[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<b><font color=gold>SMI<font color=1>TTY wrote: [/QUOTENAME]My favorite part is the fact that that guy is basically saying
"How dare they release an album I won't like. It's a mortal sin!!!1"[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i wonder if it is George W? lol. We will search for those Album-mongers and kill them.
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I also dont think that this project (album) would be any worth of Queen releases. Touring with P. Rogers is OK, but releasing new album - NO. Paul isnt so well known and authoritative, or with impresive vocals, what could make this project attain great succcess, which Queen are worth. I think this new album would be a crash, or something like that, comparing by Queen standarts. Return of the champions did prove this. So, there is even such possibility (I'm aware of this very much) that this project would slightly damage the image of Queen in all aspects, so I'd like them calling themselves as B. May, R. Taylor (ex Queen) and P. Rogers, that would be 100 percent true, so I dont see any arguments against this name. I'd like to see May and Taylor (as Queen) collaborating at least with Meat Loaf, Robbie Williams, George Michael, even Elton John, cause they are more famous, greater singers and could stand that success which Queen really earned. That's my point of view.
By the way what the cd called and when is that coming out ? Queen and PR still rocks ! freddie passed away john retired to be with all the ladies Move on that what brian and roger is doing :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I still don't understand how people can insist that Queen are F+B+R+J, when plenty of bands changed membership
over the years and kept their name. Someone, please explain to me why Queen are exempt from this.
[/QUOTE]
I could explain you, Sir GH, 'cause you are not right. First of all, I'm sorry for you that in your opinion Queen isnt something special, unique, different from what is ussual. On the contrary, I think so, and I believe some or most standarts, that could be aplied to others, could not be aplied to Queen. Second of all, do you imagine U2 without Bono, or Guns Roses without Axl? I dont. But I could easily imagine and even wouldnt notice if some kind of Foo Fighter's guitarist (except Dave Grol) would be changed. So, considering the success of changing band's member, we must consider the role of that member in the band overall, if he is vocalist, the only one vocalist, or drummer, solo or bass guitarist, is he songwriter, if so, is he the only one songwriter in the band, is he charismatic person, spirit of the band or no and other points.
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over the years and kept their name. Someone, please explain to me why Queen are exempt from this.
[/QUOTE]
I could explain you, Sir GH, 'cause you are not right. First of all, I'm sorry for you that in your opinion Queen isnt something special, unique, different from what is ussual. On the contrary, I think so, and I believe some or most standarts, that could be aplied to others, could not be aplied to Queen. Second of all, do you imagine U2 without Bono, or Guns Roses without Axl? I dont. But I could easily imagine and even wouldnt notice if some kind of Foo Fighter's guitarist (except Dave Grol) would be changed. So, considering the success of changing band's member, we must consider the role of that member in the band overall, if he is vocalist, the only one vocalist, or drummer, solo or bass guitarist, is he songwriter, if so, is he the only one songwriter in the band, is he charismatic person, spirit of the band or no and other points.
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Oh please no... we've had enough already.
Oh please no... we've had enough already.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"TO BE CONTINUED"
Oh please no... we've had enough already.[/QUOTE]
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees. Threads like these give me headaches. ;)
Oh please no... we've had enough already.[/QUOTE]
Yeeeeeeeeeeeeees. Threads like these give me headaches. ;)
I'm pretty certain that this isn't the first thread on this topic :) so I'll dig up my arguments against how people defend the "new" Queen, for what it's worth, from a previous thread.
The "Other big name bands have had lineup changes and carried on" argument. True, but Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Van Halen, Guns n Roses, The Rolling Stones and AC/DC were all relatively young men hitting their musical primes with careers to establish and bills to pay for the rest of their life. For example, neither Pink Floyd nor Genesis were superstar bands (creatively superb, sales wise, no way) when Syd Barrett and Peter Gabriel left the respective bands. Queen were multi-millionaires with 30 year career
The "Freddie WASN'T Queen" argument. True, Freddie alone wasn't Queen, but he brought a lot of "arguably" to the table. He wrote what was "arguably" the greatest song of the 20th century. He wrote what is "arguably" the greatest sports anthem of all time. He was "arguably" the greatest singer of the rock era. He was "arguably" the most diverse, and successfully diverse writer of the rock era. He was "arguably" the greatest front man of all time. And he "arguably" delivered the greatest performance from a rock star (a la Hendrix at Woodstock) of his generation at Live Aid. When people say Freddie wasn't Queen, they inevitably compare him to people in other bands who were replaced. But comparing Mercury to a troubled, drug addled guitarist (Syd Barrett)from Pink Floyd, a rhythm guitarist (Brian Jones) for The Stones, or the second guitarist (Izzy Stradlin) in G' n' R' is a fantastic disrespect towards Freddie Mercury.
