[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goinback wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Brian May himself has said Hot Space inspired Thriller, though I don't know of any other specifics.
I think by the time HS came out, Queen were used to the fact that everytime they tried some new musical style (and usually overdid it to the extreme), it was a huge success (Bo Rhap, Another One Bites The Dust, etc.). Everyone just always seemed to like every new and weird thing they did. So I think they may have thought they were a little infallible by the time HS came out and weren't careful enough.[/QUOTE]
I'll agree to that. Something tells me you watched Queen Under Review 1980-1991, but that's just a notion I'm feeling. Either way it's pretty much common sense.
In regards to Brian May's comment:
Where exactly did you hear him say that? It would be much appreciated if you were to direct us in a general direction at least. However, just as Sebastian said, how can you truly take his word for it? He has, non-intentionally I hope, mistaken things in the past.
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Oh Lord no I wouldn't watch an Under Crap DVD! :)
I remember Brian said something about HS inspiring Thriller on his webpage about a year ago. But I agree with Sebastian about Brian's memory ;)
I remember Brian said something about HS inspiring Thriller on his webpage about a year ago. But I agree with Sebastian about Brian's memory ;)
Not just memory, but bias. He'd obviously defend Queen as influential and inspirational for nearly everybody, but it doesn't mean that's entirely right (nor it means he's a bad person whatsoever).
The POSSIBILITY that Jacko COULD have been influenced by, say, 'Another One Bites The Dust', is high. Yet the FACT is that he'd already started recording 'Thriller' (and songs had already been written and composed, either by him and/or somebody else depending on the case) by the time 'Hot Space' came out. Thus, 'Hot Space' COULD *NOT* have been the inspiration for 'Thriller'.
It happens the same when it comes to Led Zeppelin's 'Rock And Roll' and Queen's 'Modern Times Rock N' Roll': They're quite similar in several aspects (not just the title), but 'Modern Times' was already part of the live set long before 'IV' was released, hence it's just coincidence.
And btw, 'Thriller' is not THAT similar to 'Hot Space'. We may suppose that when Michael listened to 'HS', he MIGHT HAVE liked it and/or borrowed some ideas, since the songs hadn't been finished yet. Otoh, it's a dead cert that (paraphrasing Bohardy, if I remember correctly), there's no way 'Thriller' was the Queen album that never was.
PS: If anybody's got a link to that discussion, please post it, that'd help loads!
The POSSIBILITY that Jacko COULD have been influenced by, say, 'Another One Bites The Dust', is high. Yet the FACT is that he'd already started recording 'Thriller' (and songs had already been written and composed, either by him and/or somebody else depending on the case) by the time 'Hot Space' came out. Thus, 'Hot Space' COULD *NOT* have been the inspiration for 'Thriller'.
It happens the same when it comes to Led Zeppelin's 'Rock And Roll' and Queen's 'Modern Times Rock N' Roll': They're quite similar in several aspects (not just the title), but 'Modern Times' was already part of the live set long before 'IV' was released, hence it's just coincidence.
And btw, 'Thriller' is not THAT similar to 'Hot Space'. We may suppose that when Michael listened to 'HS', he MIGHT HAVE liked it and/or borrowed some ideas, since the songs hadn't been finished yet. Otoh, it's a dead cert that (paraphrasing Bohardy, if I remember correctly), there's no way 'Thriller' was the Queen album that never was.
PS: If anybody's got a link to that discussion, please post it, that'd help loads!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ramirez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller.
Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact. [/QUOTE]
Alleged child molester.
You came here with "I heard that..." with no source, proof, or even substantial claim. All we are doing is giving you at least some evidence that you are wrong. But then you don't care about that. Why'd you even ask, then?
Plenty of people here have given reference to it being possibly the other way around. Maybe it's you who should chill.
If you feel I am upsetting to you, perhaps it just that you're one of these guys who's made up his mind about Michael from what you saw on TV. And that's just crap, man. Remember, there's a website that says Freddie sings for Satan. Geez, that must be true, too!
I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller.
Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact. [/QUOTE]
Alleged child molester.
You came here with "I heard that..." with no source, proof, or even substantial claim. All we are doing is giving you at least some evidence that you are wrong. But then you don't care about that. Why'd you even ask, then?
Plenty of people here have given reference to it being possibly the other way around. Maybe it's you who should chill.
If you feel I am upsetting to you, perhaps it just that you're one of these guys who's made up his mind about Michael from what you saw on TV. And that's just crap, man. Remember, there's a website that says Freddie sings for Satan. Geez, that must be true, too!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ramirez wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller.
Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact. [/QUOTE]
Alleged child molester.
You came here with "I heard that..." with no source, proof, or even substantial claim. All we are doing is giving you at least some evidence that you are wrong. But then you don't care about that. Why'd you even ask, then?[/QUOTE]
I do not recall ever having asked you or anybody else and since when do I not care what you all think? Perhaps I should remind you of this:
"I am overjoyed that you are so knowledgeable though! I've definitely taken into account what you have told us, however most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!"
-Ramirez (aka me)
How am I not accepting what I'm being told? I'm simply saying that there are sources out there that say Jackson was inspired by Hot Space. Hell, I recall hearing about Jackson and his inspiration coming from Hot Space on some documentary or something.
Now remember, I’m not saying you're wrong, he's wrong, and I'm right. What I'm saying is that we're all shooting in the dark, we're not going to know for sure if Jackson was inspired. We can only speculate and interpret things, however I will admit that I might have jumped the gun when I told "the story."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Plenty of people here have given reference to it being possibly the other way around. Maybe it's you who should chill.
If you feel I am upsetting to you, perhaps it just that you're one of these guys who's made up his mind about Michael from what you saw on TV. And that's just crap, man. Remember, there's a website that says Freddie sings for Satan. Geez, that must be true, too![/QUOTE]
You're not upsetting me, I just think you have me all wrong. I was never uptight about this topic of discussion, I may be right and I may be wrong. My main concern is discussing this from all possible points of views. I'm not on Queenzone to say "I'm the lecturer, now lend me your brains."
In regards to Jackson, I was being sarcastic. Much like when you said "Remember, there's a website that says Freddie sings for Satan. Geez, that must be true, too!"
I'm not the child molester who put together Thriller.
Besides, I couldn't give a damn whether or not you're right or wrong. No matter what you say or do it will have no consequences on whether or not this is a myth or fact. [/QUOTE]
Alleged child molester.
You came here with "I heard that..." with no source, proof, or even substantial claim. All we are doing is giving you at least some evidence that you are wrong. But then you don't care about that. Why'd you even ask, then?[/QUOTE]
I do not recall ever having asked you or anybody else and since when do I not care what you all think? Perhaps I should remind you of this:
"I am overjoyed that you are so knowledgeable though! I've definitely taken into account what you have told us, however most sources I have found state that Jackson was inspired by Hot Space for the Thriller album. Technically, until one of us is proven wrong there is no right or wrong! Thank you for sharing your opinions and/or facts!"
-Ramirez (aka me)
How am I not accepting what I'm being told? I'm simply saying that there are sources out there that say Jackson was inspired by Hot Space. Hell, I recall hearing about Jackson and his inspiration coming from Hot Space on some documentary or something.
Now remember, I’m not saying you're wrong, he's wrong, and I'm right. What I'm saying is that we're all shooting in the dark, we're not going to know for sure if Jackson was inspired. We can only speculate and interpret things, however I will admit that I might have jumped the gun when I told "the story."
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Plenty of people here have given reference to it being possibly the other way around. Maybe it's you who should chill.
If you feel I am upsetting to you, perhaps it just that you're one of these guys who's made up his mind about Michael from what you saw on TV. And that's just crap, man. Remember, there's a website that says Freddie sings for Satan. Geez, that must be true, too![/QUOTE]
You're not upsetting me, I just think you have me all wrong. I was never uptight about this topic of discussion, I may be right and I may be wrong. My main concern is discussing this from all possible points of views. I'm not on Queenzone to say "I'm the lecturer, now lend me your brains."
In regards to Jackson, I was being sarcastic. Much like when you said "Remember, there's a website that says Freddie sings for Satan. Geez, that must be true, too!"
Now please, could we all just discuss rather than criticize one another? We'd be more productive that way.
Hey Ramirez, no prob. I can come off that way... I was looking at this as a discussion.
I'm glad that was settled, the last thing I want is to be looked upon as some ogre.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The POSSIBILITY that Jacko COULD have been influenced by, say, 'Another One Bites The Dust', is high. Yet the FACT is that he'd already started recording 'Thriller' (and songs had already been written and composed, either by him and/or somebody else depending on the case) by the time 'Hot Space' came out. Thus, 'Hot Space' COULD *NOT* have been the inspiration for 'Thriller'.[/QUOTE]
Actually he could have been inspired by HS before its release, since Michael and Freddie were hanging out and Michael may have heard HS songs in the studio even before 1982. I wish Brian would have given some specifics about what was actually inspired by what, but he just said in general Thriller was inspired by HS which isn't very useful info...I'm sure LOTS of things inspired Thriller!
