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Listen up dolts. The members of Queen are today's Mozart, Beethoven, Bach. They are musical geniuses.
Queen songs are written for the Tenor voice. Whip out a music sheet, and try to argue that the lead and background voices are not for Tenor voice.
About Bohemian Rhapsody:
Freddie uses falsetto in some notes, but this is for the nuance he wanted. The song requires a gentle soft tone. When he sings Mama, that is not falsetto. Mama is the G above middle C, and he sings it without much effort.
Go back and study the songs in the album Queen II. Freddie does not sing much in falsetto there, and most of the songs there are higher than Bohemian Rhapsody.
Anyone who claims that the 70s Queen album was sung by a Baritone is seriously stupid.
Listen up dolts. The members of Queen are today's Mozart, Beethoven, Bach. They are musical geniuses.
Queen songs are written for the Tenor voice. Whip out a music sheet, and try to argue that the lead and background voices are not for Tenor voice.
About Bohemian Rhapsody:
Freddie uses falsetto in some notes, but this is for the nuance he wanted. The song requires a gentle soft tone. When he sings Mama, that is not falsetto. Mama is the G above middle C, and he sings it without much effort.
Go back and study the songs in the album Queen II. Freddie does not sing much in falsetto there, and most of the songs there are higher than Bohemian Rhapsody.
Anyone who claims that the 70s Queen album was sung by a Baritone is seriously stupid.
I the name-calling is just childish and uncalled for and can only hurt your argument - though I suppose I have to summon up all my unbiasedness to come to terms with the fact that you simply don't have to be polite to be correct.
You don't make it easy.
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Yes, Brian and Roger and John are MUSICIANS, who wrote/are writing music. But this doesn't automatically mean they would know more than her about these "voice types" that I for one am curious about.
Ms. Caballé works in a field where what "type" of voice you have is a little more significant than in rock and roll - since when you write your own songs (or they are written with you in mind), you don't need to know if the person is a tenor or bass or castrato. They also don't even need to know how to read music.
I wouldn't mind having her opinion on his voice from BEFORE she knew him.
I think it would be fair to say Queen songs were written for the "Freddie voice" (most of the time).
NOW - before you call me a ninny, I DO understand the part about Freddie not "taking care of" his voice.
I can certainly agree with that - his voice in the 80's was different than in the 70's. He could hit some great high notes, and the same on the low end. And he sounded much more strained to "get up there" in the 80's.
His voice doesn't sound like the opera Tenors OR Baritones I've heard. Then again, he wasn't singing opera - so I persoanlly, can't compare.
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You don't make it easy.
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Yes, Brian and Roger and John are MUSICIANS, who wrote/are writing music. But this doesn't automatically mean they would know more than her about these "voice types" that I for one am curious about.
Ms. Caballé works in a field where what "type" of voice you have is a little more significant than in rock and roll - since when you write your own songs (or they are written with you in mind), you don't need to know if the person is a tenor or bass or castrato. They also don't even need to know how to read music.
I wouldn't mind having her opinion on his voice from BEFORE she knew him.
I think it would be fair to say Queen songs were written for the "Freddie voice" (most of the time).
NOW - before you call me a ninny, I DO understand the part about Freddie not "taking care of" his voice.
I can certainly agree with that - his voice in the 80's was different than in the 70's. He could hit some great high notes, and the same on the low end. And he sounded much more strained to "get up there" in the 80's.
His voice doesn't sound like the opera Tenors OR Baritones I've heard. Then again, he wasn't singing opera - so I persoanlly, can't compare.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
This is why I say you guys are idiots.
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This is high comedy coming from a guy who accused women of enjoying being dominated sexually.
What an idiot.
This is why I say you guys are idiots.
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This is high comedy coming from a guy who accused women of enjoying being dominated sexually.
What an idiot.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]SomebodyWhoLoves wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
This is why I say you guys are idiots.
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This is high comedy coming from a guy who accused women of enjoying being dominated sexually.
What an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha... oh yeah, I remember that! Memories, oh memories.
This is why I say you guys are idiots.
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This is high comedy coming from a guy who accused women of enjoying being dominated sexually.
What an idiot.[/QUOTE]
Hahaha... oh yeah, I remember that! Memories, oh memories.
I have to say SomebodyWhoLoves' arguments are quite shitty.
Alright... So...
I was sick today and had to do something to keep me awake while everyone else I know is at school or in a different time zone.
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I've been looking at these two lists...
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-famous-baritones
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-famous-tenors
They appear to be off Wikipedia. But they're all I keep finding anywhere. So I gave up looking for another source.
First : Freddie is on the Tenor list (along with Brian May).
I decided to look at both lists to see a bunch of different people I might be able to compare...
Baritones included, Ian Anderson, that Michael Bublé fellow that my mother likes, Gerard Butler (Phantom of the Opera, movie version), Elvis gets a note that says "call him a high baritone"...
