Here we go again Bob....lol
Exactly what i expected in the replys...bit of a mix.
A lot of you know how i work :).
Right listen up guys
The same thing happened with your education of lossless audio.
You slammed me ,& others for shitting on your mp3s this way.....you didnt see it.
I/we were up front the same way with that and in time you all came around and saw the benefit of flac,shn and lossless & now this board has never seen so much lossless audio since the time of the dinosaurs...Yes?...true isn't it?
You learned how to keep the integrity of the file,how to rip losslessly,how to convert to a lossless format.. so that in years to come "that show" would not dissapear into the abyss of obliterated quality how so many have already done.
No-one would upload or share anything because they were afraid that some QZ member would lossy it up and pollute the trading circles with it.Again true yes?
These were mpegs..they should of stayed mpegs.
You know it!
So don't bash the person that says the truth and if you take offence for me being direct ,to the point and not pussying about when i say it................gets some balls,it's not me who needs to grow up.
You didn't listen if i/we was all polite about it on the audio front & if you can't read up about it yourselves 1st,it seems we have to do it the hard way for the video as well.
I have no problem with sharing of formats ...as long as they were what they were originally and that there are no better known versions freely available.
THIS ..has gone through another stage of lossy & i wonder how long it will take before someone rips this "DVD" to VCD and shares that.
Then that will be made into a "DVD".
Eventually you will see just blurs THEN you all fooking whinge that there are no good versions about....i wonder why!!
See the cycle yet
PS:...manuel
Pratt isn't a swear word..its sort of what one of your friends would call you when you were not being clever.Would you take offence at that?
Trust me...i know a few swear words...lol
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Here we go again Bob....lol
Exactly what i expected in the replys...bit of a mix.
A lot of you know how i work :).
Right listen up guys
The same thing happened with your education of lossless audio.
You slammed me ,& others for shitting on your mp3s this way.....you didnt see it.
I/we were up front the same way with that and in time you all came around and saw the benefit of flac,shn and lossless & now this board has never seen so much lossless audio since the time of the dinosaurs...Yes?...true isn't it?
You learned how to keep the integrity of the file,how to rip losslessly,how to convert to a lossless format.. so that in years to come "that show" would not dissapear into the abyss of obliterated quality how so many have already done.
No-one would upload or share anything because they were afraid that some QZ member would lossy it up and pollute the trading circles with it.Again true yes?
These were mpegs..they should of stayed mpegs.
You know it!
So don't bash the person that says the truth and if you take offence for me being direct ,to the point and not pussying about when i say it................gets some balls,it's not me who needs to grow up.
You didn't listen if i/we was all polite about it on the audio front & if you can't read up about it yourselves 1st,it seems we have to do it the hard way for the video as well.
I have no problem with sharing of formats ...as long as they were what they were originally and that there are no better known versions freely available.
THIS ..has gone through another stage of lossy & i wonder how long it will take before someone rips this "DVD" to VCD and shares that.
Then that will be made into a "DVD".
Eventually you will see just blurs THEN you all fooking whinge that there are no good versions about....i wonder why!!
See the cycle yet
PS:...manuel
Pratt isn't a swear word..its sort of what one of your friends would call you when you were not being clever.Would you take offence at that?
Trust me...i know a few swear words...lol[/QUOTE]
Damn "mister 928".. you talk like a nerd. (nerd is not an insult if you check in one of your billion dictionnaries or manuels)Hahahaha.. Poor you :)
Exactly what i expected in the replys...bit of a mix.
A lot of you know how i work :).
Right listen up guys
The same thing happened with your education of lossless audio.
You slammed me ,& others for shitting on your mp3s this way.....you didnt see it.
I/we were up front the same way with that and in time you all came around and saw the benefit of flac,shn and lossless & now this board has never seen so much lossless audio since the time of the dinosaurs...Yes?...true isn't it?
You learned how to keep the integrity of the file,how to rip losslessly,how to convert to a lossless format.. so that in years to come "that show" would not dissapear into the abyss of obliterated quality how so many have already done.
No-one would upload or share anything because they were afraid that some QZ member would lossy it up and pollute the trading circles with it.Again true yes?
These were mpegs..they should of stayed mpegs.
You know it!
So don't bash the person that says the truth and if you take offence for me being direct ,to the point and not pussying about when i say it................gets some balls,it's not me who needs to grow up.
