I like the Hot Space album.
Not as much as the 5 first albums, but it's fun to listen to when you're in the right mood.
I think the best songs are: Staying Power, Back Chat, Cool Cat and Under Pressure.
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The LP cover is good, side two is actually damn good.
But....25 years ago, when I had a dozen friends over to my apartment for its inaugural playing.....
oy vay, was I embarrassed with Side One!!!!! And afraid to flip over the disk for side two.
We had all gathered for ADATR, NOTW, Jazz, and Live Killers. Of course, there were snide remarks at times. But they tended to like most of the tunes.
The Game and Flash...I was away at college when they were released. They liked most of these when I returned home for their first listen.
But HS......side one needed the Milton Keynes live treatment, Body Language needed guitars and piano, BackChat needed to be replaced with Roger's 'Let's Get Crazy', and then we all would have been semi-satisfied.
Kinda like listening to The Beatles' 'Let It Be' after 'Abbey Road'.....
But....25 years ago, when I had a dozen friends over to my apartment for its inaugural playing.....
oy vay, was I embarrassed with Side One!!!!! And afraid to flip over the disk for side two.
We had all gathered for ADATR, NOTW, Jazz, and Live Killers. Of course, there were snide remarks at times. But they tended to like most of the tunes.
The Game and Flash...I was away at college when they were released. They liked most of these when I returned home for their first listen.
But HS......side one needed the Milton Keynes live treatment, Body Language needed guitars and piano, BackChat needed to be replaced with Roger's 'Let's Get Crazy', and then we all would have been semi-satisfied.
Kinda like listening to The Beatles' 'Let It Be' after 'Abbey Road'.....
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Basically, Micheal Jackson was very impressed with Hot Space and found it to be very inspirational. Thus was the creation of one of pops greatest works, Thriller.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, ok. The greatest R&B record ever was inspired by Queen?
Try Quincy Jones.
And listen to Off The Wall. It came out before Hot Space. Or maybe Michael was inspired by Bring Back Leroy Brown or something...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ITSM wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I think the best songs are: Staying Power, Back Chat, Cool Cat and Under Pressure.[/QUOTE]
All right!!! Someone else likes both Cool Cat and Back Chat... the two best tracks. Play it even lower, John.
Basically, Micheal Jackson was very impressed with Hot Space and found it to be very inspirational. Thus was the creation of one of pops greatest works, Thriller.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, ok. The greatest R&B record ever was inspired by Queen?
Try Quincy Jones.
And listen to Off The Wall. It came out before Hot Space. Or maybe Michael was inspired by Bring Back Leroy Brown or something...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ITSM wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I think the best songs are: Staying Power, Back Chat, Cool Cat and Under Pressure.[/QUOTE]
All right!!! Someone else likes both Cool Cat and Back Chat... the two best tracks. Play it even lower, John.
I love Hot Space. I also love all their other albums.
Queen decided to explore Pop music and use that for this album, big deal?
That's the good thing about Queen. They weren't just a ONE type of music band, they were creative.
Queen decided to explore Pop music and use that for this album, big deal?
That's the good thing about Queen. They weren't just a ONE type of music band, they were creative.
I do!
I like that one better than other two or three(what are they?). Well, it's an experimantal work and I can feel a sort of spirit that they were still adventuring into other kind at that time, there are some sounds I don't go for though. But some are still new, funky even today. Even I like Body Language. And I found that there are some numbers that are better when played live.
I like that one better than other two or three(what are they?). Well, it's an experimantal work and I can feel a sort of spirit that they were still adventuring into other kind at that time, there are some sounds I don't go for though. But some are still new, funky even today. Even I like Body Language. And I found that there are some numbers that are better when played live.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Freddie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Basically, Micheal Jackson was very impressed with Hot Space and found it to be very inspirational. Thus was the creation of one of pops greatest works, Thriller.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, ok. The greatest R&B record ever was inspired by Queen?
[/QUOTE]
Notice I said it was "one of pops greatest works," not "the greatest R&B record." Otherwise, one could assume that Hot Space was one of Jackson's inspirations for Thriller.
Basically, Micheal Jackson was very impressed with Hot Space and found it to be very inspirational. Thus was the creation of one of pops greatest works, Thriller.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, ok. The greatest R&B record ever was inspired by Queen?
