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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poe!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Radical Islamics, Radical Leftists, Radical Christians, Radical Conservatives... and so and so,
Any fuckin' radical extremist wants to take over the world and force their own rules and thoughts on others. Why only pin point one single group as the threat when all of them are just about as guilty.[/QUOTE]
Because I didn't see a show about radical Conservatives.... I saw one about Radical Islamics.[/QUOTE]
You saw a show broadcatsed by radical conservatives blaming Islamic conservatives.
Any fuckin' radical extremist wants to take over the world and force their own rules and thoughts on others. Why only pin point one single group as the threat when all of them are just about as guilty.[/QUOTE]
Because I didn't see a show about radical Conservatives.... I saw one about Radical Islamics.[/QUOTE]
You saw a show broadcatsed by radical conservatives blaming Islamic conservatives.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poe!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My mom is addicted to Bill O'Reilly, Greta Van susterin and Hannity and Colmes. That's how I hear about this stuff.[/QUOTE]
No offense but your mom really needs to wake up and smell the coffee if she believes all the crap those morons say.
I for once have to tell you that I've had Muslim friends and talked to other Muslims and each and every single one of them has condemmed 9/11 by saying that their beliefs prohibit completely killing or harming innocent people.
The saddest part of all is that here in America the people who claim to stand up the most for "Family values" and "Christian codes of ethics" are the same ones who support a fake war and the killing of people in the Middle East.
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. It's no wonder why people are starting to get fed up with the high level of hypocrisy of the so called "christians" churches and institutions of America.
No offense but your mom really needs to wake up and smell the coffee if she believes all the crap those morons say.
I for once have to tell you that I've had Muslim friends and talked to other Muslims and each and every single one of them has condemmed 9/11 by saying that their beliefs prohibit completely killing or harming innocent people.
The saddest part of all is that here in America the people who claim to stand up the most for "Family values" and "Christian codes of ethics" are the same ones who support a fake war and the killing of people in the Middle East.
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. It's no wonder why people are starting to get fed up with the high level of hypocrisy of the so called "christians" churches and institutions of America.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=teal>Cookies!<h6>Poe!!<h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My mom is addicted to Bill O'Reilly, Greta Van susterin and Hannity and Colmes. That's how I hear about this stuff.[/QUOTE]
No offense but your mom really needs to wake up and smell the coffee if she believes all the crap those morons say.
I for once have to tell you that I've had Muslim friends and talked to other Muslims and each and every single one of them has condemmed 9/11 by saying that their beliefs prohibit completely killing or harming innocent people.
The saddest part of all is that here in America the people who claim to stand up the most for "Family values" and "Christian codes of ethics" are the same ones who support a fake war and the killing of people in the Middle East.
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. It's no wonder why people are starting to get fed up with the high level of hypocrisy of the so called "christians" churches and institutions of America.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying she BELIEVES it... she just watches it, for what reason i dont know. But I do remember the show stating that "Not all Islamics are like this," so I don't think the makers of the show are considering everyone in the Middle East to be bloodthirsty terrorists.
No offense but your mom really needs to wake up and smell the coffee if she believes all the crap those morons say.
I for once have to tell you that I've had Muslim friends and talked to other Muslims and each and every single one of them has condemmed 9/11 by saying that their beliefs prohibit completely killing or harming innocent people.
The saddest part of all is that here in America the people who claim to stand up the most for "Family values" and "Christian codes of ethics" are the same ones who support a fake war and the killing of people in the Middle East.
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. It's no wonder why people are starting to get fed up with the high level of hypocrisy of the so called "christians" churches and institutions of America.[/QUOTE]
I'm not saying she BELIEVES it... she just watches it, for what reason i dont know. But I do remember the show stating that "Not all Islamics are like this," so I don't think the makers of the show are considering everyone in the Middle East to be bloodthirsty terrorists.
Sorry if I offended you.
Yet I consider it an absolute waste of time to watch the non-sense that comes out of O'Reilly's and Hannity's mouths.