Paul McCartney is on both lists. So is Frank Sinatra.
I get the impression that the line between Tenor and Baritone may be mushy as mashed potatoes.
I mean, looking here (and hoping it's right) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fach
He could go above what's requested of the Tenors, and below the baritones, although it's only about a note for each in some cases.
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Verdi baritone
A more specialized voice category, Verdi baritone refers to a voice capable of singing consistently and with ease in the highest part of the baritone range, sometimes even up to the A natural above middle C.
The Martin baritone
A lighter, almost tenor-like voice developed at the Opéra Comique.
Heldentenor: the German equivalent of the tenore drammatico, however with a more baritonal quality; the typical Wagnerian protagonist
Both baritone-based and tenor-based singers can possess the wide-ranged and effective falsetto needed to produce the alto and soprano ranges.
...
Looking at the roles claimed for tenor and baritone, some appear on both lists.
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Koloraturheldentenorbariton
^ How does that sound ? I don't know German, so consider it a dandy cut-and-paste job.
I was sick today and had to do something to keep me awake while everyone else I know is at school or in a different time zone.
...
I've been looking at these two lists...
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-famous-baritones
http://www.answers.com/topic/list-of-famous-tenors
They appear to be off Wikipedia. But they're all I keep finding anywhere. So I gave up looking for another source.
First : Freddie is on the Tenor list (along with Brian May).
I decided to look at both lists to see a bunch of different people I might be able to compare...
Baritones included, Ian Anderson, that Michael Bublé fellow that my mother likes, Gerard Butler (Phantom of the Opera, movie version), Elvis gets a note that says "call him a high baritone"...
Paul McCartney is on both lists. So is Frank Sinatra.
I get the impression that the line between Tenor and Baritone may be mushy as mashed potatoes.
I mean, looking here (and hoping it's right) : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fach
He could go above what's requested of the Tenors, and below the baritones, although it's only about a note for each in some cases.
-- --
Verdi baritone
A more specialized voice category, Verdi baritone refers to a voice capable of singing consistently and with ease in the highest part of the baritone range, sometimes even up to the A natural above middle C.
The Martin baritone
A lighter, almost tenor-like voice developed at the Opéra Comique.
Heldentenor: the German equivalent of the tenore drammatico, however with a more baritonal quality; the typical Wagnerian protagonist
Both baritone-based and tenor-based singers can possess the wide-ranged and effective falsetto needed to produce the alto and soprano ranges.
...
Looking at the roles claimed for tenor and baritone, some appear on both lists.
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Koloraturheldentenorbariton
^ How does that sound ? I don't know German, so consider it a dandy cut-and-paste job.
which brings us sadly to the beginning...
The confusion comes from this, Choral Tenor and Operatic Tenor. They're different, how so you may ask. Well a Choral Tenors range does not have to be that of an operatic tenor for two reasons, they are called Altos and Sopranos. An Operatic Tenor does have to hit those higher notes, and when most Choral Tenors try, they usually fail. Don't believe everything that's on wikipedia, some of their facts are wrong.
Look up Freddie Mercury on wikipedia and you'll see him classified as a Tenor, but when you click on the reference, #9, you see that Andrés E. Guazzelli classifies him as a Baritone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury
"But Freddie was actually a baritone. His lowest range, (below C2), it's not a tenor tessitura. He was a light baritone, who was actually singing in tenor's range. His passagio zone was, in fact, more similar to tenor's than a baritone's."
http://www.f-mercury.com.ar/eng_characteristics.htm
And that's it for me.
Look up Freddie Mercury on wikipedia and you'll see him classified as a Tenor, but when you click on the reference, #9, you see that Andrés E. Guazzelli classifies him as a Baritone.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freddie_Mercury
"But Freddie was actually a baritone. His lowest range, (below C2), it's not a tenor tessitura. He was a light baritone, who was actually singing in tenor's range. His passagio zone was, in fact, more similar to tenor's than a baritone's."
http://www.f-mercury.com.ar/eng_characteristics.htm
And that's it for me.
It would seem that classification is less dependant on what you CAN/DO sing and more dependant on what your voice is most suited to sing.
I agreee that most Queen songs are written for a tenor voice and, since Freddie was a fantastic pop vocalist, he could sing all of them well.
When it came to Freddie singing 'seriously' - ie Barcelona, he would sound a little different.
Think of it this way: If Freddie had to sing, consistantly and for an extended period of time, Funny How Love Is, Radio Ga Ga, or I'm Going Slightly Mad, which do you think he would sound best at?
...don't go all idolistic and say something about how Freddie sounds fantastic all of the time no matter what he is doing.
I agreee that most Queen songs are written for a tenor voice and, since Freddie was a fantastic pop vocalist, he could sing all of them well.
When it came to Freddie singing 'seriously' - ie Barcelona, he would sound a little different.
