[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're on a roll Barb! :D[/QUOTE]
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)
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Religion is just a pretense for radicals. If there were no religion they would find another way to manipulate people.
There are millions of people in this world trying to make sense of their lives and religion is one way to find answers. Religious people are usually the ones who care about their neighbours and the community and who are willing to help when help is needed. We must always make the difference between the ethics of a religion and the people who uphold these ethics on the one side and the "powers" (including religious leaders very often) who abuse religion and pervert the religious ethics for their political purpose on the other side. I am not in a church but I respect the role of religion in a civilized society.
@ Cookies - you started a topic, so I assumed you want an answer. Perhaps the posts here make you think.
There are millions of people in this world trying to make sense of their lives and religion is one way to find answers. Religious people are usually the ones who care about their neighbours and the community and who are willing to help when help is needed. We must always make the difference between the ethics of a religion and the people who uphold these ethics on the one side and the "powers" (including religious leaders very often) who abuse religion and pervert the religious ethics for their political purpose on the other side. I am not in a church but I respect the role of religion in a civilized society.
@ Cookies - you started a topic, so I assumed you want an answer. Perhaps the posts here make you think.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're on a roll Barb! :D[/QUOTE]
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Religion is just a pretense for radicals. If there were no religion they would find another way to manipulate people.
There are millions of people in this world trying to make sense of their lives and religion is one way to find answers. Religious people are usually the ones who care about their neighbours and the community and who are willing to help when help is needed. We must always make the difference between the ethics of a religion and the people who uphold these ethics on the one side and the "powers" (including religious leaders very often) who abuse religion and pervert the religious ethics for their political purpose on the other side. I am not in a church but I respect the role of religion in a civilized society.
@ Cookies - you started a topic, so I assumed you want an answer. Perhaps the posts here make you think.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, because i was looking for other answers and opinions besides my own. I just don't like the fact that The Fairy King treats me like a retard and like my posts are garbage.
There are millions of people in this world trying to make sense of their lives and religion is one way to find answers. Religious people are usually the ones who care about their neighbours and the community and who are willing to help when help is needed. We must always make the difference between the ethics of a religion and the people who uphold these ethics on the one side and the "powers" (including religious leaders very often) who abuse religion and pervert the religious ethics for their political purpose on the other side. I am not in a church but I respect the role of religion in a civilized society.
@ Cookies - you started a topic, so I assumed you want an answer. Perhaps the posts here make you think.[/QUOTE]
Thank you, because i was looking for other answers and opinions besides my own. I just don't like the fact that The Fairy King treats me like a retard and like my posts are garbage.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're on a roll Barb! :D[/QUOTE]
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're on a roll Barb! :D[/QUOTE]
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.[/QUOTE]
I'm 12.
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.[/QUOTE]
I'm 12.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're on a roll Barb! :D[/QUOTE]
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.[/QUOTE]
I'm 12.
[/QUOTE]
Is that your excuse for everything?
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.[/QUOTE]
I'm 12.
[/QUOTE]
Is that your excuse for everything?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poo!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color="#FF1493">The Fairy King wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You're on a roll Barb! :D[/QUOTE]
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.[/QUOTE]
I'm 12.
[/QUOTE]
Is that your excuse for everything?
[/QUOTE]
No no, just for this.
Now, this Quoting thing is getting too long. It's making my head pound. We're also off topic.
Say, this is a topic that i started... does it make you happy, O great one?[/QUOTE]
Not really, as your OP was fairly hysterical and full of American ignorance.
Barb just saved it that's all. ;)[/QUOTE]
As a matter of fact, I'm 100% German.
Ass.[/QUOTE]
So?
Your ignorance is on the same level as the general American voters.
;)
No need for name calling now, i didn't say anything harsh dear.[/QUOTE]
I'm 12.
[/QUOTE]
Is that your excuse for everything?
[/QUOTE]
No no, just for this.
Now, this Quoting thing is getting too long. It's making my head pound. We're also off topic.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Donna13 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]We must always make the difference between the ethics of a religion and the people who uphold these ethics on the one side and the "powers" (including religious leaders very often) who abuse religion and pervert the religious ethics for their political purpose on the other side.[/QUOTE]
Yes. This is a very good point.[/QUOTE]
Things are certainly going the wrong way.