[/QUOTE]
Notice I said it was "one of pops greatest works," not "the greatest R&B record." Otherwise, one could assume that Hot Space was one of Jackson's inspirations for Thriller.
> It would be quite kind and lovely of you if you were to give credit to those who said those quotes.
Indeed. Sorry about that.
> As we all know to be true, Freddie Mercury was expected to be on the Thriller album alongside Michael Jackson.
So were Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen ... btw Michael was already recording 'Thriller' (and had written most of it) by the time 'Hot Space' was released.
> So right from that one can assume, notice I didn't say it was fact, that Jackson did take influence from the band Queen in general.
I disagree. Just because they were going to be a duet it doesn't mean Jacko was inspired by the band, let alone that 'Hot Space' was a main influence.
> Thus, Thriller's music is hardly like the music you would hear from Jazz or News of the World
'Opera' music is hardly like 'Sgt Pepper's', yet it's inspired by it.
> rather it sounds more inspired by Hot Space, an album full of funk and disco (well, at least the first half of the album).
Loads of albums were that way in those times. Besides, as I said, 'Thriller' had been already written (for the most part) and was being recorded at the time 'Hot Space' was issued.
> Well,due to Queen's historical friendship with the man himself, Michael Jackson, of course!
As it's been already pointed out, 'Off The Wall' was carrying on a similar trend already. So Jacko's #1 influence for 'Thriller' was obviously himself.
> Queen decided to explore Pop music and use that for this album, big deal?
Queen had explored "pop" music since day one.
Indeed. Sorry about that.
> As we all know to be true, Freddie Mercury was expected to be on the Thriller album alongside Michael Jackson.
So were Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen ... btw Michael was already recording 'Thriller' (and had written most of it) by the time 'Hot Space' was released.
> So right from that one can assume, notice I didn't say it was fact, that Jackson did take influence from the band Queen in general.
I disagree. Just because they were going to be a duet it doesn't mean Jacko was inspired by the band, let alone that 'Hot Space' was a main influence.
> Thus, Thriller's music is hardly like the music you would hear from Jazz or News of the World
'Opera' music is hardly like 'Sgt Pepper's', yet it's inspired by it.
> rather it sounds more inspired by Hot Space, an album full of funk and disco (well, at least the first half of the album).
Loads of albums were that way in those times. Besides, as I said, 'Thriller' had been already written (for the most part) and was being recorded at the time 'Hot Space' was issued.
> Well,due to Queen's historical friendship with the man himself, Michael Jackson, of course!
As it's been already pointed out, 'Off The Wall' was carrying on a similar trend already. So Jacko's #1 influence for 'Thriller' was obviously himself.
> Queen decided to explore Pop music and use that for this album, big deal?
Queen had explored "pop" music since day one.
An entire Queen album and only 4 good tracks. Until 1982 I never thought I'd say that but this album is for the most part chronic. Only Under Pressure and Las Palabras De Amor stand out to me. I also like Cool Cat and Backchat but they aint brilliant. If this had been made as a rock album it could have been great, listen to Live at Milton Keynes bowl, but the disco feel nearly killed the band off. Thankfully The Works & AKOM were just around the corner and sanity was restored.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=0099FF>Killer Queenie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think Queen were very wise to experiment with new styles - it shows their versilitity. (I think I spelt that right..)
.[/QUOTE]
it's "versatility"
and you also need to check the definition of "wise"
because queen's "wise" decision actually cost bigtime....Hot Space was the album that cost them their american audience (on the whole)....which is weird when you think that the Game - a crossover album for them was loved in america. Btu HS was a step to far into leftfield.
America never really loved them again, and they also lost their world position during the 80s...[/QUOTE]
.[/QUOTE]
it's "versatility"
and you also need to check the definition of "wise"
because queen's "wise" decision actually cost bigtime....Hot Space was the album that cost them their american audience (on the whole)....which is weird when you think that the Game - a crossover album for them was loved in america. Btu HS was a step to far into leftfield.
America never really loved them again, and they also lost their world position during the 80s...[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=green>Bren<font color=orange>ski wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]<font color=0099FF>Killer Queenie wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I think Queen were very wise to experiment with new styles - it shows their versilitity. (I think I spelt that right..)
