[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zeni wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]What about Amendment VIII? Prohibition of cruel and unusual punishment.
A moratorium was instituted in '76 because of this, New York has abolished the death penalty because it was ruled unconstitutional on this count (2004), same for Kansas and California. They do not rule something as 'unconstitutional' for nothing, you know.[/QUOTE]
A - That's not what you said the first time. You said "Your constitution guarantees the "Right To Life", as it was expressed in the Declaration Of Independence already, and so violates her own laws by executing people" - that is blatantly wrong. Now you've changed your argument.
B - Amendment V clearly states that no person shall "be deprived of life...without due process of law," which would then allow for the death penalty.
C - While a moratorium on the death penalty did occur, it has since be reinstated by the Supreme Court. The Court can and does change its opinion from time to time.
Also, Kansas, California, and New York all allow the death penalty, so I'm not sure where you heard they did not. A state might rule it "unconstitutional," but that means it goes against their own state constitution and not the federal constitution, which is what your argument is based on.
Better luck next time, Caspar.[/QUOTE]
You are years behind, really
New York Unconstitutional Ruling: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A47871-2005Apr12.html
Kansas: No executions since '76, though FORMALLY it would be said to exist
California Moratorium: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2006/12/15/judge_says_executions_unconstitutional/
Better luck next time, Zeni
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Keep trying, Caspar. Too many of your claims are either flat out wrong, or taken out of context.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=9&did=188#state
Calfornia - 657 inmates on death row
Kansas - 9
New York - 1
New York -
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=1046&scid=64
"New York’s highest court has ruled that a provision of the state’s capital punishment statute violates the state constitution"
Again, it is against the state's constitution, not the federal constitution as you so incorrectly argued.
California,
I quote from the article you linked -
"A federal judge who imposed a moratorium on executions in California ruled Friday that the state's method of lethal injection is unconstitutional because it violates the ban on cruel and unusual punishment."
The ruling is that lethal injection is wrong, not the death penalty.
Kansas -
"No executions since '76, though FORMALLY it would be said to exist"
9 people would say otherwise.
http://www.kscadp.org/death_row.htm
It will be at this point that you either ignore the thread and not respond anymore or lay into me with personal insults. Try something new for once and admit a mistake, Caspar. It's not that hard.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=9&did=188#state
Calfornia - 657 inmates on death row
Kansas - 9
New York - 1
New York -
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=1046&scid=64
"New York’s highest court has ruled that a provision of the state’s capital punishment statute violates the state constitution"
Again, it is against the state's constitution, not the federal constitution as you so incorrectly argued.
California,
I quote from the article you linked -
"A federal judge who imposed a moratorium on executions in California ruled Friday that the state's method of lethal injection is unconstitutional because it violates the ban on cruel and unusual punishment."
The ruling is that lethal injection is wrong, not the death penalty.
Kansas -
"No executions since '76, though FORMALLY it would be said to exist"
9 people would say otherwise.
http://www.kscadp.org/death_row.htm
It will be at this point that you either ignore the thread and not respond anymore or lay into me with personal insults. Try something new for once and admit a mistake, Caspar. It's not that hard.
Technically New York still has the death penalty. It has never been abolished in that state. True there is a court ordered moratorium in effect but it has never been abolished.
http://www.deadlinethemovie.com/state/NY/
http://www.deadlinethemovie.com/state/NY/
Kansas: inmates and executions are a difference.
California: now that there's a moratorium, there is a discussion to finish it altogether, check the news-archives.
New York: the state constitution has to be in line with federal constitution. Does show the death penalty is kinda fucked up.
Fine, you're right that the federal constitution doesn't explicitly forbid it, but the way you're making it look like I'm lying is very childish, especially as people can see for themselves that I'm right with the articles provided. That is very, very sad of you.
California: now that there's a moratorium, there is a discussion to finish it altogether, check the news-archives.
New York: the state constitution has to be in line with federal constitution. Does show the death penalty is kinda fucked up.
Fine, you're right that the federal constitution doesn't explicitly forbid it, but the way you're making it look like I'm lying is very childish, especially as people can see for themselves that I'm right with the articles provided. That is very, very sad of you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Fine, you're right that the federal constitution doesn't explicitly forbid it, but the way you're making it look like I'm lying is very childish, especially as people can see for themselves that I'm right with the articles provided. That is very, very sad of you.[/QUOTE]
That made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the laugh Thomas. Of course your right. Your always right.
Fine, you're right that the federal constitution doesn't explicitly forbid it, but the way you're making it look like I'm lying is very childish, especially as people can see for themselves that I'm right with the articles provided. That is very, very sad of you.[/QUOTE]
That made me laugh out loud. Thanks for the laugh Thomas. Of course your right. Your always right.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color = "crimson"> ThomasQuinn wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Fine, you're right that the federal constitution doesn't explicitly forbid it, but the way you're making it look like I'm lying is very childish, especially as people can see for themselves that I'm right with the articles provided. That is very, very sad of you.[/QUOTE]
Ha!
I never said you were lying; I said you were wrong, as even your own articles point out. If you want to pretend that you know it all, then you better know it all before you say things out here.
As for looking childish, that makes me smile, especially coming from you. You are a bully, Caspar, and every once in a while people need to stand up to your baseless claims. If the best you can do is call me childish, then so be it.
Fine, you're right that the federal constitution doesn't explicitly forbid it, but the way you're making it look like I'm lying is very childish, especially as people can see for themselves that I'm right with the articles provided. That is very, very sad of you.[/QUOTE]
Ha!
I never said you were lying; I said you were wrong, as even your own articles point out. If you want to pretend that you know it all, then you better know it all before you say things out here.
As for looking childish, that makes me smile, especially coming from you. You are a bully, Caspar, and every once in a while people need to stand up to your baseless claims. If the best you can do is call me childish, then so be it.
Baseless? Have you even READ the articles? I doubt it, by the sound of it.
I was referring to your initial claim, which you have since stated was incorrect.
Your subsequent statements are not baseless, which I concede, rather they are taken out of context. For instance, Kansas has not executed anyone since 1976, but between 1976 and 1994, Kansas had no death penalty. Considering how long the appeals process plays out, it is not surprising that Kansas has yet to execute anyone in the last 12 years. That's an important fact that you failed to mention.
I have said it before and I'll say it again: you are an intellegent person, Caspar, but you do not know everything. If you would actually take the time to discuss issues, rather than dictate opinion and insults, people would find you more appealing. But that means dropping the tough guy stance.
Your subsequent statements are not baseless, which I concede, rather they are taken out of context. For instance, Kansas has not executed anyone since 1976, but between 1976 and 1994, Kansas had no death penalty. Considering how long the appeals process plays out, it is not surprising that Kansas has yet to execute anyone in the last 12 years. That's an important fact that you failed to mention.
I have said it before and I'll say it again: you are an intellegent person, Caspar, but you do not know everything. If you would actually take the time to discuss issues, rather than dictate opinion and insults, people would find you more appealing. But that means dropping the tough guy stance.