[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]928 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Thanks manuel,i look forward to seeing your VHS transfers.Need any help...just shout ;)[/QUOTE]
Sorry, but i think i will not post my VHS transfers because they are made from official available VHS from the 80's and 90's - as Magic Years, Live in Rio, Live in Budapest and so on.
I only made them to "save" them on DVD.
But thanks for your tipps!
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I think we have to remember that QZ is a place for common Queenfans and not only for collectors...
There might be a lot of ppl out there who are just not interested in the high quality standards collectors feel bound to. I respect that as long as no lossy material is converted back to "lossless" formats and shared here as "collectors-stuff".
To avoid that we just need a sticky topic explaining the differences between the various formats which prevends those, who don´t know, from doing that. btw.. most who wanna share lossless won´t use a lossy copy as a source anyway cause they might allready be aware of the different formats and the nonsense of converting mp3 to flac for example. The few who don´t know and think it may be more appreciated if they share flac and convert their mp3 to it for that reason would have a good place to learn if any info-topic exists.
Furthermore I think it would be a good thing to think about two announce-sections here on QZ.
One for those who don´t care with no restrictions and one for the collectors with certain standards.
If we had any moderators here (I know.. no welcome thought^^) false posts could be easily switched either.
It would spare us a lot of trouble and "normal" fans would keep their place, which was the original idea of QZ.
There might be a lot of ppl out there who are just not interested in the high quality standards collectors feel bound to. I respect that as long as no lossy material is converted back to "lossless" formats and shared here as "collectors-stuff".
To avoid that we just need a sticky topic explaining the differences between the various formats which prevends those, who don´t know, from doing that. btw.. most who wanna share lossless won´t use a lossy copy as a source anyway cause they might allready be aware of the different formats and the nonsense of converting mp3 to flac for example. The few who don´t know and think it may be more appreciated if they share flac and convert their mp3 to it for that reason would have a good place to learn if any info-topic exists.
Furthermore I think it would be a good thing to think about two announce-sections here on QZ.
One for those who don´t care with no restrictions and one for the collectors with certain standards.
If we had any moderators here (I know.. no welcome thought^^) false posts could be easily switched either.
It would spare us a lot of trouble and "normal" fans would keep their place, which was the original idea of QZ.
"Actually, the community is in a much better state now than it was say, two years ago. Back then, maybe half a dozen of us were fighting against a majority who wanted mp3s only because the files were smaller. Today, I'd say at least half of the people in the announce forum are aware of what the term "lossless" means. We just aren't seeing posts from many of them, because they're still trying to be diplomatic, and don't want to add to the arguments"
My memory is really different. QZ was originally an mp3 sharing community and flac came with the BitTorrent tracker. Before the tracker there was no way of sharing big files like flac and DVD. It was not that the stupid masses were "educated" by some enlightened few but there used to be a lively discussion about all kinds of aspects of the sharing. I learnt a lot on this forum - mainly from well mannered members of the forum and the hub who have left long ago due to the rudeness of some trolls like 928 who has never shared a single file himself. I am really surprised that you, Bob, rationalize his behaviour - like it's okay to behave like this only because he shares your opinion.
The people who just lurk and do not post here are mainly scared off by such rudeness and not quiet because they want to be "diplomatic", I know that from many emails. Many users never post because they are just afraid of being called names and not being able to defend themselves. This is mainly true for foreign language users. Also, the main sharers here on Queenzone are never rude to other users, they are always patient and friendly.
@ Dr3amsl33p - I don't think there will be another forum, it would not help, anyway. People do not post in the correct forums sometimes and we would have to move even more topics. A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited.
My memory is really different. QZ was originally an mp3 sharing community and flac came with the BitTorrent tracker. Before the tracker there was no way of sharing big files like flac and DVD. It was not that the stupid masses were "educated" by some enlightened few but there used to be a lively discussion about all kinds of aspects of the sharing. I learnt a lot on this forum - mainly from well mannered members of the forum and the hub who have left long ago due to the rudeness of some trolls like 928 who has never shared a single file himself. I am really surprised that you, Bob, rationalize his behaviour - like it's okay to behave like this only because he shares your opinion.
