[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Lester Burnham wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Check out songs like Trampled Underfoot, Achilles Last Stand, Carouselambra, and the entire Houses Of The Holy album, and then tell me Zeppelin wrote generic songs.[/QUOTE]
I swear, Bob, you are a man after my own heart.
Too bad you're a man, of course...[/QUOTE]
Hahaha!! Hey, I had a 50% chance of being a girl, and I lost! Better luck next time, I guess.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]The prophet's song wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And I don't know much about music, but I reckon John is a bloody good bass player. Just listen to Millionair Waltz with only the left headphone in and you'll hear his brilliance[/QUOTE]
He nailed it in the studio, but probably after 10 takes. He never could nail it live. He often missed the little licks in Killer Queen and You're My Best Friend, too. He never struck me as a bass player who practiced a lot. On the other hand, you don't see John Myung or Victor Wooten missing a note, ever.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]7Innuendo7 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]James Jamerson -- Motown session player, established modern bass technique -- played bass on more number one singles than ANYONE[/QUOTE]
To anyone remotely interested in music: If there's ONE movie you ever need to see, it's "Standing In The Shadows Of Motown". This is what music and western music culture is all about.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]¼Microwave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bob-Plant wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]greaserkat wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You guys have forgotten of possibly the best bassist, Cliff Burton from Metallica[/QUOTE]
I was hoping somebody would make note of this omision-any list of "best of's" is going to be subjective, but I think Cliff doesn't get his due because Metallica is a heavy metal band-same with Steve Harris of Iron Maiden.[/QUOTE]
How many albums did Cliff make? and yes, I don't think it takes as much to play heavy metal bass, as it does to play Funk, R&B, Jazz, and some Rock. Most of the time, you're just hammering the same two or three notes. All Metallica did was mix up the syncopation. That's why I pretty much ignore HM bassists, Stu Hamm is pretty good, so is Billy Sheehan.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bob-Plant wrote: [/QUOTENAME]How come nobody has mentioned Paul McCartney at the top of their list? [/QUOTE]
#8 on my list. Paul is greatness.[/QUOTE] I agree, steve harris had his own style, so I think he belongs. Cliff burton is grossly overated by metal fans. He never did anything different in his brief 3 albums. I think john is a better all around bassist in my opinion.
I was hoping somebody would make note of this omision-any list of "best of's" is going to be subjective, but I think Cliff doesn't get his due because Metallica is a heavy metal band-same with Steve Harris of Iron Maiden.[/QUOTE]
How many albums did Cliff make? and yes, I don't think it takes as much to play heavy metal bass, as it does to play Funk, R&B, Jazz, and some Rock. Most of the time, you're just hammering the same two or three notes. All Metallica did was mix up the syncopation. That's why I pretty much ignore HM bassists, Stu Hamm is pretty good, so is Billy Sheehan.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bob-Plant wrote: [/QUOTENAME]How come nobody has mentioned Paul McCartney at the top of their list? [/QUOTE]
#8 on my list. Paul is greatness.[/QUOTE] I agree, steve harris had his own style, so I think he belongs. Cliff burton is grossly overated by metal fans. He never did anything different in his brief 3 albums. I think john is a better all around bassist in my opinion.
Cliff Burton played on Metallica's first 3 albums Kill Em All, Ride The Lightning & Master of Puppets just thought I'd clarify that
What about the $5.98 EP? Garage Days Revisited
jon deekon is teh secks
I do listen to A LOT of Zeppelin...it's a requirement in my house. I just find all their songs to sound the same after awhile...although I give Physical Grafitti and Zeppelin 2 major props. I think John's better than John Paul Jones because John Paul Jones hasn't really written anything by himself like John Deacon has. I guess my sister doesn't think much of John because he doesn't use all the slapping and popping and other jazzy techniques. I still think he's amazing no matter what.
Well I'm a bassplayer myself and I play for a long time now (over twenty years) John is a more then avaerage bassplayer, but comparing to
Jaco Pastorius, Jack Bruce, Paul McCartney, Brian Wilson (yes he is origin bassplayer), John Paul Jones, Flea, John Entwistle (shame nobody names him he was the god of bass), Sting (in his Police days off course). John Deacon isn't the best playerethere was. I think he knew that that was his role and to play that role withinn Queen made him the perfect bassplayer Queen could ever had.
Jaco Pastorius, Jack Bruce, Paul McCartney, Brian Wilson (yes he is origin bassplayer), John Paul Jones, Flea, John Entwistle (shame nobody names him he was the god of bass), Sting (in his Police days off course). John Deacon isn't the best playerethere was. I think he knew that that was his role and to play that role withinn Queen made him the perfect bassplayer Queen could ever had.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think John's better than John Paul Jones because John Paul Jones hasn't really written anything by himself like John Deacon has.[/QUOTE]
So, in other words, you think that people who write in a band environment are inferior to people who write alone?
Then I guess Johnny Ramone is a better writer than all the guys in Yes.
So, in other words, you think that people who write in a band environment are inferior to people who write alone?
Then I guess Johnny Ramone is a better writer than all the guys in Yes.
