I do think that BM does recall any ong that is recorded, because it is a time taking proces...And musicians are mostly proud of their work. Especially in the period of the first albums all mst be very exciting.
But yes I don;t know who is wrong... JSScould you reply to this topic ?
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Benn, I think you miss the point about the skepticism around JSS's claims. And I also feel your comment about Brian and the tape thing is misguided.
As a musician, I certainly don't remember everything I've recorded. From a musician's point of view, I have loved archiving my tracks and discovering them. There was a time I'd listen to some every few months. And the way Brian has talked about these things (i.e. music discoveries, etc.) on his soapbox has always given me the impression that he feels the same. I think it's a musician's way of thinking. Not for everyone, true, but definitely with someone like Brian. But then, Brian doesn't really get the chance to wander the archive and just play stuff to remind himself about old songs, does he.
Now, you must understand that just because JSS says he has something, doesn't mean we can all turn around and say, "I believe you!"
No. I don't know him, so how can I blindly believe it's true. And if someone vouches for him on here, guess what, I don't know them either! It's very difficult to believe everything you read here. And it's true that there have been some instances over the years of people embellishing stories about things here.
So, it's not surprising that there are people here asking for some kind of proof to what's been said. It's natural. Just don't think they're ignorant about JSS and his reputation. There are plenty that are fully aware of his reputation, but don't really know him or anything about what he has - Only the lists he puts up here. And again, that's where people's skeptic responses come in.
Adam.
As a musician, I certainly don't remember everything I've recorded. From a musician's point of view, I have loved archiving my tracks and discovering them. There was a time I'd listen to some every few months. And the way Brian has talked about these things (i.e. music discoveries, etc.) on his soapbox has always given me the impression that he feels the same. I think it's a musician's way of thinking. Not for everyone, true, but definitely with someone like Brian. But then, Brian doesn't really get the chance to wander the archive and just play stuff to remind himself about old songs, does he.
Now, you must understand that just because JSS says he has something, doesn't mean we can all turn around and say, "I believe you!"
No. I don't know him, so how can I blindly believe it's true. And if someone vouches for him on here, guess what, I don't know them either! It's very difficult to believe everything you read here. And it's true that there have been some instances over the years of people embellishing stories about things here.
So, it's not surprising that there are people here asking for some kind of proof to what's been said. It's natural. Just don't think they're ignorant about JSS and his reputation. There are plenty that are fully aware of his reputation, but don't really know him or anything about what he has - Only the lists he puts up here. And again, that's where people's skeptic responses come in.
Adam.
JSS doesn´t have to prove if he has the song to me.
BUT, if QueenProductions asks for a deal, and he refuses to, or even refuses to prove to them that the song exists, after stating that he was open to it, then i think i will know what to think!
If he doesn´t want to deal with them it´s OK, but he should guive them prove that the studio version really exists. Let´s hope they´ll get to somewhere!
Take care
BUT, if QueenProductions asks for a deal, and he refuses to, or even refuses to prove to them that the song exists, after stating that he was open to it, then i think i will know what to think!
If he doesn´t want to deal with them it´s OK, but he should guive them prove that the studio version really exists. Let´s hope they´ll get to somewhere!
Take care
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]shadysenator wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I do think that BM does recall any ong that is recorded, because it is a time taking proces...And musicians are mostly proud of their work. Especially in the period of the first albums all mst be very exciting.
But yes I don;t know who is wrong... JSScould you reply to this topic ?
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That explains how he forgot about Silver Salmon then.
But yes I don;t know who is wrong... JSScould you reply to this topic ?
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That explains how he forgot about Silver Salmon then.
You'll have to pardon my stupidity on this one. Isn't an acetate record a rather fragile item? Doesn't it lose its high frequency end in terms of sound if played too much?
I ask this, only because I was observing that if John had recorded snippets as often as everyone asked, the damn thing would be near enough worn through by now.
Just a thought.
I ask this, only because I was observing that if John had recorded snippets as often as everyone asked, the damn thing would be near enough worn through by now.
Just a thought.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]ok.computer wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You'll have to pardon my stupidity on this one. Isn't an acetate record a rather fragile item? Doesn't it lose its high frequency end in terms of sound if played too much?
I ask this, only because I was observing that if John had recorded snippets as often as everyone asked, the damn thing would be near enough worn through by now.
Just a thought. [/QUOTE]
I believe you are quite correct. The discs themselves are very fragile with a tendency to dry out (increasing surface noise) and can only be played a limited number of times before high frequency roll-off becomes apparent.
I ask this, only because I was observing that if John had recorded snippets as often as everyone asked, the damn thing would be near enough worn through by now.
Just a thought. [/QUOTE]
I believe you are quite correct. The discs themselves are very fragile with a tendency to dry out (increasing surface noise) and can only be played a limited number of times before high frequency roll-off becomes apparent.
Actually it does not 'dry out', it's more a matter of the grooves wearing out. Acetates are made from a very soft material and is intented to be played only a minimal amount of times. Every play 'scratches' out pieces of wax which reduces music. In general one could say that after about 4 or 5 plays the music deteriorates. That's also why in general acetates are always sold accompanied by a (nowadays digital) transfer of the content. If JSS does not have a cd-r transfer he should immediately make one the very first time he plays te record. But I honestly assume that a collector like JSS knows this and DOES have a transfer.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Actually it does not 'dry out', it's more a matter of the grooves wearing out. Acetates are made from a very soft material and is intented to be played only a minimal amount of times. Every play 'scratches' out pieces of wax which reduces music. In general one could say that after about 4 or 5 plays the music deteriorates. That's also why in general acetates are always sold accompanied by a (nowadays digital) transfer of the content. If JSS does not have a cd-r transfer he should immediately make one the very first time he plays te record. But I honestly assume that a collector like JSS knows this and DOES have a transfer.[/QUOTE]
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...If JSS does not have a cd-r transfer he should immediately make one the very first time he plays te record. But I honestly assume that a collector like JSS knows this and DOES have a transfer.[/QUOTE]
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).[/QUOTE]
You may not be far from the truth there Zeb!