The "They can call it Queen if they want to" argument. True, they can, as Brian and Roger were in Queen and we weren't. But, The Beatles are generally acclaimed as the greatest band ever. Led Zeppelin is generally acclaimed as the greatest heavy rock band ever. Queen is the greatest pop/rock band ever. The Beatles and Zeppelin died the minute that one of their members died. Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Robert Plant, Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones can go on as
The Beatles or Led Zeppelin. They've chosen not to go on, and respect what they had as a special, once in a lifetime thing. For Brian and Roger to carry on is their right, and certainly not disrespectful to John and Freddie, just a different approach than their biggest peers who went the other way in certain situations.
Oddly enough, after seeing Brian on The Hour in Canada, he's so passionate and sincere, for the first time since the QPR lineup was announced, I'm happy that he's carrying on with the Queen banner for his sake and happiness. However, at the end of the day, I think his reasons for carrying on the name is strictly to help sell albums and the Queen brand. Brian acknowledged when he was on The Hour that using the Queen name was controversial and that lots of people were against it. He then gave an impassioned plea (I'm paraphrasing here) saying "we're musicians, do you not want us to make music, and wither away?" Nobody wants Brian and Roger to wither away, but really, and Brian is my favourite Queen writer by far, Freddie defined Queen. His eccentricities, odd key choices, classical influences and unique phrasing made Queen different than their peers. They can call it Queen, but it won't be Queen music without Freddie.
The "Other big name bands have had lineup changes and carried on" argument. True, but Black Sabbath, Deep Purple, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Van Halen, Guns n Roses, The Rolling Stones and AC/DC were all relatively young men hitting their musical primes with careers to establish and bills to pay for the rest of their life. For example, neither Pink Floyd nor Genesis were superstar bands (creatively superb, sales wise, no way) when Syd Barrett and Peter Gabriel left the respective bands. Queen were multi-millionaires with 30 year career
The "Freddie WASN'T Queen" argument. True, Freddie alone wasn't Queen, but he brought a lot of "arguably" to the table. He wrote what was "arguably" the greatest song of the 20th century. He wrote what is "arguably" the greatest sports anthem of all time. He was "arguably" the greatest singer of the rock era. He was "arguably" the most diverse, and successfully diverse writer of the rock era. He was "arguably" the greatest front man of all time. And he "arguably" delivered the greatest performance from a rock star (a la Hendrix at Woodstock) of his generation at Live Aid. When people say Freddie wasn't Queen, they inevitably compare him to people in other bands who were replaced. But comparing Mercury to a troubled, drug addled guitarist (Syd Barrett)from Pink Floyd, a rhythm guitarist (Brian Jones) for The Stones, or the second guitarist (Izzy Stradlin) in G' n' R' is a fantastic disrespect towards Freddie Mercury.
The "They can call it Queen if they want to" argument. True, they can, as Brian and Roger were in Queen and we weren't. But, The Beatles are generally acclaimed as the greatest band ever. Led Zeppelin is generally acclaimed as the greatest heavy rock band ever. Queen is the greatest pop/rock band ever. The Beatles and Zeppelin died the minute that one of their members died. Paul McCartney, Ringo Starr, Robert Plant, Jimmy Page and John Paul Jones can go on as
The Beatles or Led Zeppelin. They've chosen not to go on, and respect what they had as a special, once in a lifetime thing. For Brian and Roger to carry on is their right, and certainly not disrespectful to John and Freddie, just a different approach than their biggest peers who went the other way in certain situations.
Oddly enough, after seeing Brian on The Hour in Canada, he's so passionate and sincere, for the first time since the QPR lineup was announced, I'm happy that he's carrying on with the Queen banner for his sake and happiness. However, at the end of the day, I think his reasons for carrying on the name is strictly to help sell albums and the Queen brand. Brian acknowledged when he was on The Hour that using the Queen name was controversial and that lots of people were against it. He then gave an impassioned plea (I'm paraphrasing here) saying "we're musicians, do you not want us to make music, and wither away?" Nobody wants Brian and Roger to wither away, but really, and Brian is my favourite Queen writer by far, Freddie defined Queen. His eccentricities, odd key choices, classical influences and unique phrasing made Queen different than their peers. They can call it Queen, but it won't be Queen music without Freddie.
^ YES!!!
Man, I wish I could write like that.
Man, I wish I could write like that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Dr. Perry Cox wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If I go to Hell for listening to Q+PR, does that mean I'm going to be where Freddie is ?
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!!
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>*Space Ace* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Dr. Perry Cox wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If I go to Hell for listening to Q+PR, does that mean I'm going to be where Freddie is ?
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!![/QUOTE]
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeith Mooooooooooooooooooon!!!! :D :D :D
My hyper monkey.
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!![/QUOTE]
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeith Mooooooooooooooooooon!!!! :D :D :D
My hyper monkey.
can leak's fly?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>*Space Ace* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Dr. Perry Cox wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If I go to Hell for listening to Q+PR, does that mean I'm going to be where Freddie is ?