The people who just lurk and do not post here are mainly scared off by such rudeness and not quiet because they want to be "diplomatic", I know that from many emails. Many users never post because they are just afraid of being called names and not being able to defend themselves. This is mainly true for foreign language users. Also, the main sharers here on Queenzone are never rude to other users, they are always patient and friendly.
@ Dr3amsl33p - I don't think there will be another forum, it would not help, anyway. People do not post in the correct forums sometimes and we would have to move even more topics. A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I don't think there will be another forum, it would not help, anyway. People do not post in the correct forums sometimes and we would have to move even more topics. A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited.[/QUOTE]
I don´t really see the point why another section wouldn´t help.
I was told on the hub (when I mentioned this idea before) that it isn´t the idea of QZ to aim mostly at the collectors.
On the other side these collectors are trying to enforce a change of QZ into that direction - which caused this trouble we have now^^ - simply because there is no other place on the internet which brings so much Queen-sharers together.
So why not pleasing both groups by giving them their each own habitat..?
Moving more topics isn´t a good reason for me - thats what we might have mods for. (btw.. why moving "more" topics.. are request-posts in the announce-section moved at the moment..?)
There are several more reasons for having mods but I fear I´m not welcome by saying this. I really appreciate the work of the actual administration (and so do all the others I guess) but there is a certain point at which you have to realize that help is needed as long as you don´t wanna do this as a full-time job ;-) ^^ ... and we are at that point imho.
Anyway I´m happy to see that a sticky topic with information about audio-/video-formats is accepted now. :-) I´m sure someone competent is willing to compose such a text.
I don´t really see the point why another section wouldn´t help.
I was told on the hub (when I mentioned this idea before) that it isn´t the idea of QZ to aim mostly at the collectors.
On the other side these collectors are trying to enforce a change of QZ into that direction - which caused this trouble we have now^^ - simply because there is no other place on the internet which brings so much Queen-sharers together.
So why not pleasing both groups by giving them their each own habitat..?
Moving more topics isn´t a good reason for me - thats what we might have mods for. (btw.. why moving "more" topics.. are request-posts in the announce-section moved at the moment..?)
There are several more reasons for having mods but I fear I´m not welcome by saying this. I really appreciate the work of the actual administration (and so do all the others I guess) but there is a certain point at which you have to realize that help is needed as long as you don´t wanna do this as a full-time job ;-) ^^ ... and we are at that point imho.
Anyway I´m happy to see that a sticky topic with information about audio-/video-formats is accepted now. :-) I´m sure someone competent is willing to compose such a text.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I am really surprised that you, Bob, rationalize his behaviour - like it's okay to behave like this only because he shares your opinion.[/QUOTE]
Don't get me wrong... I fully realize he often isn't diplomatic or patient, and should take it down a notch or two.
[QUOTE]A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited.[/QUOTE]
I'd be happy to do it. I won't have time over the next few days as the big WWRY opening night is on Tuesday. If nobody else volunteers, I'll do it - just not right away!
Don't get me wrong... I fully realize he often isn't diplomatic or patient, and should take it down a notch or two.
[QUOTE]A sticky topic is another story but someone would have to write it up. It should be information only and not ideologic. So - if someone wants to write up such an informational topic, please email it - of course the writer will be credited.[/QUOTE]
I'd be happy to do it. I won't have time over the next few days as the big WWRY opening night is on Tuesday. If nobody else volunteers, I'll do it - just not right away!
Well you remember it wrong then YV.
2 years ago ,more Queen releases were released on every other site 1st....not QZ.
Why..because everyone knew that it would be mp3d up on here.
In fact,on the video front, you are half the problem with the crap DVDs that circulate.
All the shite with "YV encoded" on it.All stuff from VCDs etc...you know it.
I even have your Europe Paris,Munich etc bollox.