Actually he could have been inspired by HS before its release, since Michael and Freddie were hanging out and Michael may have heard HS songs in the studio even before 1982. I wish Brian would have given some specifics about what was actually inspired by what, but he just said in general Thriller was inspired by HS which isn't very useful info...I'm sure LOTS of things inspired Thriller!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]goinback wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The POSSIBILITY that Jacko COULD have been influenced by, say, 'Another One Bites The Dust', is high. Yet the FACT is that he'd already started recording 'Thriller' (and songs had already been written and composed, either by him and/or somebody else depending on the case) by the time 'Hot Space' came out. Thus, 'Hot Space' COULD *NOT* have been the inspiration for 'Thriller'.[/QUOTE]
Actually he could have been inspired by HS before its release, since Michael and Freddie were hanging out and Michael may have heard HS songs in the studio even before 1982. I wish Brian would have given some specifics about what was actually inspired by what, but he just said in general Thriller was inspired by HS which isn't very useful info...I'm sure LOTS of things inspired Thriller![/QUOTE]
Even in that case, as it's been pointed out before, he only wrote four songs there, off which one had been written at the time of 'The Game', and two don't sound Queen-esque (even for HS standards) at all. 'Billie Jean' has a similar drumming to 'Dancer', but such pattern could have been influenced by scores of different songs by other artists as well. And even if Jacko'd been inspired by 'Dancer' for that intro, there's a big difference between that and having HS as a principal influence.
Actually he could have been inspired by HS before its release, since Michael and Freddie were hanging out and Michael may have heard HS songs in the studio even before 1982. I wish Brian would have given some specifics about what was actually inspired by what, but he just said in general Thriller was inspired by HS which isn't very useful info...I'm sure LOTS of things inspired Thriller![/QUOTE]
Even in that case, as it's been pointed out before, he only wrote four songs there, off which one had been written at the time of 'The Game', and two don't sound Queen-esque (even for HS standards) at all. 'Billie Jean' has a similar drumming to 'Dancer', but such pattern could have been influenced by scores of different songs by other artists as well. And even if Jacko'd been inspired by 'Dancer' for that intro, there's a big difference between that and having HS as a principal influence.
I love Hot Space. It's a really good album. I just think people are blinded at the sudden genre switch of the music. Hence the ignorant remarks about the album.
C'est moi. J'adore Hot Space. Je n'aime pas Cool Cat et Action This Day (Studio Version).
Translation: It is me. Hot Space has the cool. Not the Cool Cat and Action This Day Studio Version. Ank.
Translation: It is me. Hot Space has the cool. Not the Cool Cat and Action This Day Studio Version. Ank.
I love Hot Space - especially Cool Cat, Las Palabras de Amor, Action This Day and Back Chat:)
I LIKE HOT SPACE. :D
Especially Staying Power. And Action This Day. And Life Is Real. And Under Pressure, of course. ^_^
Especially Staying Power. And Action This Day. And Life Is Real. And Under Pressure, of course. ^_^
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Armando Alejandro Estrada wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sparrow wrote: [/QUOTENAME]i LOVE the bassline to staying power....soo fun 8-)[/QUOTE]
There's no bassline on SP, it's synthetizers.
I like Hot Space, because it's one of the few Queen albums on which I don't fast forwards songs. The Game and A Kind of Magic have stronger songs, but have also shitty ones like Don't try suicide, Coming Soon, Don't lose your head, Kurgan's theme and Man On The Prowl from The Works. I love Hot Space, it's one of my favorite.
Queen's worst albums are Flash Gordon and Jazz.[/QUOTE]
You're crazy!! "Don't Try Suicide" and "Man On the Prowl" are THE BEST!!!!!! And I agree to Flash Gordon, but JAZZ??? THAT ONE IS AMAZING.
There's no bassline on SP, it's synthetizers.
I like Hot Space, because it's one of the few Queen albums on which I don't fast forwards songs. The Game and A Kind of Magic have stronger songs, but have also shitty ones like Don't try suicide, Coming Soon, Don't lose your head, Kurgan's theme and Man On The Prowl from The Works. I love Hot Space, it's one of my favorite.
Queen's worst albums are Flash Gordon and Jazz.[/QUOTE]
You're crazy!! "Don't Try Suicide" and "Man On the Prowl" are THE BEST!!!!!! And I agree to Flash Gordon, but JAZZ??? THAT ONE IS AMAZING.