.[/QUOTE]
it's "versatility"
and you also need to check the definition of "wise"
because queen's "wise" decision actually cost bigtime....Hot Space was the album that cost them their american audience (on the whole)....which is weird when you think that the Game - a crossover album for them was loved in america. Btu HS was a step to far into leftfield.
America never really loved them again, and they also lost their world position during the 80s...[/QUOTE]
oh bugger this reply - i can't be arse to write it all again.
.[/QUOTE]
it's "versatility"
and you also need to check the definition of "wise"
because queen's "wise" decision actually cost bigtime....Hot Space was the album that cost them their american audience (on the whole)....which is weird when you think that the Game - a crossover album for them was loved in america. Btu HS was a step to far into leftfield.
America never really loved them again, and they also lost their world position during the 80s...[/QUOTE]
oh bugger this reply - i can't be arse to write it all again.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]> It would be quite kind and lovely of you if you were to give credit to those who said those quotes.
Indeed. Sorry about that.
> As we all know to be true, Freddie Mercury was expected to be on the Thriller album alongside Michael Jackson.
So were Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen ... btw Michael was already recording 'Thriller' (and had written most of it) by the time 'Hot Space' was released.
> So right from that one can assume, notice I didn't say it was fact, that Jackson did take influence from the band Queen in general.
I disagree. Just because they were going to be a duet it doesn't mean Jacko was inspired by the band, let alone that 'Hot Space' was a main influence.
> Thus, Thriller's music is hardly like the music you would hear from Jazz or News of the World
'Opera' music is hardly like 'Sgt Pepper's', yet it's inspired by it.
> rather it sounds more inspired by Hot Space, an album full of funk and disco (well, at least the first half of the album).
Loads of albums were that way in those times. Besides, as I said, 'Thriller' had been already written (for the most part) and was being recorded at the time 'Hot Space' was issued.
> Well,due to Queen's historical friendship with the man himself, Michael Jackson, of course!
As it's been already pointed out, 'Off The Wall' was carrying on a similar trend already. So Jacko's #1 influence for 'Thriller' was obviously himself.
> Queen decided to explore Pop music and use that for this album, big deal?
Queen had explored "pop" music since day one.[/QUOTE]
My fine gentleman,
Do not take offense as to what I have stated earlier, I was merely expressing my profound intelligence upon the matter at hand. I am overjoyed that you are so knowledgeable though! I've definitely taken into account what you have told us, however most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!
It would be very kind and considerate of you if you were not to be such a hypocrite though. Considering the fact you stated "Indeed. Sorry about that" and continued to not give me or anybody else credit for what they have written. Common sense my fine gentleman, common sense is in order. Oh, and I'm not making fun of you. People take my words way too seriously.
With respect and of the up most kindness,
Ramirez
Indeed. Sorry about that.
> As we all know to be true, Freddie Mercury was expected to be on the Thriller album alongside Michael Jackson.
So were Paul McCartney and Eddie Van Halen ... btw Michael was already recording 'Thriller' (and had written most of it) by the time 'Hot Space' was released.
> So right from that one can assume, notice I didn't say it was fact, that Jackson did take influence from the band Queen in general.
I disagree. Just because they were going to be a duet it doesn't mean Jacko was inspired by the band, let alone that 'Hot Space' was a main influence.
> Thus, Thriller's music is hardly like the music you would hear from Jazz or News of the World
'Opera' music is hardly like 'Sgt Pepper's', yet it's inspired by it.
> rather it sounds more inspired by Hot Space, an album full of funk and disco (well, at least the first half of the album).
Loads of albums were that way in those times. Besides, as I said, 'Thriller' had been already written (for the most part) and was being recorded at the time 'Hot Space' was issued.
> Well,due to Queen's historical friendship with the man himself, Michael Jackson, of course!
As it's been already pointed out, 'Off The Wall' was carrying on a similar trend already. So Jacko's #1 influence for 'Thriller' was obviously himself.
> Queen decided to explore Pop music and use that for this album, big deal?
Queen had explored "pop" music since day one.[/QUOTE]
My fine gentleman,
Do not take offense as to what I have stated earlier, I was merely expressing my profound intelligence upon the matter at hand. I am overjoyed that you are so knowledgeable though! I've definitely taken into account what you have told us, however most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!
