[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Drowse1 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]But as for John Paul Jones I don't think he was THAT good. He was in a great band but almost any bass player would have fit in to Led Zep as long as they did as they were told! Guys like Ronnie Lane of both The Small Faces & The Faces wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes because they would have wanted their input as well, while JPJ kept pretty quiet and just played what was put in front of him.[/QUOTE]
I completely disagree. JPJ and John Bonham were the BACKBONE of Led Zeppelin, who did not do what they were told. JPJ laid down some amazing bass work, especially in LZ's concerts, where he never played a song the same way twice. I have never heard a single wrong note from JPJ, and I've heard 150+ Zeppelin bootlegs. He is a far better musician than Page. Jonesy wrote many of the great Led Zeppelin songs, including Black Dog, No Quarter, and Carouselambra. In the late 70s, when Page and Plant were heavy into drugs, and Bonham was drinking, John Paul Jones was the glue that held the band together.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]¼Microwave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Then I guess Johnny Ramone is a better writer than all the guys in Yes.
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Well, that goes without saying. Siberian Khatru is no Rock & Roll Highschool!!!![/QUOTE]
Absolutely! Ha ha...
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]He could have missed it some times, but that wasn´t the rule! Listen to the 23th November 1977 in Philadelphia.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, he definitely nailed it at that show! But he often didn't. That's all I was saying.
[QUOTE]He allways play with confidence, and compared to Brian he hardly misses a note![/QUOTE]
Yes, that's very true. Brian is sometimes a bit sloppy on stage. John always tries to stick to the plan, whereas Brian often tries to be adventurous. Usually he succeeds, but sometimes he just has an off night. These things happen!
[QUOTE]Paul McCartney wasn´t better that John, and that´s for sure ok?[/QUOTE]
I'd put McCartney and Deacy at about the same level as bassists. There is plenty of great bass work all over the Beatles catalogue. Deacy and McCartney were integral parts of their respective bands both as writers and bassists, but there should be no debate over who was the better writer.
[QUOTE]And Cliff Burton reinvented bass guitar. Please boys and gals let´s just talk about what we know. You would be amazed about his licks in those Metallica albums. You would think that some of the licks were made by the guitar player!- That´s how good he was!![/QUOTE]
Agreed. Metallica is over-rated as a whole, but Cliff Burton as a musician is under-rated.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]irma wrote: [/QUOTENAME]As for John not being able to nail it live (so is therefore not so good) is utter bollocks. That has nothing to do with his standard of playing at all. There would have been a gap of, lets say a year, between the song being put to tape and it being taken out on tour. Then during rehearsals for a tour the song would be re-learned to suit the live environment. Then that song wouldn't be played for another year until the next tour by which time it has evolved again... and so on and on.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree with you. That's a good way of looking at things, as songs definitely do evolve over time. But when it comes to The Millionaire Waltz, even on the ADATR tour, he rarely played it like the album version. He just wasn't a proficient bassist. He was a certainly a great bassist, and a great writer, but he's nowhere near the ability of Squire/Jamerson/Wooten, etc... which of course is fine. Nobody has to be a technical master. It's just an observation.
Yeah, he definitely nailed it at that show! But he often didn't. That's all I was saying.
[QUOTE]He allways play with confidence, and compared to Brian he hardly misses a note![/QUOTE]
Yes, that's very true. Brian is sometimes a bit sloppy on stage. John always tries to stick to the plan, whereas Brian often tries to be adventurous. Usually he succeeds, but sometimes he just has an off night. These things happen!
[QUOTE]Paul McCartney wasn´t better that John, and that´s for sure ok?[/QUOTE]
I'd put McCartney and Deacy at about the same level as bassists. There is plenty of great bass work all over the Beatles catalogue. Deacy and McCartney were integral parts of their respective bands both as writers and bassists, but there should be no debate over who was the better writer.
[QUOTE]And Cliff Burton reinvented bass guitar. Please boys and gals let´s just talk about what we know. You would be amazed about his licks in those Metallica albums. You would think that some of the licks were made by the guitar player!- That´s how good he was!![/QUOTE]
Agreed. Metallica is over-rated as a whole, but Cliff Burton as a musician is under-rated.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]irma wrote: [/QUOTENAME]As for John not being able to nail it live (so is therefore not so good) is utter bollocks. That has nothing to do with his standard of playing at all. There would have been a gap of, lets say a year, between the song being put to tape and it being taken out on tour. Then during rehearsals for a tour the song would be re-learned to suit the live environment. Then that song wouldn't be played for another year until the next tour by which time it has evolved again... and so on and on.[/QUOTE]
Yes, I agree with you. That's a good way of looking at things, as songs definitely do evolve over time. But when it comes to The Millionaire Waltz, even on the ADATR tour, he rarely played it like the album version. He just wasn't a proficient bassist. He was a certainly a great bassist, and a great writer, but he's nowhere near the ability of Squire/Jamerson/Wooten, etc... which of course is fine. Nobody has to be a technical master. It's just an observation.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=orange>iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Where do you think John ranks among the best rock bassists? My sister plays bass and insists John isn't very good, but he's got excellent technique and rythm. He's one of my favorites!