The situation in The Netherlands and Belgium in particular. Ignorance regarding the Islam is laughable. People actually BELIEVE the Islam approves the behavior of the radicals. While the general Muslims disapprove and know this isn't how it's supposed to be. This way the people in these Western countries and native Muslims grow apart more and more every day. When someone actually says this is not the way to practice the Islam faith, they ignore it or react in a very arrogant matter that the Muslim-world should put more effort in convincing the world this is not the way. Why? This is not caused by the majority of the Muslims in the world but by a fast minority. The Western world should know better, cause with this attitude more disillusioned Muslims feel like they're not accepted and will turn against them. Both should show some effort in trying to understand eachother than to just keep insulting one another with false allegations and information brought by the media.
Yes. This is a very good point.[/QUOTE]
Things are certainly going the wrong way.
The situation in The Netherlands and Belgium in particular. Ignorance regarding the Islam is laughable. People actually BELIEVE the Islam approves the behavior of the radicals. While the general Muslims disapprove and know this isn't how it's supposed to be. This way the people in these Western countries and native Muslims grow apart more and more every day. When someone actually says this is not the way to practice the Islam faith, they ignore it or react in a very arrogant matter that the Muslim-world should put more effort in convincing the world this is not the way. Why? This is not caused by the majority of the Muslims in the world but by a fast minority. The Western world should know better, cause with this attitude more disillusioned Muslims feel like they're not accepted and will turn against them. Both should show some effort in trying to understand eachother than to just keep insulting one another with false allegations and information brought by the media.
My mom is addicted to Bill O'Reilly, Greta Van susterin and Hannity and Colmes. That's how I hear about this stuff.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm ready for the onslaught of hate mail now. [/QUOTE]
No hate mail from here, just a standing ovation.
I'm ready for the onslaught of hate mail now. [/QUOTE]
No hate mail from here, just a standing ovation.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Religion is just a pretense for radicals. If there were no religion they would find another way to manipulate people.
There are millions of people in this world trying to make sense of their lives and religion is one way to find answers. Religious people are usually the ones who care about their neighbours and the community and who are willing to help when help is needed. We must always make the difference between the ethics of a religion and the people who uphold these ethics on the one side and the "powers" (including religious leaders very often) who abuse religion and pervert the religious ethics for their political purpose on the other side. I am not in a church but I respect the role of religion in a civilized society.
@ Cookies - you started a topic, so I assumed you want an answer. Perhaps the posts here make you think.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I realize that religion is only a method that people use to manipulate people, and the problem of manipulation wouldn't go away with the death of religion. I'm not that stupid. But religion is the biggest blanket for this, and the most effective by far. Remove it, and the radicals will eventually find another way I'm sure, but they'll have a much harder time of it.
And I'm not comparing religious people with religious leaders, or religious liberals with religious conservatives. I'm basing my POV on the religious people I've known, who all, when it comes down to it, put more emphasis on the next life than on this one. I think that's unhealthy. I'm not saying that all religious people are bad, or that all non-religious people are good. My point is that the ethics of most religions, while admirable, are not always the best. People who are too tied into religious belief are never able to see this, because they are too scared of pissing off the "Supreme Being" or whatever. Church doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore, unless you are a church crazy. It's a place where you gather weekly to compare clothes, children's accomplishments, and listen to a lot of yammering about things that applied and worked fine thousands of years ago, but maybe wouldn't be the best to apply to people now. If religion was more dynamic instead of being so static, it's possible that things might be alittle less tense. The problem with all of them is that they take out the humanity factor...humans change over time. It's the church who fails to see this, trying to hold us to barbarian ideals from thousands of years ago. That's not progress. That's static.
There are millions of people in this world trying to make sense of their lives and religion is one way to find answers. Religious people are usually the ones who care about their neighbours and the community and who are willing to help when help is needed. We must always make the difference between the ethics of a religion and the people who uphold these ethics on the one side and the "powers" (including religious leaders very often) who abuse religion and pervert the religious ethics for their political purpose on the other side. I am not in a church but I respect the role of religion in a civilized society.