You didn't listen if i/we was all polite about it on the audio front & if you can't read up about it yourselves 1st,it seems we have to do it the hard way for the video as well.
I have no problem with sharing of formats ...as long as they were what they were originally and that there are no better known versions freely available.
THIS ..has gone through another stage of lossy & i wonder how long it will take before someone rips this "DVD" to VCD and shares that.
Then that will be made into a "DVD".
Eventually you will see just blurs THEN you all fooking whinge that there are no good versions about....i wonder why!!
See the cycle yet
PS:...manuel
Pratt isn't a swear word..its sort of what one of your friends would call you when you were not being clever.Would you take offence at that?
Trust me...i know a few swear words...lol[/QUOTE]
Damn "mister 928".. you talk like a nerd. (nerd is not an insult if you check in one of your billion dictionnaries or manuels)Hahahaha.. Poor you :)
& you act like a cunt <- now thats a swear word ya shit for fuck ass wipe wanker.
See the difference when i want to offend..."Hahahaha".
Un-educated you :)
See the difference when i want to offend..."Hahahaha".
Un-educated you :)
thats what I meant... if you don´t have anything to say regarding the topic just save your breath and be quiet! :-/
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
We do not have such sticky topics because the website owner does not require any standard formats by people who share material. It was never stated by Richard that only certain formats are allowed to be shared, it's not website policy. [/QUOTE]
My intention was not to tell the ppl that only certain formats are allowed.. but many might not know anything about formats and they could learn easily sth about it if there were any type of explanation offered here. That´d be better than yelling at them and as a side-effect lossless might be accepted automatically.
We don´t do us and this "movement" a favour by insulting the ppl instead of just educating them.
Many of those who might not know better are more of deterred than encouraged here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
We do not have such sticky topics because the website owner does not require any standard formats by people who share material. It was never stated by Richard that only certain formats are allowed to be shared, it's not website policy. [/QUOTE]
My intention was not to tell the ppl that only certain formats are allowed.. but many might not know anything about formats and they could learn easily sth about it if there were any type of explanation offered here. That´d be better than yelling at them and as a side-effect lossless might be accepted automatically.
We don´t do us and this "movement" a favour by insulting the ppl instead of just educating them.
Many of those who might not know better are more of deterred than encouraged here.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]drwinston99 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Because instead of making salient points and educating people considerately, they have to be pricks about it.[/QUOTE]
I've been considerate enough for years. It's not my fault that so many people still aren't catching on. Look at my history of posting in this section of the forum. There have been many rational discussions on the subject, and it was always like US politics: two sides completely opposed to one another with little middle ground.
One time, a few of us spent many days slowly and calmly explaining why lossless was better than lossy, and people still refused to listen, and sunk to insults, calling us "ungrateful" and "selfish" because we simply noted what was wrong with lossy shares. If you want to get technical, I personally wasn't being ungrateful because for just about every mp3-sourced recording that has ever been shared here, I own a lossless copy, probably with lower tape generation.
You will find people with reasons to be pro-lossless, but to this day, we have never once heard a rational reason to be pro-lossy. All we've heard are personal attacks against those who have quality standards. These people choose to be ignorant and take these things personally, even though every time, we have gone out of our way to note that it wasn't a personal attack against the sharer, since they usually don't know the difference. There are only a very few people who post mp3s purely out of spite against pro-lossless people. We all know who they are. I digress.
So, since people didn't listen, we started sharing a lot of concerts in FLAC, and now, the majority of the shares here are lossless, with few people paying attention to the lossy ones these days. All we want is for this place to have quality standards. Our goal is for everyone to have the best possible recording of each show. That isn't going to happen when lossy and improperly/insufficiently labeled recordings continue to be shared. It really is as simple as that. If anyone disagrees and insists for whatever reason that a lossy recording is sufficient, then all one can do is show them an alternative, and then they can decide for themselves which is better - free of personal attacks. That's all I've been doing, and all I'll continue to do.
I've been considerate enough for years. It's not my fault that so many people still aren't catching on. Look at my history of posting in this section of the forum. There have been many rational discussions on the subject, and it was always like US politics: two sides completely opposed to one another with little middle ground.
