant.
The last song would have been mother love but i have a suspicion that it is a winter's tale as freddie was in or around montreux until nov9th and then came back to the uk, seeing as christmas is almost there in his mind it was finished then.
I personally reckon that YDFM came from the innuendo sessions as a skelton idea my theory behind it well for a start freddie's voice is different than the miracle and on par with some songs on innuendo(i'm going slightly mad would be a perfect example) but the hot space idea is a no go freddie's vocals then were brilliant.
The last song would have been mother love but i have a suspicion that it is a winter's tale as freddie was in or around montreux until nov9th and then came back to the uk, seeing as christmas is almost there in his mind it was finished then.
NOBY is "another story", not actually a Queen song.
Funny - I have a Queen Cd single clearly labelling it as a Queen song. Got to number 20 in the UK as I recall.
Funny - I have a Queen Cd single clearly labelling it as a Queen song. Got to number 20 in the UK as I recall.
the real last song queen made was "norwegian wood" it was very experimental, thats the most far out song they ever did, i think they were influenced by the beatles.