It would be very kind and considerate of you if you were not to be such a hypocrite though. Considering the fact you stated "Indeed. Sorry about that" and continued to not give me or anybody else credit for what they have written. Common sense my fine gentleman, common sense is in order. Oh, and I'm not making fun of you. People take my words way too seriously.
With respect and of the up most kindness,
Ramirez
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ramirez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!
[/QUOTE]
Ok, dude. First off, only 4 tracks were written by Michael.
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Horn arrangement by Jerry Hey and Michael Jackson
This is Quincy all the way. Notice how it sounds like it could have been on OFF THE WALL? That's because Michael originally wrote it in 1980.
"The Girl Is Mine" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Rhythm arrangement by Quincy Jones and David Paich
Synthesizer arrangement by David Foster
Strings arranged and conducted by Jerry Hey
Obviously no "Freddie" influence here, this is David Paich (Toto) and David Foster totally. If you're familiar with earlier Toto albums or Chicago 16-18, then you would recognize the sound.
"Beat It" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
This was Steve Lukather's baby. It may be "written by Jackson", but Lukather wrote all the guitar parts. Eddie happened to be promoting Diver Down and both Mike & Steve thought it would be great to bring him in. If you ask me, Luke should have played the solo as well.
"Billie Jean" (Jackson)
Vocal, rhythm and synthesizer arrangement by Michael Jackson
Strings arranged by Jerry Hey
Maybe this is the Freddie tune. But then he's singing about a girl carrying his child. How is THAT Freddie? And Jerry Hey added the string chords and runs. So what is Freddie here?
Not proof, just someone who has a pretty good understanding of pop music of the 80s.
More food for thought:
Back Chat, written by bassist John Deacon, is the track most influenced by black music on the 1982 Queen album Hot Space. Not written by Freddie.
...most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!
[/QUOTE]
Ok, dude. First off, only 4 tracks were written by Michael.
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Horn arrangement by Jerry Hey and Michael Jackson
This is Quincy all the way. Notice how it sounds like it could have been on OFF THE WALL? That's because Michael originally wrote it in 1980.
"The Girl Is Mine" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Rhythm arrangement by Quincy Jones and David Paich
Synthesizer arrangement by David Foster
Strings arranged and conducted by Jerry Hey
Obviously no "Freddie" influence here, this is David Paich (Toto) and David Foster totally. If you're familiar with earlier Toto albums or Chicago 16-18, then you would recognize the sound.
"Beat It" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
This was Steve Lukather's baby. It may be "written by Jackson", but Lukather wrote all the guitar parts. Eddie happened to be promoting Diver Down and both Mike & Steve thought it would be great to bring him in. If you ask me, Luke should have played the solo as well.
"Billie Jean" (Jackson)
Vocal, rhythm and synthesizer arrangement by Michael Jackson
Strings arranged by Jerry Hey
Maybe this is the Freddie tune. But then he's singing about a girl carrying his child. How is THAT Freddie? And Jerry Hey added the string chords and runs. So what is Freddie here?
Not proof, just someone who has a pretty good understanding of pop music of the 80s.
More food for thought:
Back Chat, written by bassist John Deacon, is the track most influenced by black music on the 1982 Queen album Hot Space. Not written by Freddie.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ramirez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
...most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!
[/QUOTE]
Ok, dude. First off, only 4 tracks were written by Michael.
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Horn arrangement by Jerry Hey and Michael Jackson
This is Quincy all the way. Notice how it sounds like it could have been on OFF THE WALL? That's because Michael originally wrote it in 1980.
"The Girl Is Mine" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Rhythm arrangement by Quincy Jones and David Paich
Synthesizer arrangement by David Foster
Strings arranged and conducted by Jerry Hey
Obviously no "Freddie" influence here, this is David Paich (Toto) and David Foster totally. If you're familiar with earlier Toto albums or Chicago 16-18, then you would recognize the sound.
"Beat It" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
This was Steve Lukather's baby. It may be "written by Jackson", but Lukather wrote all the guitar parts. Eddie happened to be promoting Diver Down and both Mike & Steve thought it would be great to bring him in. If you ask me, Luke should have played the solo as well.