You even fucked up the Brian May shows 6 months ago by re-compressing them and putting them onto 1 disc.
So dont give me that crap ,your still in the same boat as the numbnutz members 1/2 the time.
Its people like Bob,myself etc that have changed this site for the better and if i got a asses name for doing it ,then that is a small price to pay to keep the integrity of the music as that is what its all about!!
Where you are going wrong is by saying that Bob ,myself and others share the same opinion.
No its not the same opinion....its the correct way to do it.
You and me know the alphabet...we were taught the correct way it's not that we have the same opinion on how its said.
2 weeks ago ,for the 1st time ever there was not a single Mp3 announce on the 1st page.It was all lossless.
Why?..........because "trolls like me" fooking taught you how to appreciate the best way to watch,listen & preserve YOUR favourite artists.
Check back & see some of the topics where people changed from mp3 to lossless after having it shown to them that it was the best way.
All because of the people who do it right....troll or not.NOT because "a" tracker appeared.
If your a fan...you want the best don't you.
Why accept crap quality unless it is the best that there is.
All the mp3s & VCDs you want are on dump sites like nova,bay etc.If this site is for the real fans then the quality should centre from HERE.
btw,i'm a video guy mainly but i believe in lossless audio and strive the same way for it because sometimes you need to swap the crap camera audio for a good one..........it couldnt be done the mp3 way.
Anyway,now that you've all learnt on that front and people are sharing the audio more in lossless..........WHEN you learn not to fuck up the video 2 minutes after release i will un-earth the archives.
Btw i trade for my sharing of Queen and a lot of ppl know it....i only trust 1/2 the members here,so no torrents for you yet.
Torrents...lol...there's the I.Q here.1/2 have trouble working out rapidshare and they only want rapidshare because a 2 click program for downloading torrents is to difficult to work out.
I agree with you all that i'm not diplomatic as 928(i am another member you know ;) ),this is because you only take the teaching in if you are offended into it!!!
& it works hehe
(i wouldnt want the real me to get a bad name would i)
2 years ago ,more Queen releases were released on every other site 1st....not QZ.
Why..because everyone knew that it would be mp3d up on here.
In fact,on the video front, you are half the problem with the crap DVDs that circulate.
All the shite with "YV encoded" on it.All stuff from VCDs etc...you know it.
I even have your Europe Paris,Munich etc bollox.
You even fucked up the Brian May shows 6 months ago by re-compressing them and putting them onto 1 disc.
So dont give me that crap ,your still in the same boat as the numbnutz members 1/2 the time.
Its people like Bob,myself etc that have changed this site for the better and if i got a asses name for doing it ,then that is a small price to pay to keep the integrity of the music as that is what its all about!!
Where you are going wrong is by saying that Bob ,myself and others share the same opinion.
No its not the same opinion....its the correct way to do it.
You and me know the alphabet...we were taught the correct way it's not that we have the same opinion on how its said.
2 weeks ago ,for the 1st time ever there was not a single Mp3 announce on the 1st page.It was all lossless.
Why?..........because "trolls like me" fooking taught you how to appreciate the best way to watch,listen & preserve YOUR favourite artists.
Check back & see some of the topics where people changed from mp3 to lossless after having it shown to them that it was the best way.
All because of the people who do it right....troll or not.NOT because "a" tracker appeared.
If your a fan...you want the best don't you.
Why accept crap quality unless it is the best that there is.
All the mp3s & VCDs you want are on dump sites like nova,bay etc.If this site is for the real fans then the quality should centre from HERE.
btw,i'm a video guy mainly but i believe in lossless audio and strive the same way for it because sometimes you need to swap the crap camera audio for a good one..........it couldnt be done the mp3 way.
Anyway,now that you've all learnt on that front and people are sharing the audio more in lossless..........WHEN you learn not to fuck up the video 2 minutes after release i will un-earth the archives.
Btw i trade for my sharing of Queen and a lot of ppl know it....i only trust 1/2 the members here,so no torrents for you yet.