Think of it this way: If Freddie had to sing, consistantly and for an extended period of time, Funny How Love Is, Radio Ga Ga, or I'm Going Slightly Mad, which do you think he would sound best at?
...don't go all idolistic and say something about how Freddie sounds fantastic all of the time no matter what he is doing.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Fred hit those notes with head voice, since he was a baritone. One with a large range, but a baritone after all.[/QUOTE]Actually, you can't hit those high notes without head voice.
Fred hit those notes with head voice, since he was a baritone. One with a large range, but a baritone after all.[/QUOTE]Actually, you can't hit those high notes without head voice.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kohuept wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It would seem that classification is less dependant on what you CAN/DO sing and more dependant on what your voice is most suited to sing.
I agreee that most Queen songs are written for a tenor voice and, since Freddie was a fantastic pop vocalist, he could sing all of them well.
When it came to Freddie singing 'seriously' - ie Barcelona, he would sound a little different.
Think of it this way: If Freddie had to sing, consistantly and for an extended period of time, Funny How Love Is, Radio Ga Ga, or I'm Going Slightly Mad, which do you think he would sound best at?
...don't go all idolistic and say something about how Freddie sounds fantastic all of the time no matter what he is doing.[/QUOTE]
No Tenor can sing these songs even if they are suited for him day after day. Operatic singers can because of their training, and also because of the operatic voice constricts the sounds Opera singers make.
Freddie Mercury is a Tenor. A Tenor is defined by the natural range of a singer's voice. Freddie's natural range was Tenor range. but it doesn't mean he could sing day after day Queen songs. No human can.
Mariah Carey cannot sing her songs day after day unless she was careful not to overexert her voice. Are you now going to classify her as an Alto?
How many times do you read a pop or rock singer who is vocally exhausted, and has to cancel concerts? This is common.
Opera is different of course for the reasons mentioned.
Freddie was a natural Tenor, and these people who try to classify him as some sort of baritone with a huge range simply because Freddie could REACH low notes usually reserved for a Baritone is wrong. Most Tenors do not have 3.5 octave range, and can't hit the low notes Freddie could.
But this doesn't mean Freddie is a baritone. No baritone can sing Bohemian Rhapsody in the way Freddie did. The voice Freddie used to record BohRhap was a light Tenor's voice. This was the voice he had throughout the 70s.
Only in the 80s did his tone change, but that was because he had HIV/AIDS, and smoked, drank, did all kinds of things that affected his voice.
In the Innuendo Album, we however see Freddie's real voice again despite his illness.
A baritone can NEVER sound like a light Tenor as Freddie did. However, a tenor, if he has a wide range, can reach baritone low notes.
I agreee that most Queen songs are written for a tenor voice and, since Freddie was a fantastic pop vocalist, he could sing all of them well.
When it came to Freddie singing 'seriously' - ie Barcelona, he would sound a little different.
Think of it this way: If Freddie had to sing, consistantly and for an extended period of time, Funny How Love Is, Radio Ga Ga, or I'm Going Slightly Mad, which do you think he would sound best at?
...don't go all idolistic and say something about how Freddie sounds fantastic all of the time no matter what he is doing.[/QUOTE]
No Tenor can sing these songs even if they are suited for him day after day. Operatic singers can because of their training, and also because of the operatic voice constricts the sounds Opera singers make.
Freddie Mercury is a Tenor. A Tenor is defined by the natural range of a singer's voice. Freddie's natural range was Tenor range. but it doesn't mean he could sing day after day Queen songs. No human can.
Mariah Carey cannot sing her songs day after day unless she was careful not to overexert her voice. Are you now going to classify her as an Alto?
How many times do you read a pop or rock singer who is vocally exhausted, and has to cancel concerts? This is common.
Opera is different of course for the reasons mentioned.
Freddie was a natural Tenor, and these people who try to classify him as some sort of baritone with a huge range simply because Freddie could REACH low notes usually reserved for a Baritone is wrong. Most Tenors do not have 3.5 octave range, and can't hit the low notes Freddie could.
But this doesn't mean Freddie is a baritone. No baritone can sing Bohemian Rhapsody in the way Freddie did. The voice Freddie used to record BohRhap was a light Tenor's voice. This was the voice he had throughout the 70s.
Only in the 80s did his tone change, but that was because he had HIV/AIDS, and smoked, drank, did all kinds of things that affected his voice.
In the Innuendo Album, we however see Freddie's real voice again despite his illness.
A baritone can NEVER sound like a light Tenor as Freddie did. However, a tenor, if he has a wide range, can reach baritone low notes.
...he would last longer singing I'm Going Slightly Mad.
For what it's worth I distinctly remember reading somewhere (Peter Freestone aka Pheobe's book maybe?) that some of the guest singers at the FM Tribute Concert were suprised to learn they had to sing lower than they were accustomed to......
At any rate Freddie certainly had a heck of a range!
At any rate Freddie certainly had a heck of a range!
I still haven't really figured out what head voice is.