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!![/QUOTE]
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeith Mooooooooooooooooooon!!!! :D :D :D
My hyper monkey. [/QUOTE]
Uhhhhh... Jess...? Whaddya mean...?
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!![/QUOTE]
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeith Mooooooooooooooooooon!!!! :D :D :D
My hyper monkey. [/QUOTE]
Uhhhhh... Jess...? Whaddya mean...?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Boy Thomas Raker wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Oddly enough, after seeing Brian on The Hour in Canada, he's so passionate and sincere,
(...) I'm happy that he's carrying on with the Queen banner for his sake and happiness.
(...) They can call it Queen, but it won't be Queen music without Freddie.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your excellent, sensible and articulate post.
If I can add my half cent: I for one have known for years how passionate and sincere both BHM and RMT are, and since the Q+PR project was first announced I've been truly happy that they'd carry on with the Queen banner.
Never for a single second I deluded myself that, without the unrivalled talents of FM (and JRD - makes a lot of difference to the sound), it would be anywhere near the Queen music I'd learnt to love -
But it's good music all the same, and oddily enough I think it helps keep the Queen name and legacy current and alive and talked about with the young generations.
Memory is the only minor form of immortality we're allowed: we really die when there's no longer a living memory of us, someone who remembers our name and can tell our story to those who never met us.
When all that is left is a pic and a few words on a grave, then we really are lost in the past forever.
Music shares the same destiny: a song dies when there's no longer anyone singing and playing it and making others sing it with passion and meaning and a knowledge of where it came from.
When all that is left is a record and a video, then it's really lost in the past forever.
Which would be just too sad if happened to Freddie and his music.
I feel that, oddily enough, using the Queen name is helping keep the memory alive, not just the record sales.
Half cent over, sorry for the intrusion, not meaning to fuel flames, just feeling a bit sad tonight, thanks for your patience ...
(...) I'm happy that he's carrying on with the Queen banner for his sake and happiness.
(...) They can call it Queen, but it won't be Queen music without Freddie.[/QUOTE]Thanks for your excellent, sensible and articulate post.
If I can add my half cent: I for one have known for years how passionate and sincere both BHM and RMT are, and since the Q+PR project was first announced I've been truly happy that they'd carry on with the Queen banner.
Never for a single second I deluded myself that, without the unrivalled talents of FM (and JRD - makes a lot of difference to the sound), it would be anywhere near the Queen music I'd learnt to love -
But it's good music all the same, and oddily enough I think it helps keep the Queen name and legacy current and alive and talked about with the young generations.
Memory is the only minor form of immortality we're allowed: we really die when there's no longer a living memory of us, someone who remembers our name and can tell our story to those who never met us.
When all that is left is a pic and a few words on a grave, then we really are lost in the past forever.
Music shares the same destiny: a song dies when there's no longer anyone singing and playing it and making others sing it with passion and meaning and a knowledge of where it came from.
When all that is left is a record and a video, then it's really lost in the past forever.
Which would be just too sad if happened to Freddie and his music.
I feel that, oddily enough, using the Queen name is helping keep the memory alive, not just the record sales.
Half cent over, sorry for the intrusion, not meaning to fuel flames, just feeling a bit sad tonight, thanks for your patience ...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>*Space Ace* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color="#FF00FF">its_a_hard_life wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=black>*Space Ace* wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Dr. Perry Cox wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=red>The Audacity of Charles wrote: [/QUOTENAME]If I go to Hell for listening to Q+PR, does that mean I'm going to be where Freddie is ?
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!![/QUOTE]
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeith Mooooooooooooooooooon!!!! :D :D :D
My hyper monkey. [/QUOTE]
Uhhhhh... Jess...? Whaddya mean...?[/QUOTE]
Well, ya know the rumors about Keithy Weithy, don't ya?!?!?! :P
He use to drive his car in to swimming pools and windows... Even if it wasn't true, in all honesty, I believe the man WOULD do that if he had the chance to, or the desire.... xD
I mean, you don't have to look twice to see how this guy works... He was a timebomb about to explode. :P
... Or is that a different level of Hell ?
... Is it walking distance ?
...
I always do get them mixed up...
Regardless, Hell should be a fantastic place - I hear that anyone who was anyone is there.[/QUOTE]
Shh shh, you're interrupting my conversation with Zebonka about The Who! In fact, this thread is now about The Who and all their greatness.[/QUOTE]
Right on! Long Live The Who!![/QUOTE]
Keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeith Mooooooooooooooooooon!!!! :D :D :D
My hyper monkey. [/QUOTE]
Uhhhhh... Jess...? Whaddya mean...?[/QUOTE]
Well, ya know the rumors about Keithy Weithy, don't ya?!?!?! :P
He use to drive his car in to swimming pools and windows... Even if it wasn't true, in all honesty, I believe the man WOULD do that if he had the chance to, or the desire.... xD
I mean, you don't have to look twice to see how this guy works... He was a timebomb about to explode. :P
Great post Boy Thomas Raker