One time, a few of us spent many days slowly and calmly explaining why lossless was better than lossy, and people still refused to listen, and sunk to insults, calling us "ungrateful" and "selfish" because we simply noted what was wrong with lossy shares. If you want to get technical, I personally wasn't being ungrateful because for just about every mp3-sourced recording that has ever been shared here, I own a lossless copy, probably with lower tape generation.
You will find people with reasons to be pro-lossless, but to this day, we have never once heard a rational reason to be pro-lossy. All we've heard are personal attacks against those who have quality standards. These people choose to be ignorant and take these things personally, even though every time, we have gone out of our way to note that it wasn't a personal attack against the sharer, since they usually don't know the difference. There are only a very few people who post mp3s purely out of spite against pro-lossless people. We all know who they are. I digress.
So, since people didn't listen, we started sharing a lot of concerts in FLAC, and now, the majority of the shares here are lossless, with few people paying attention to the lossy ones these days. All we want is for this place to have quality standards. Our goal is for everyone to have the best possible recording of each show. That isn't going to happen when lossy and improperly/insufficiently labeled recordings continue to be shared. It really is as simple as that. If anyone disagrees and insists for whatever reason that a lossy recording is sufficient, then all one can do is show them an alternative, and then they can decide for themselves which is better - free of personal attacks. That's all I've been doing, and all I'll continue to do.
On other websites you can see how often a topic was opened - just check on QOL. You will see that a topic may be read by hundreds of people but only a few take part in the discussion. An open forum is not like a class room where you learn something and proceed from there. If you share on the internet you start from scratch all the time. You have to explain things all over again to many people who did not find or did not understand the sticky topics or the FAQs.
It's not helpful to call people names and insult a sharer because he upfaked some mpgs. He did not mean any harm, he only wanted to give something back. However, if people are called names and insulted we only scare them off.
Basically, Steve said it all:
"Manners (and patience), however, are something that seem to be checked in at the door when signing into the forums here. Shame, as it really does drag down the site/forum down and makes it a chose to read at times when it should be the reverse"
It's not helpful to call people names and insult a sharer because he upfaked some mpgs. He did not mean any harm, he only wanted to give something back. However, if people are called names and insulted we only scare them off.
Basically, Steve said it all:
"Manners (and patience), however, are something that seem to be checked in at the door when signing into the forums here. Shame, as it really does drag down the site/forum down and makes it a chose to read at times when it should be the reverse"
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It's not helpful to call people names and insult a sharer because he upfaked some mpgs. He did not mean any harm, he only wanted to give something back. However, if people are called names and insulted we only scare them off.[/QUOTE]
Yes...
But if there was a sticky in the announce forum explaining the differences between lossy and lossless audio and video, with pros and cons of each, then people could decide from the beginning which is the correct way. It seems that most people aren't aware of these things when they first come here, so I think that would be a great starting point. After a while, we wouldn't even need to ban lossy recordings, because the majority of people would find it unacceptable.
We need to promote quality... not quantity. We don't need 10 versions of "Paris 79" shared here. We need one version of 2-28-79 audio, one 3-1-79 audio, and one DVD which is a compilation of the three nights. If everyone understood this and continued to seed these three recordings, then these shows would never need to be shared again, unless of course, a better recording emerged, which is always welcome. :)
Yes...
But if there was a sticky in the announce forum explaining the differences between lossy and lossless audio and video, with pros and cons of each, then people could decide from the beginning which is the correct way. It seems that most people aren't aware of these things when they first come here, so I think that would be a great starting point. After a while, we wouldn't even need to ban lossy recordings, because the majority of people would find it unacceptable.
We need to promote quality... not quantity. We don't need 10 versions of "Paris 79" shared here. We need one version of 2-28-79 audio, one 3-1-79 audio, and one DVD which is a compilation of the three nights. If everyone understood this and continued to seed these three recordings, then these shows would never need to be shared again, unless of course, a better recording emerged, which is always welcome. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Manuel Benes wrote: [/QUOTENAME]First of all thanks for your nice words. you make me feel really welcome here. heard a lot of rumours about queenzone and the always nice people here yelling and swearing to each other all the time.
but after some years now and some very funny, sometimes disturbing post i saw here this proves again that the rumours are more than true.
So, i'm no expert on making a dvd. And i really appreciate your comments about my work on the original files. I know now that i did it wrong.