I'd say Chris Squire was probably best but John was top bass player. His problem was he also wrote some of Queen's best tunes later on in the 70's and into the 80's and is more regarded as someone who became a good songwriter rather than a good bass player. But as for John Paul Jones I don't think he was THAT good. He was in a great band but almost any bass player would have fit in to Led Zep as long as they did as they were told! Guys like Ronnie Lane of both The Small Faces & The Faces wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes because they would have wanted their input as well, while JPJ kept pretty quiet and just played what was put in front of him.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Then I guess Johnny Ramone is a better writer than all the guys in Yes.
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Well, that goes without saying. Siberian Khatru is no Rock & Roll Highschool!!!!
Then I guess Johnny Ramone is a better writer than all the guys in Yes.
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Well, that goes without saying. Siberian Khatru is no Rock & Roll Highschool!!!!
Although john didn't really stand out from the rest of Queen, his bass lines were incredibly invented and rarely stuck to just one end of the neck!
Try this exercise (it´s simple, but you´ll get the point):
By this time everybody knows the "AOBTD" bass lines and "AKOM".
But imagine now "Play the Game". Hear it in your head. Can you hear the basslines in your head? Try again! It´s hard to remember this one, isn´t it?
But even if you don´t remember, try to put one that sounds good to you (this is great for your creativity!).
Compare it with the original!
So, what´s the result?
Let me tell you, this is the essence of John Deacon. You don´t realise that he´s there, because his basslines just melt into the songs perfectly, but when you hear his creativity, for me it´s just breathtaking!!
Take care
By this time everybody knows the "AOBTD" bass lines and "AKOM".
But imagine now "Play the Game". Hear it in your head. Can you hear the basslines in your head? Try again! It´s hard to remember this one, isn´t it?
But even if you don´t remember, try to put one that sounds good to you (this is great for your creativity!).
Compare it with the original!
So, what´s the result?
Let me tell you, this is the essence of John Deacon. You don´t realise that he´s there, because his basslines just melt into the songs perfectly, but when you hear his creativity, for me it´s just breathtaking!!
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6>
He nailed it in the studio, but probably after 10 takes. He never could nail it live. He often missed the little licks in Killer Queen and You're My Best Friend, too. He never struck me as a bass player who practiced a lot. On the other hand, you don't see John Myung or Victor Wooten missing a note, ever.
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I have to disagree!!
He could have missed it some times, but that wasn´t the rule! Listen to the 23th November 1977 in Philadelphia.
He allways play with confidence, and compared to Brian he hardly misses a note!
He plays very different styles, and in 78 he would play a fretless bass in `39. In 1986 the live version of "AKOM".
Even in the tribute concert. He has class, and he has created great bass lines.
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Paul McCartney wasn´t better that John, and that´s for sure ok?
And Cliff Burton reinvented bass guitar. Please boys and gals let´s just talk about what we know. You would be amazed about his licks in those Metallica albums. You would think that some of the licks were made by the guitar player!- That´s how good he was!!
Thay are all great in their styles!
Take care
He nailed it in the studio, but probably after 10 takes. He never could nail it live. He often missed the little licks in Killer Queen and You're My Best Friend, too. He never struck me as a bass player who practiced a lot. On the other hand, you don't see John Myung or Victor Wooten missing a note, ever.
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I have to disagree!!
He could have missed it some times, but that wasn´t the rule! Listen to the 23th November 1977 in Philadelphia.
He allways play with confidence, and compared to Brian he hardly misses a note!
He plays very different styles, and in 78 he would play a fretless bass in `39. In 1986 the live version of "AKOM".
Even in the tribute concert. He has class, and he has created great bass lines.
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Paul McCartney wasn´t better that John, and that´s for sure ok?
And Cliff Burton reinvented bass guitar. Please boys and gals let´s just talk about what we know. You would be amazed about his licks in those Metallica albums. You would think that some of the licks were made by the guitar player!- That´s how good he was!!
Thay are all great in their styles!
Take care
I agree exactly with what was said above about Play the Game (and theres quite a lot of other songs like this where the bass is part of the tapestry of the song)
As for John not being able to nail it live (so is therefore not so good) is utter bollocks. That has nothing to do with his standard of playing at all. There would have been a gap of, lets say a year, between the song being put to tape and it being taken out on tour. Then during rehearsals for a tour the song would be re-learned to suit the live environment. Then that song wouldn't be played for another year until the next tour by which time it has evolved again... and so on and on.
Also getting back to the original post....
If your sister thinks that John's bass playing standard is not very high, I would suggest she try to learn another instrument as she obviously knows very little about playing bass.
As for John not being able to nail it live (so is therefore not so good) is utter bollocks. That has nothing to do with his standard of playing at all. There would have been a gap of, lets say a year, between the song being put to tape and it being taken out on tour. Then during rehearsals for a tour the song would be re-learned to suit the live environment. Then that song wouldn't be played for another year until the next tour by which time it has evolved again... and so on and on.
Also getting back to the original post....
If your sister thinks that John's bass playing standard is not very high, I would suggest she try to learn another instrument as she obviously knows very little about playing bass.
My sister knows a lot about bass..she's brilliant. She's just not very tolerant of John Deacon's style of playing, she prefers the funk or really complicated Zeppelin bass lines. Personally, I find John's bass lines to be challenging and melodic...I think they're beautiful.