However, it's not only ultra conservatives who watch it. I know many liberals who watch those shows just to get pissed off about what they will say next. Seems pretty pathetic to me because in the end it gives them more ratings and more media exposure.
Yet I consider it an absolute waste of time to watch the non-sense that comes out of O'Reilly's and Hannity's mouths.
However, it's not only ultra conservatives who watch it. I know many liberals who watch those shows just to get pissed off about what they will say next. Seems pretty pathetic to me because in the end it gives them more ratings and more media exposure.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry if I offended you.
Yet I consider it an absolute waste of time to watch the non-sense that comes out of O'Reilly's and Hannity's mouths.
However, it's not only ultra conservatives who watch it. I know many liberals who watch those shows just to get pissed off about what they will say next. Seems pretty pathetic to me because in the end it gives them more ratings and more media exposure.[/QUOTE]
You didn't offend, 'sall good 8-)
Yet I consider it an absolute waste of time to watch the non-sense that comes out of O'Reilly's and Hannity's mouths.
However, it's not only ultra conservatives who watch it. I know many liberals who watch those shows just to get pissed off about what they will say next. Seems pretty pathetic to me because in the end it gives them more ratings and more media exposure.[/QUOTE]
You didn't offend, 'sall good 8-)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. [/QUOTE]
So what would YOU call all those US soldiers in Iraq?
Kerry already used "Stupid" so be a little more creative.
And is it a Christian policy to exclude? So you're what, Bhuddist? Next thing you know, you'll be calling yourself Jingles Quinn.
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. [/QUOTE]
So what would YOU call all those US soldiers in Iraq?
Kerry already used "Stupid" so be a little more creative.
And is it a Christian policy to exclude? So you're what, Bhuddist? Next thing you know, you'll be calling yourself Jingles Quinn.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]¼Microwave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. [/QUOTE]
So what would YOU call all those US soldiers in Iraq?
Kerry already used "Stupid" so be a little more creative.
And is it a Christian policy to exclude? So you're what, Bhuddist? Next thing you know, you'll be calling yourself Jingles Quinn.[/QUOTE]
Those soldiers in Iraq are there because they believed the country was under imminent threat with WMDs and Al-Qaeda support from Saddam Hussein.
...and what did they find there? NOTHING!! Like Paul Mooney said, they couldn't even find a fuckin' firecracker.
People wanted to believe that we had to protect the country, and instead we made things far worse than before. Now Iraq is nearly completely infiltrated by Al-Qaeda, and the guy who killed 3,000 people on 9/11 is laughing his ass off at us for blaming all his shit on someone else.
Anyone who supports Bush should not be considered a christian. [/QUOTE]
So what would YOU call all those US soldiers in Iraq?
Kerry already used "Stupid" so be a little more creative.
And is it a Christian policy to exclude? So you're what, Bhuddist? Next thing you know, you'll be calling yourself Jingles Quinn.[/QUOTE]
Those soldiers in Iraq are there because they believed the country was under imminent threat with WMDs and Al-Qaeda support from Saddam Hussein.
...and what did they find there? NOTHING!! Like Paul Mooney said, they couldn't even find a fuckin' firecracker.
People wanted to believe that we had to protect the country, and instead we made things far worse than before. Now Iraq is nearly completely infiltrated by Al-Qaeda, and the guy who killed 3,000 people on 9/11 is laughing his ass off at us for blaming all his shit on someone else.
@ Microwave
I am not sure if you are serious with your post. If you are - I am from Europe and we have a more global view and don't believe the USA is the be-all and end-all. I was not talking about the USA but about Arab countries. 2 thirds of young Arab males have no job and no chance to ever get one. There you have the reservoir of poor "holy warriors". Add the illegal war against the Iraq, add the unsolved situation in the Israel/Palestine conflict and countless American vetoes in the security council concerning the situation and you have injustice. Add illiteracy and you have the chance to manipulate all these angry young people anytime.
Btw, I am not blaming it all on the USA. I think the Europeans are also guilty of treating Arab countries unfair.
@ CMU History Girl
I don't think you are stupid at all and I agree with many of your thoughts. It's hard to not generalize and the Christian fundamentalism does not have any influence here in Europe, therefore we probably have a very different view on the issue.