All i wanted to do is that the files can be watched by everyone with a dvd-player.
I never posted a torrent here before. But i downloaded a lot in the last years. I never converted flac-files into mp3. I always keep my torrents online as long as my bandwith allows it. i also made some covers for everyone to use. and now i wanted to post something new here.
And if to bluster is all you can understand here - stick your pratt where the sun don't shine![/QUOTE]
I think you resumed what this place is. And 928 is a moron with no manners.
but after some years now and some very funny, sometimes disturbing post i saw here this proves again that the rumours are more than true.
So, i'm no expert on making a dvd. And i really appreciate your comments about my work on the original files. I know now that i did it wrong.
All i wanted to do is that the files can be watched by everyone with a dvd-player.
I never posted a torrent here before. But i downloaded a lot in the last years. I never converted flac-files into mp3. I always keep my torrents online as long as my bandwith allows it. i also made some covers for everyone to use. and now i wanted to post something new here.
And if to bluster is all you can understand here - stick your pratt where the sun don't shine![/QUOTE]
I think you resumed what this place is. And 928 is a moron with no manners.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Armando Alejandro Estrada wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And 928 is a moron with no manners.[/QUOTE]
No... he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum, but he just isn't one of the most diplomatic ones.
No... he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum, but he just isn't one of the most diplomatic ones.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
But if there was a sticky in the announce forum explaining the differences between lossy and lossless audio and video, with pros and cons of each, then people could decide from the beginning which is the correct way. It seems that most people aren't aware of these things when they first come here, so I think that would be a great starting point. After a while, we wouldn't even need to ban lossy recordings, because the majority of people would find it unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
totally approve of this post.
Its not about banning sth or dictating the ppl what they should share. It´s about giving those who don´t know the differences between the various formats an opportunity to learn it... and even more important: doing it without insulting: An Info-topic doesn´t harm anybody ;-) ^^
But if there was a sticky in the announce forum explaining the differences between lossy and lossless audio and video, with pros and cons of each, then people could decide from the beginning which is the correct way. It seems that most people aren't aware of these things when they first come here, so I think that would be a great starting point. After a while, we wouldn't even need to ban lossy recordings, because the majority of people would find it unacceptable.[/QUOTE]
totally approve of this post.
Its not about banning sth or dictating the ppl what they should share. It´s about giving those who don´t know the differences between the various formats an opportunity to learn it... and even more important: doing it without insulting: An Info-topic doesn´t harm anybody ;-) ^^
OK. Let's forget about the swearing and yelling-thing for a while. I said it before and i will say it again - thanks for the critics - they are really welcome!! I will not convert any mpeg-files to DVD in the future again. I learned that now! Thanks for the tips - i really mean it!
But i have one "technical" question now for all you experts out there.
I have a Hardware-DVD-Recorder where i can record my old VHS-Tapes on DVD. Always heard about "saving" the Tape to DVD, not "convert" it.
So if i record my VHS Tape to the Harddisk of the DVD-Recorder - it is one big mpeg-file! Than add chapters and a menu and save it on DVD - is it as good as the VHS-Tape or "lossy"? As said, i'm no expert in this and with my own eyes i can see no difference between the VHS-Tape-quality and the one on DVD. Of course it depends on the original quality.
But i saved some old Queen-VHS like "Magic Years" on DVD and it looks great, in my opinion the same as the VHS. No dramatic difference!
Thanks - Manuel
But i have one "technical" question now for all you experts out there.
I have a Hardware-DVD-Recorder where i can record my old VHS-Tapes on DVD. Always heard about "saving" the Tape to DVD, not "convert" it.
So if i record my VHS Tape to the Harddisk of the DVD-Recorder - it is one big mpeg-file! Than add chapters and a menu and save it on DVD - is it as good as the VHS-Tape or "lossy"? As said, i'm no expert in this and with my own eyes i can see no difference between the VHS-Tape-quality and the one on DVD. Of course it depends on the original quality.
But i saved some old Queen-VHS like "Magic Years" on DVD and it looks great, in my opinion the same as the VHS. No dramatic difference!
Thanks - Manuel
thank you!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Manuel Benes wrote: [/QUOTENAME]OK. Let's forget about the swearing and yelling-thing for a while. I said it before and i will say it again - thanks for the critics - they are really welcome!! I will not convert any mpeg-files to DVD in the future again. I learned that now! Thanks for the tips - i really mean it!