@ Cookies - you started a topic, so I assumed you want an answer. Perhaps the posts here make you think.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I realize that religion is only a method that people use to manipulate people, and the problem of manipulation wouldn't go away with the death of religion. I'm not that stupid. But religion is the biggest blanket for this, and the most effective by far. Remove it, and the radicals will eventually find another way I'm sure, but they'll have a much harder time of it.
And I'm not comparing religious people with religious leaders, or religious liberals with religious conservatives. I'm basing my POV on the religious people I've known, who all, when it comes down to it, put more emphasis on the next life than on this one. I think that's unhealthy. I'm not saying that all religious people are bad, or that all non-religious people are good. My point is that the ethics of most religions, while admirable, are not always the best. People who are too tied into religious belief are never able to see this, because they are too scared of pissing off the "Supreme Being" or whatever. Church doesn't mean anything to anyone anymore, unless you are a church crazy. It's a place where you gather weekly to compare clothes, children's accomplishments, and listen to a lot of yammering about things that applied and worked fine thousands of years ago, but maybe wouldn't be the best to apply to people now. If religion was more dynamic instead of being so static, it's possible that things might be alittle less tense. The problem with all of them is that they take out the humanity factor...humans change over time. It's the church who fails to see this, trying to hold us to barbarian ideals from thousands of years ago. That's not progress. That's static.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]CMU HistoryGirl wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm ready for the onslaught of hate mail now. [/QUOTE]
No hate mail from here, just a standing ovation. [/QUOTE]
Aw! Thanks MagicalFreddieMercury :-)
I'm ready for the onslaught of hate mail now. [/QUOTE]
No hate mail from here, just a standing ovation. [/QUOTE]
Aw! Thanks MagicalFreddieMercury :-)
Excellent points all! I'm glad this didn't go the direction it could have.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Secondly, you cannot fight terrorism with war and guns - just look at Afghanistan and Iraq. In Iraq we have more terrorism now than ever before the war. In Afghanistan the so called "war on terror" is far from being won.
[/QUOTE]
That's because we're taking all the guns away. But before the US Invasion, they were shooting all their guns at each other and things were hunky dory?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote:
[/QUOTENAME]To fight terrorism we need to fight the roots of terrorism, i.e. poverty, injustice, illiteracy. [/QUOTE]
Well, let's fight those here, right now.
1. Poverty. How do you propose we end this? We've made panhandling illegal in some cities. We've cut many government programs, including Clinton's welfare reform. How is that going? Are people richer today? Plus have you seen the prices of a T-Shirt on Queenonline?
2. Injustice. While Democracy continues to spread worldwide, there are plenty of places where being a free man isn't even a concept. Look at the Saddam trial. Plenty of people think he deserves the death penalty as set forth, but plenty more think it's an illegal trial. Who's right?
3. Illiteracy. Good luck. Plenty of examples can even be found here. Now we're a generation with "spell-check". That's really helped. We even have a few authors on here and they can't even write complete sentences!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Secondly, you cannot fight terrorism with war and guns - just look at Afghanistan and Iraq. In Iraq we have more terrorism now than ever before the war. In Afghanistan the so called "war on terror" is far from being won.
[/QUOTE]
That's because we're taking all the guns away. But before the US Invasion, they were shooting all their guns at each other and things were hunky dory?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote:
[/QUOTENAME]To fight terrorism we need to fight the roots of terrorism, i.e. poverty, injustice, illiteracy. [/QUOTE]
Well, let's fight those here, right now.
1. Poverty. How do you propose we end this? We've made panhandling illegal in some cities. We've cut many government programs, including Clinton's welfare reform. How is that going? Are people richer today? Plus have you seen the prices of a T-Shirt on Queenonline?
2. Injustice. While Democracy continues to spread worldwide, there are plenty of places where being a free man isn't even a concept. Look at the Saddam trial. Plenty of people think he deserves the death penalty as set forth, but plenty more think it's an illegal trial. Who's right?
3. Illiteracy. Good luck. Plenty of examples can even be found here. Now we're a generation with "spell-check". That's really helped. We even have a few authors on here and they can't even write complete sentences!