"Billie Jean" (Jackson)
Vocal, rhythm and synthesizer arrangement by Michael Jackson
Strings arranged by Jerry Hey
Maybe this is the Freddie tune. But then he's singing about a girl carrying his child. How is THAT Freddie? And Jerry Hey added the string chords and runs. So what is Freddie here?
Not proof, just someone who has a pretty good understanding of pop music of the 80s.
More food for thought:
Back Chat, written by bassist John Deacon, is the track most influenced by black music on the 1982 Queen album Hot Space. Not written by Freddie.[/QUOTE]
For heaven's sake, you've taken this way out of proportion. Calm down and just relax. I mean really, I offered you my kindness and respect...and I wished to leave our "personal" discussion at an end. Still you wish to have the last say, so I suggest you cool it and respectfully just leave it at that.
Also, please remember that by "inspiration" I mean giving Michael Jackson the "umph" to carry out the task of putting together another album. Not necessarily influencing the sound of the album, perhaps just the attitude Queen portrayed. How should I know? I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller.
Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact. You are merely (as am I) speculating and interpreting what you (and I) find to be closest to the truth. I also got done stating how until one of us is proven correct, none of us are.
...most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!
[/QUOTE]
Ok, dude. First off, only 4 tracks were written by Michael.
"Wanna Be Startin' Somethin'" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Horn arrangement by Jerry Hey and Michael Jackson
This is Quincy all the way. Notice how it sounds like it could have been on OFF THE WALL? That's because Michael originally wrote it in 1980.
"The Girl Is Mine" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
Rhythm arrangement by Quincy Jones and David Paich
Synthesizer arrangement by David Foster
Strings arranged and conducted by Jerry Hey
Obviously no "Freddie" influence here, this is David Paich (Toto) and David Foster totally. If you're familiar with earlier Toto albums or Chicago 16-18, then you would recognize the sound.
"Beat It" (Jackson)
Vocal arrangement by Michael Jackson
Rhythm arrangement by Michael Jackson and Quincy Jones
This was Steve Lukather's baby. It may be "written by Jackson", but Lukather wrote all the guitar parts. Eddie happened to be promoting Diver Down and both Mike & Steve thought it would be great to bring him in. If you ask me, Luke should have played the solo as well.
"Billie Jean" (Jackson)
Vocal, rhythm and synthesizer arrangement by Michael Jackson
Strings arranged by Jerry Hey
Maybe this is the Freddie tune. But then he's singing about a girl carrying his child. How is THAT Freddie? And Jerry Hey added the string chords and runs. So what is Freddie here?
Not proof, just someone who has a pretty good understanding of pop music of the 80s.
More food for thought:
Back Chat, written by bassist John Deacon, is the track most influenced by black music on the 1982 Queen album Hot Space. Not written by Freddie.[/QUOTE]
For heaven's sake, you've taken this way out of proportion. Calm down and just relax. I mean really, I offered you my kindness and respect...and I wished to leave our "personal" discussion at an end. Still you wish to have the last say, so I suggest you cool it and respectfully just leave it at that.
Also, please remember that by "inspiration" I mean giving Michael Jackson the "umph" to carry out the task of putting together another album. Not necessarily influencing the sound of the album, perhaps just the attitude Queen portrayed. How should I know? I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller.
Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact. You are merely (as am I) speculating and interpreting what you (and I) find to be closest to the truth. I also got done stating how until one of us is proven correct, none of us are.
Brian May himself has said Hot Space inspired Thriller, though I don't know of any other specifics.
I think by the time HS came out, Queen were used to the fact that everytime they tried some new musical style (and usually overdid it to the extreme), it was a huge success (Bo Rhap, Another One Bites The Dust, etc.). Everyone just always seemed to like every new and weird thing they did. So I think they may have thought they were a little infallible by the time HS came out and weren't careful enough.
I think by the time HS came out, Queen were used to the fact that everytime they tried some new musical style (and usually overdid it to the extreme), it was a huge success (Bo Rhap, Another One Bites The Dust, etc.). Everyone just always seemed to like every new and weird thing they did. So I think they may have thought they were a little infallible by the time HS came out and weren't careful enough.
> Brian May himself has said Hot Space inspired Thriller, though I don't know of any other specifics
Yes, so? It wouldn't be the first or last time he's said a wrong fact.
Yes, so? It wouldn't be the first or last time he's said a wrong fact.