Torrents...lol...there's the I.Q here.1/2 have trouble working out rapidshare and they only want rapidshare because a 2 click program for downloading torrents is to difficult to work out.
I agree with you all that i'm not diplomatic as 928(i am another member you know ;) ),this is because you only take the teaching in if you are offended into it!!!
& it works hehe
(i wouldnt want the real me to get a bad name would i)
928, can you please send me an email?
bobw_22 at hotmail
Thanks man!
bobw_22 at hotmail
Thanks man!
Hey... I think I see where both people's arguments are coming from. There should be a Queen site where ONLY the best recordings of each show were shared. Should QZ be this as well? I think it could. A good part of this would be to educate people (which is difficult and time consuming).
What if there was a section in this site which linked to ONLY the BEST versions of each show? Could this be a step in the right direction? I mean, a link to shows already shared in QZ, Dimeadozen or Trader's Den as torrents. This could be made in stand alone pages for each tour or even in sticky posts in these forums. This would need some administration, of course, but I think that there are many people in this forum that would like to contribute to this great site (me included) and this would be a good way.
What do you think?
JCW
What if there was a section in this site which linked to ONLY the BEST versions of each show? Could this be a step in the right direction? I mean, a link to shows already shared in QZ, Dimeadozen or Trader's Den as torrents. This could be made in stand alone pages for each tour or even in sticky posts in these forums. This would need some administration, of course, but I think that there are many people in this forum that would like to contribute to this great site (me included) and this would be a good way.
What do you think?
JCW
@ Dr3amsl33p - you can always email Richard and tell him you do not like the way he runs his forum - from experience I know it won't get you anywhere. In the past he has added various forums (Request forum, Serious Queen forum) to defuse some tension but you can add 20 more forums - as long as people do not play along it won't help. The "mods" issue has been discussed to death, too - there won't be any mods. And yes - we do not move all the wrongly posted topics all the time and immediately, so much is true :)
@ Bob - thanks for the offer :-)
@ 928
"I agree with you all that i'm not diplomatic as 928(i am another member you know ;) ),this is because you only take the teaching in if you are offended into it!!!
& it works hehe
(i wouldnt want the real me to get a bad name would i)"
Yes - that is the definition of a troll, nothing new there. You have no good name - you only have a big mouth.
@ Bob - thanks for the offer :-)
@ 928
"I agree with you all that i'm not diplomatic as 928(i am another member you know ;) ),this is because you only take the teaching in if you are offended into it!!!
& it works hehe
(i wouldnt want the real me to get a bad name would i)"
Yes - that is the definition of a troll, nothing new there. You have no good name - you only have a big mouth.
928, I appreciate and respect your technical knowledge and have learned a lot from your posts over the years. It is your insulting approach that upsets me. Manuel started his post saying that it was his first torrent – wouldn’t it have been better simply to explain why his file is lossy and how to avoid this, and then wait for his reaction before bringing on the insults? I admre him for taking it so well – if you had done that to me on my first torrent I would have never shared again.
I fully support sharing lossless only and am delighted to see that mp3 has all but disappeared from the sharing forum – but I do not think it is due to 928’s insults. I think Sir Bob’s explanations and great concerts he has shared has done far more to demonstrate that lossless is not just some technobabble for geeks – there really is a difference you can hear. Sir Bob has convinced most people here of the importance of including lineage, and did so without any insults. By the way, improved internet connections and bigger hard disk capacity have also played a big role – downloading a FLAC or DVD takes hours rather than days so there is no excuse any more not to go for quality.
It would be really great to have a sticky with basic information on lossless/lossy formats to educate newcomers to the forum as well as a list of “official” releases (updated as necessary) – of course not everyone would read it but we would at least have a source people could be sent to refer to before being told off or insulted.