But i have one "technical" question now for all you experts out there.
I have a Hardware-DVD-Recorder where i can record my old VHS-Tapes on DVD. Always heard about "saving" the Tape to DVD, not "convert" it.
So if i record my VHS Tape to the Harddisk of the DVD-Recorder - it is one big mpeg-file! Than add chapters and a menu and save it on DVD - is it as good as the VHS-Tape or "lossy"? As said, i'm no expert in this and with my own eyes i can see no difference between the VHS-Tape-quality and the one on DVD. Of course it depends on the original quality.
But i saved some old Queen-VHS like "Magic Years" on DVD and it looks great, in my opinion the same as the VHS. No dramatic difference!
Thanks - Manuel[/QUOTE]
This is acceptable Manuel.
Mpeg 2 is in itself a lossy format but we try to keep it the best that we can.
The least lossy way to transfer VHS to DVD is to use an S-VHS player ,but you are ok with what you are doing.
Try not to record more than 2 hours onto 1 disc and when possible split a 2 hour show onto 2 discs.Then the bit sampling rate will be the best you can get and the audio will be uncompressed so no reconversion takes place on that front.
You will not make 1 big mpeg file ,you will make 3 or 4 VOB files that will come with IFO & BUP files.They stand for Information and Back Up...you need those,they tell the DVD player what to do,where the chapters are etc.
To rip your new DVD to the PC look for a program called DVD Decrypter...its free.
You can just copy & paste the folders from the DVD to the desktop but its not a safe way...you could get errors
It is a fine difference this way to what you did.
I appologise if you felt i was too strong.
At least you took the info in 1st time...it took 2 years for us to educate members with lossless audio as most had an I.Q of 4.
Thanks manuel,i look forward to seeing your VHS transfers.Need any help...just shout ;)
But i have one "technical" question now for all you experts out there.
I have a Hardware-DVD-Recorder where i can record my old VHS-Tapes on DVD. Always heard about "saving" the Tape to DVD, not "convert" it.
So if i record my VHS Tape to the Harddisk of the DVD-Recorder - it is one big mpeg-file! Than add chapters and a menu and save it on DVD - is it as good as the VHS-Tape or "lossy"? As said, i'm no expert in this and with my own eyes i can see no difference between the VHS-Tape-quality and the one on DVD. Of course it depends on the original quality.
But i saved some old Queen-VHS like "Magic Years" on DVD and it looks great, in my opinion the same as the VHS. No dramatic difference!
Thanks - Manuel[/QUOTE]
This is acceptable Manuel.
Mpeg 2 is in itself a lossy format but we try to keep it the best that we can.
The least lossy way to transfer VHS to DVD is to use an S-VHS player ,but you are ok with what you are doing.
Try not to record more than 2 hours onto 1 disc and when possible split a 2 hour show onto 2 discs.Then the bit sampling rate will be the best you can get and the audio will be uncompressed so no reconversion takes place on that front.
You will not make 1 big mpeg file ,you will make 3 or 4 VOB files that will come with IFO & BUP files.They stand for Information and Back Up...you need those,they tell the DVD player what to do,where the chapters are etc.
To rip your new DVD to the PC look for a program called DVD Decrypter...its free.
You can just copy & paste the folders from the DVD to the desktop but its not a safe way...you could get errors
It is a fine difference this way to what you did.
I appologise if you felt i was too strong.
At least you took the info in 1st time...it took 2 years for us to educate members with lossless audio as most had an I.Q of 4.
Thanks manuel,i look forward to seeing your VHS transfers.Need any help...just shout ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Armando Alejandro Estrada wrote: [/QUOTENAME]And 928 is a moron with no manners.[/QUOTE]
No... he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum, but he just isn't one of the most diplomatic ones.
[/QUOTE]
An intelligent man would get a point across and educate without being so arrogant, rude and offensive to a person who is atempting to share something with others.
Maybe requesting that the mpeg files be shared instead and explaining why would have been better. I understand and agree with the sentiment but not in the manner.
I still suspect that Mr 928 is attempting to ingratiate himself with those that he sees as the QZ Big-Hitters and spouts the same old aggressive and divisive stuff thread after thread because that's all he can offer and thats what some Queenzoners' seem to want to hear.