I'd only put Flea, Geddy Lee(reluctantly), and John Paul Jones above him...oh, and the guy from Rage Against the Machine.[/QUOTE]
It's like you ask: Who is the most beautiful woman on Earth? That's why I hate these kinds of conversation...
I'd only put Flea, Geddy Lee(reluctantly), and John Paul Jones above him...oh, and the guy from Rage Against the Machine.[/QUOTE]
It's like you ask: Who is the most beautiful woman on Earth? That's why I hate these kinds of conversation...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]boca wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=orange>iLOVEFREDDiEMERCURY wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Where do you think John ranks among the best rock bassists? My sister plays bass and insists John isn't very good, but he's got excellent technique and rythm. He's one of my favorites!
I'd only put Flea, Geddy Lee(reluctantly), and John Paul Jones above him...oh, and the guy from Rage Against the Machine.[/QUOTE]
It's like you ask: Who is the most beautiful woman on Earth? That's why I hate these kinds of conversation...[/QUOTE]
As long as people can give well-informed reasons for their choices, then it can be a good conversation. But if people just name musicians from their favourite bands, then yeah, it's pretty pointless.
I'd only put Flea, Geddy Lee(reluctantly), and John Paul Jones above him...oh, and the guy from Rage Against the Machine.[/QUOTE]
It's like you ask: Who is the most beautiful woman on Earth? That's why I hate these kinds of conversation...[/QUOTE]
As long as people can give well-informed reasons for their choices, then it can be a good conversation. But if people just name musicians from their favourite bands, then yeah, it's pretty pointless.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]saltnvinegar wrote: [/QUOTENAME]http://www.digitaldreamdoor.com/pages/best_bassguitar.html
this site had a load of these kind of lists[/QUOTE]
VERY pleased to see Queen and its members on may different lists :D Freddie made top male vocalist XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD
this site had a load of these kind of lists[/QUOTE]
VERY pleased to see Queen and its members on may different lists :D Freddie made top male vocalist XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD XD
My List
1. John Paul Jones
2. John Entwistle
3. Jack Bruce
4. Paul McCartney
5. John Mcvie
6. Roger Waters
7. John Deacon.
I saw Enwistle play with The Who in 2000 and my GOD! WOW! WOW! I've never seen anyone play like that. I also had the pleasure of seeing John Paul Jones play with his solo band a few years ago, magic!
Deacon was a solid bass player and I really enjoy his mid to late 70's style of playing. It's Late, Spead Your Wings, Dead on Time! Classic
1. John Paul Jones
2. John Entwistle
3. Jack Bruce
4. Paul McCartney
5. John Mcvie
6. Roger Waters
7. John Deacon.
I saw Enwistle play with The Who in 2000 and my GOD! WOW! WOW! I've never seen anyone play like that. I also had the pleasure of seeing John Paul Jones play with his solo band a few years ago, magic!
Deacon was a solid bass player and I really enjoy his mid to late 70's style of playing. It's Late, Spead Your Wings, Dead on Time! Classic
Fuck you. Deaky rules.
No one said he sucked, but there are better bass players. Deacon was a true musician, he knew how to play several instruments and he was a great song writer. Besides, it's just an opinion, there's no need to get so excited. lol
just to give my two cents worth on this topic......I'd put John somewhere solidly in what I would call the 'second tier'...
I think he's a dang good bassist, and really, underrated, but I dont think, in terms of sheer bass wizardry, he's quite on the level of a Geddy Lee or somebody like that.....(I'm a huge Rush fan as well, saw em live twice, Geddy rocked).....
Come to think of it, I've seen some awesome bassists in concert....Lee, Les Claypool (when Primus opened for Rush!), and Stu Hamm and Billy Sheehan (playing wiht Satriani and Vai)
I think he's a dang good bassist, and really, underrated, but I dont think, in terms of sheer bass wizardry, he's quite on the level of a Geddy Lee or somebody like that.....(I'm a huge Rush fan as well, saw em live twice, Geddy rocked).....
Come to think of it, I've seen some awesome bassists in concert....Lee, Les Claypool (when Primus opened for Rush!), and Stu Hamm and Billy Sheehan (playing wiht Satriani and Vai)