Wiley’s suggestion of a list of “best versions” is laudable but in my view impracticable – it assumes that the best version is available, and of course would evolve as new versions emerge or existing ones remastered. I have over 50 concerts in mp3 only (acquired over the years here and on the hub) and would love to upgrade if only someone would share the FLAC. Which brings me to a polite request that 928 (or his Dr Jeckyll alter ego) share a (lossless!) file now and again rather than just insults.
This is a website for Queen fans –let’s share collector-quality files and not yell insults at each other.
Happy Easter anyway! :)
I fully support sharing lossless only and am delighted to see that mp3 has all but disappeared from the sharing forum – but I do not think it is due to 928’s insults. I think Sir Bob’s explanations and great concerts he has shared has done far more to demonstrate that lossless is not just some technobabble for geeks – there really is a difference you can hear. Sir Bob has convinced most people here of the importance of including lineage, and did so without any insults. By the way, improved internet connections and bigger hard disk capacity have also played a big role – downloading a FLAC or DVD takes hours rather than days so there is no excuse any more not to go for quality.
It would be really great to have a sticky with basic information on lossless/lossy formats to educate newcomers to the forum as well as a list of “official” releases (updated as necessary) – of course not everyone would read it but we would at least have a source people could be sent to refer to before being told off or insulted.
Wiley’s suggestion of a list of “best versions” is laudable but in my view impracticable – it assumes that the best version is available, and of course would evolve as new versions emerge or existing ones remastered. I have over 50 concerts in mp3 only (acquired over the years here and on the hub) and would love to upgrade if only someone would share the FLAC. Which brings me to a polite request that 928 (or his Dr Jeckyll alter ego) share a (lossless!) file now and again rather than just insults.
This is a website for Queen fans –let’s share collector-quality files and not yell insults at each other.
Happy Easter anyway! :)
artwork please!!!
Thanks Ginger01 for seeing my point. But about the often harsh words used here against other people - as is it easter i have to quote Jesus himself "forgive them father, they don't know what they are doing!" ;-)
But back to the technical - so if i have the 5 mpeg-files, together approx. 1 GB - and if i would have made 5 DVD's out of it there would be no quality-loss? Or if i burn them onto a CD as VCD.
I still don't get where i "messed" it up. Because when (as said before) i record 1 hour of VHS to my DVD-Recorder and burn it onto DVD - there also should be no compression or quality-loss, because the DVD should get up to 2 hours in best quality.
As the shared DVD is 50 minutes long - what would be the best way to bring them on DVD and if there is no best way to do that, where do i loose quality in the Converting-process?
Thanks! Manuel
PS: Artwork can be found here:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=980468
But back to the technical - so if i have the 5 mpeg-files, together approx. 1 GB - and if i would have made 5 DVD's out of it there would be no quality-loss? Or if i burn them onto a CD as VCD.
I still don't get where i "messed" it up. Because when (as said before) i record 1 hour of VHS to my DVD-Recorder and burn it onto DVD - there also should be no compression or quality-loss, because the DVD should get up to 2 hours in best quality.
As the shared DVD is 50 minutes long - what would be the best way to bring them on DVD and if there is no best way to do that, where do i loose quality in the Converting-process?
Thanks! Manuel
PS: Artwork can be found here:
http://www.queenzone.com/queenzone/forumnew/forum_topic_view.aspx?Q=980468
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ginger01 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Wiley’s suggestion of a list of “best versions” is laudable but in my view impracticable – it assumes that the best version is available, and of course would evolve as new versions emerge or existing ones remastered.[/QUOTE]
You just answered your own question. It is a list that would correct itself over time. Any list is a "current" list that can always be updated. But of course, you can view this negatively and say it's impractical because it's never complete! But it will always be a work in progress, and hopefully a useful resource at any given time. On my old website, I had a "best bootlegs" page. Even though my website is offline (and I'm working on a new one), I'm still updating that page with every new recording I hear about.
[QUOTE]I fully support sharing lossless only and am delighted to see that mp3 has all but disappeared from the sharing forum[/QUOTE]
Agreed... we're doing great work on the audio front, but there's still a bit of work to do for video.