I am not sure if you are serious with your post. If you are - I am from Europe and we have a more global view and don't believe the USA is the be-all and end-all. I was not talking about the USA but about Arab countries. 2 thirds of young Arab males have no job and no chance to ever get one. There you have the reservoir of poor "holy warriors". Add the illegal war against the Iraq, add the unsolved situation in the Israel/Palestine conflict and countless American vetoes in the security council concerning the situation and you have injustice. Add illiteracy and you have the chance to manipulate all these angry young people anytime.
Btw, I am not blaming it all on the USA. I think the Europeans are also guilty of treating Arab countries unfair.
@ CMU History Girl
I don't think you are stupid at all and I agree with many of your thoughts. It's hard to not generalize and the Christian fundamentalism does not have any influence here in Europe, therefore we probably have a very different view on the issue.
@ YourValentine
Thanks for that, BTW. I have to admit that's one of the reasons I fell in love with Europe when I was there, and really admire it today still. While the Pope may decry the secularization of Europe, I think it's a good thing...next logical step in the progression and maturity of humanity.
If you ever came over here, you'd be amazed how much sway those religious right nuts have. And they are all the biggest bunch of hypocrites to ever live. Just look at the evangelical preacher that made a video denoucing homosexuality, and he just admitted that he's had homosexual, drug fueled trysts for the last 5 years. I love watching those high and mighty people fall; sounds sick I know, but it's so satisfying to see them knocked back down by the knowledge that they are no better than the rest of us.
But I know what you mean....it's probably hard to get a sense of that from Europe, like it's hard for us in the US to get a sense of anything from abroad, since you actually have to physically seek out news from anywhere outside the US that covers anything international.
Thanks for that, BTW. I have to admit that's one of the reasons I fell in love with Europe when I was there, and really admire it today still. While the Pope may decry the secularization of Europe, I think it's a good thing...next logical step in the progression and maturity of humanity.
If you ever came over here, you'd be amazed how much sway those religious right nuts have. And they are all the biggest bunch of hypocrites to ever live. Just look at the evangelical preacher that made a video denoucing homosexuality, and he just admitted that he's had homosexual, drug fueled trysts for the last 5 years. I love watching those high and mighty people fall; sounds sick I know, but it's so satisfying to see them knocked back down by the knowledge that they are no better than the rest of us.
But I know what you mean....it's probably hard to get a sense of that from Europe, like it's hard for us in the US to get a sense of anything from abroad, since you actually have to physically seek out news from anywhere outside the US that covers anything international.
I'm not really into this whole Islam thing, but in my opinion their religious leaders are heavily abusing and misinterpreting their holy book.
But hey, I suppose that happens within Christianity too, but not to that degree.
I mean, come on, I thought we were over the crusades and jihads thing centuries ago.
But hey, I suppose that happens within Christianity too, but not to that degree.
I mean, come on, I thought we were over the crusades and jihads thing centuries ago.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=pink>The Millionaire Waltzzz wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I'm not really into this whole Islam thing, but in my opinion their religious leaders are heavily abusing and misinterpreting their holy book.
But hey, I suppose that happens within Christianity too, but not to that degree.
I mean, come on, I thought we were over the crusades and jihads thing centuries ago.[/QUOTE]
It does happen with Christianity... just look how many woman preachers there are. And the whole "women must stay at home and take care of the family and house" and "men are the dominant sex" shit. I can't stand it. That's not what the bible says.
But hey, I suppose that happens within Christianity too, but not to that degree.
I mean, come on, I thought we were over the crusades and jihads thing centuries ago.[/QUOTE]
It does happen with Christianity... just look how many woman preachers there are. And the whole "women must stay at home and take care of the family and house" and "men are the dominant sex" shit. I can't stand it. That's not what the bible says.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]@ Microwave
I am not sure if you are serious with your post. If you are - I am from Europe and we have a more global view and don't believe the USA is the be-all and end-all. I was not talking about the USA but about Arab countries. 2 thirds of young Arab males have no job and no chance to ever get one. There you have the reservoir of poor "holy warriors". Add the illegal war against the Iraq, add the unsolved situation in the Israel/Palestine conflict and countless American vetoes in the security council concerning the situation and you have injustice. Add illiteracy and you have the chance to manipulate all these angry young people anytime.