"You know how I work" is not an excuse for putting off other potential uploaders who wish to be part of what is becoming a very divisive community.
Not all MP3 and other lossy formats will pollute your precious trading pool. Some people just want to hear the music and enjoy it for themselves.
No... he's one of the most intelligent people on this forum, but he just isn't one of the most diplomatic ones.
[/QUOTE]
An intelligent man would get a point across and educate without being so arrogant, rude and offensive to a person who is atempting to share something with others.
Maybe requesting that the mpeg files be shared instead and explaining why would have been better. I understand and agree with the sentiment but not in the manner.
I still suspect that Mr 928 is attempting to ingratiate himself with those that he sees as the QZ Big-Hitters and spouts the same old aggressive and divisive stuff thread after thread because that's all he can offer and thats what some Queenzoners' seem to want to hear.
"You know how I work" is not an excuse for putting off other potential uploaders who wish to be part of what is becoming a very divisive community.
Not all MP3 and other lossy formats will pollute your precious trading pool. Some people just want to hear the music and enjoy it for themselves.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Manic wrote: [/QUOTENAME]An intelligent man would get a point across and educate without being so arrogant, rude and offensive to a person who is atempting to share something with others.[/QUOTE]
Intelligence and conduct are two different things. If I may speak for him, 928 has been a very eloquent poster in the past, as was his last post in this topic. But he has just become frustrated with the way many QZers refuse to even entertain the positives of lossless audio and video. We have won over Manuel, and surely there will be more.
[QUOTE]"You know how I work" is not an excuse for putting off other potential uploaders who wish to be part of what is becoming a very divisive community.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the community is in a much better state now than it was say, two years ago. Back then, maybe half a dozen of us were fighting against a majority who wanted mp3s only because the files were smaller. Today, I'd say at least half of the people in the announce forum are aware of what the term "lossless" means. We just aren't seeing posts from many of them, because they're still trying to be diplomatic, and don't want to add to the arguments. So, people like myself and 928 speak out, and we get all the heat. But I'm happy to do it, as people like Manuel make it all worth while. Technology is moving forwards, not backwards, so people must learn how to preserve the quality of their recordings since it is possible, and not difficult to do.
[QUOTE]Not all MP3 and other lossy formats will pollute your precious trading pool. Some people just want to hear the music and enjoy it for themselves.[/QUOTE]
If you had a choice between a 128 kbps mp3 and a FLAC file, which would you take, and why?
Please don't turn this into "mp3 is better than nothing". "Nothing" isn't in the equation, because there is a choice between two things. If you believe that lossy files should have a place, and you're convinced that they will not put a damper on the quest to circulate the best possible versions of each concert, then I'd like to know your reasoning behind that.
Intelligence and conduct are two different things. If I may speak for him, 928 has been a very eloquent poster in the past, as was his last post in this topic. But he has just become frustrated with the way many QZers refuse to even entertain the positives of lossless audio and video. We have won over Manuel, and surely there will be more.
[QUOTE]"You know how I work" is not an excuse for putting off other potential uploaders who wish to be part of what is becoming a very divisive community.[/QUOTE]
Actually, the community is in a much better state now than it was say, two years ago. Back then, maybe half a dozen of us were fighting against a majority who wanted mp3s only because the files were smaller. Today, I'd say at least half of the people in the announce forum are aware of what the term "lossless" means. We just aren't seeing posts from many of them, because they're still trying to be diplomatic, and don't want to add to the arguments. So, people like myself and 928 speak out, and we get all the heat. But I'm happy to do it, as people like Manuel make it all worth while. Technology is moving forwards, not backwards, so people must learn how to preserve the quality of their recordings since it is possible, and not difficult to do.
[QUOTE]Not all MP3 and other lossy formats will pollute your precious trading pool. Some people just want to hear the music and enjoy it for themselves.[/QUOTE]
If you had a choice between a 128 kbps mp3 and a FLAC file, which would you take, and why?
Please don't turn this into "mp3 is better than nothing". "Nothing" isn't in the equation, because there is a choice between two things. If you believe that lossy files should have a place, and you're convinced that they will not put a damper on the quest to circulate the best possible versions of each concert, then I'd like to know your reasoning behind that.