Thanks for all your kind words, Ginger. Give me yet another month or two, and my new website will be online. I have some big plans.. :)
You just answered your own question. It is a list that would correct itself over time. Any list is a "current" list that can always be updated. But of course, you can view this negatively and say it's impractical because it's never complete! But it will always be a work in progress, and hopefully a useful resource at any given time. On my old website, I had a "best bootlegs" page. Even though my website is offline (and I'm working on a new one), I'm still updating that page with every new recording I hear about.
[QUOTE]I fully support sharing lossless only and am delighted to see that mp3 has all but disappeared from the sharing forum[/QUOTE]
Agreed... we're doing great work on the audio front, but there's still a bit of work to do for video.
Thanks for all your kind words, Ginger. Give me yet another month or two, and my new website will be online. I have some big plans.. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]@ Dr3amsl33p - you can always email Richard and tell him you do not like the way he runs his forum - from experience I know it won't get you anywhere. In the past he has added various forums (Request forum, Serious Queen forum) to defuse some tension but you can add 20 more forums - as long as people do not play along it won't help. The "mods" issue has been discussed to death, too - there won't be any mods. And yes - we do not move all the wrongly posted topics all the time and immediately, so much is true :)[/QUOTE]
errr... where did I say that I don´t like the way he runs this forum? In fact I said the opposite.
I´m sure he does the best he can do without giving up his real-life job :D
But its obvious that one (or two ;) ) persons alone can´t restore order here anymore.. why do you fail to see that?
You argue against my advices with the reasons for mods but in the same sentence you negate them.. there will be never all ppl "playing along" and "all the time and immediatly" moving posts is putting it mildly. :D
Thats normal and reality in every forum on the internet.. but this is in fact the biggest board without mods to take care of that I have ever seen.
As you can see people are not regulating themselves or problems are solved by the community. It´s causing more trouble than any mod-action could ever do.
If I sound ungrateful for the service QZ offers let me tell you again: I do highly appreciate every bit of Richards effort in bringing this one up.. but I can´t understand why any help is rejected while the administration is losing control. :-/
@928: You don´t do us a favor by insulting everyone who´s not your opinion or just doesn´t know any better. By "educating" the ppl in this way you will scare ´em off instead of giving them an understanding of our idea. Not really usefull - no matter how competent you are.
@Sir GH: Great! I´m happy to hear you will set up such an info text. :) That´ll give us a place all the ppl could refer to and being sent instead of insulting them.
I´m also eagerly awaiting your website and wish you good luck for that and of course for the big WWRY opening.. rock it! :D
errr... where did I say that I don´t like the way he runs this forum? In fact I said the opposite.
I´m sure he does the best he can do without giving up his real-life job :D
But its obvious that one (or two ;) ) persons alone can´t restore order here anymore.. why do you fail to see that?
You argue against my advices with the reasons for mods but in the same sentence you negate them.. there will be never all ppl "playing along" and "all the time and immediatly" moving posts is putting it mildly. :D
Thats normal and reality in every forum on the internet.. but this is in fact the biggest board without mods to take care of that I have ever seen.
As you can see people are not regulating themselves or problems are solved by the community. It´s causing more trouble than any mod-action could ever do.
If I sound ungrateful for the service QZ offers let me tell you again: I do highly appreciate every bit of Richards effort in bringing this one up.. but I can´t understand why any help is rejected while the administration is losing control. :-/
@928: You don´t do us a favor by insulting everyone who´s not your opinion or just doesn´t know any better. By "educating" the ppl in this way you will scare ´em off instead of giving them an understanding of our idea. Not really usefull - no matter how competent you are.
@Sir GH: Great! I´m happy to hear you will set up such an info text. :) That´ll give us a place all the ppl could refer to and being sent instead of insulting them.
I´m also eagerly awaiting your website and wish you good luck for that and of course for the big WWRY opening.. rock it! :D
Any seeders?
I'm at 77.5%, thank you so much!
I'm at 77.5%, thank you so much!