Btw, I am not blaming it all on the USA. I think the Europeans are also guilty of treating Arab countries unfair.
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Thanks, Barb! It was a mixture of seriousness and satire. I do think you've hit a very solid point, but I don't think there's much hope in resolving those issues. I was quite serious about the Queenonline tie in, youch!
...and the "guns" comment was for those of you who know I'm from Texas. Guns solve everything down here.
Arabs always have and always will feel that we are Infidels invading their land. Personally, I think the African has more right to say, but I think they're just waiting for everyone to blow each other up so things can go back like they were in the real beginning.
I am not sure if you are serious with your post. If you are - I am from Europe and we have a more global view and don't believe the USA is the be-all and end-all. I was not talking about the USA but about Arab countries. 2 thirds of young Arab males have no job and no chance to ever get one. There you have the reservoir of poor "holy warriors". Add the illegal war against the Iraq, add the unsolved situation in the Israel/Palestine conflict and countless American vetoes in the security council concerning the situation and you have injustice. Add illiteracy and you have the chance to manipulate all these angry young people anytime.
Btw, I am not blaming it all on the USA. I think the Europeans are also guilty of treating Arab countries unfair.
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Thanks, Barb! It was a mixture of seriousness and satire. I do think you've hit a very solid point, but I don't think there's much hope in resolving those issues. I was quite serious about the Queenonline tie in, youch!
...and the "guns" comment was for those of you who know I'm from Texas. Guns solve everything down here.
Arabs always have and always will feel that we are Infidels invading their land. Personally, I think the African has more right to say, but I think they're just waiting for everyone to blow each other up so things can go back like they were in the real beginning.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Cookies! wrote: [/QUOTENAME] "women must stay at home and take care of the family and house" and "men are the dominant sex"
That's not what the bible says.[/QUOTE]
Mine does.
That's not what the bible says.[/QUOTE]
Mine does.
America's Women: 400 Years of Dolls, Drudges, Helpmates, and Heroines
By Gail Collins
The gender rule that a woman's place was in the home -- where, for at least three centuries, the drudgery of back-breaking housework challenged the label of ''weaker sex" -- repeatedly got suspended in emergencies, according to Collins. Pioneer women fought Indians. They dumped tea during the Revolutionary War, spied in the Civil War, and ran boardinghouses for California gold-diggers. When the textile mills required small hands or the telephone company needed patient operators, they turned to women. Women drove ambulances during World War I, and tested aircraft and towed targets for live artillery practice during World War II.
The 20th century brought women many tools for domestic emancipation: the vote, Kotex, the typewriter, the dishwasher, and the Pill, plus divorces and college degrees for more than a select few. Yet, Collins notes, the federal Equal Rights Amendment, which would have reversed almost 400 years of propaganda about a woman's proper place in society, failed in the 1970s because many women saw it as a repudiation of everything they were about.
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By Gail Collins
The gender rule that a woman's place was in the home -- where, for at least three centuries, the drudgery of back-breaking housework challenged the label of ''weaker sex" -- repeatedly got suspended in emergencies, according to Collins. Pioneer women fought Indians. They dumped tea during the Revolutionary War, spied in the Civil War, and ran boardinghouses for California gold-diggers. When the textile mills required small hands or the telephone company needed patient operators, they turned to women. Women drove ambulances during World War I, and tested aircraft and towed targets for live artillery practice during World War II.
The 20th century brought women many tools for domestic emancipation: the vote, Kotex, the typewriter, the dishwasher, and the Pill, plus divorces and college degrees for more than a select few. Yet, Collins notes, the federal Equal Rights Amendment, which would have reversed almost 400 years of propaganda about a woman's proper place in society, failed in the 1970s because many women saw it as a repudiation of everything they were about.
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