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).[/QUOTE]
You may not be far from the truth there Zeb!
Brian is a pensioner who has behind him 30 years of drugs and alcohol. Why do you think he can be sure about what did 30 years ago ?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...If JSS does not have a cd-r transfer he should immediately make one the very first time he plays te record. But I honestly assume that a collector like JSS knows this and DOES have a transfer.[/QUOTE]
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).[/QUOTE]
You may not be far from the truth there Zeb![/QUOTE]
So he either already ruined the record before making a back-up -in that case we lost Hangman forever- or he has not even ever played the record! God knows what's on it. ;-)))
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).[/QUOTE]
You may not be far from the truth there Zeb![/QUOTE]
So he either already ruined the record before making a back-up -in that case we lost Hangman forever- or he has not even ever played the record! God knows what's on it. ;-)))
> Kinda hard to do that. I did see him walk on water once. That's not something you forget.
He resurrected Pavarotti as well, and sent him to live with Elvis and Hitler somewhere in the Isle of Man.
> He (as the rest of us) will be dead for years once the box-set is released.
So will Brian, Roger and Greg. Queen will be Paul Rodgers + Ringo Starr by then, and of course, they'll tour as Queen + Beatles.
> In 1993 Brian was still convinced they never even recorded it in the studio...
And Brian also said 'My Fairy King' was on 'Queen II', 'Masterstroke' in the 'Opera' / 'Races' era, and so on.
> Zeppelin stated that numerous footage didn't ever exist and has now been released or is available on bootlegs.
Hadn't Roger and Brian denied the 'Smile' album at first too?
> I do think that BM does recall any ong that is recorded, because it is a time taking proces...And musicians are mostly proud of their work.
Yes, and he was proud of 'My Fairy King', just not enough to know which album was it on...
> Especially in the period of the first albums all mst be very exciting.
But likewise it's possible they did loads of "wasted" sessions, which didn't end up issued. Especially if they were using downtime...
He resurrected Pavarotti as well, and sent him to live with Elvis and Hitler somewhere in the Isle of Man.
> He (as the rest of us) will be dead for years once the box-set is released.
So will Brian, Roger and Greg. Queen will be Paul Rodgers + Ringo Starr by then, and of course, they'll tour as Queen + Beatles.
> In 1993 Brian was still convinced they never even recorded it in the studio...
And Brian also said 'My Fairy King' was on 'Queen II', 'Masterstroke' in the 'Opera' / 'Races' era, and so on.
> Zeppelin stated that numerous footage didn't ever exist and has now been released or is available on bootlegs.
Hadn't Roger and Brian denied the 'Smile' album at first too?
> I do think that BM does recall any ong that is recorded, because it is a time taking proces...And musicians are mostly proud of their work.
Yes, and he was proud of 'My Fairy King', just not enough to know which album was it on...
> Especially in the period of the first albums all mst be very exciting.
But likewise it's possible they did loads of "wasted" sessions, which didn't end up issued. Especially if they were using downtime...
shadysenator: To answer you frankly - No, I am not the Messiah. (I am just a very naughty boy!)
Nor have I desired Queenzone disciples, or asked that anything I say to be consumed as gospel.
In this sense I am just another Queenzone 'journalist' reporting the 'unfolding story' of Queen as I see it. whether I am believed - or not - is immaterial - that does nothing to either prove or disprove the existence of a 'Hangman' acetate.
However, what certainly CAN be demonstrated are certain contributory factors:
One: It is true - I do INDEED claim to own an EMI 'Hangman' 10" acetate.
Two: All of my 3231 posts since I first registered (Wednesday, July 25, 2001) are open to public scrutiny.
Three: I believe, to paraphrase the 'real' Messiah, 'by their fruits ye shall know them'.
Therefore - to find out how many 'lies' I have told in the past, trawl through these posts - and if I am a Queenzone journalist of repute - of good reputation, then you will see why my voice is reliable, and why I am a trusted member of this community.
But - if you find that all my other posts are lacking credibility, that I am indeed a journalist of bad reputation - then I agree perhaps I should be shunned for bringing this forum into shame or disrepute.
Either way - I am certainly offering NO snippets or samples to prove anything, and if my word is NOT good enough for you, then that is fine. Life still goes on.
As to WHY the disc was cut, I think you confuse promo discs with acetates.
I know collectors in here who own the works album as seperate 7" acetates. I know other collectors who own for example 'Ogre Battle' as an acetate, and this was not released as a single either.
An acetate can be cut by a sound engineer just to feel how a track would sound on disc, to testing the equipment, or to a band member wishing to keep a record of the evening's performance.
Truth is, I do not know WHY it was cut. I only know it exists.
Nor have I desired Queenzone disciples, or asked that anything I say to be consumed as gospel.
In this sense I am just another Queenzone 'journalist' reporting the 'unfolding story' of Queen as I see it. whether I am believed - or not - is immaterial - that does nothing to either prove or disprove the existence of a 'Hangman' acetate.
However, what certainly CAN be demonstrated are certain contributory factors:
One: It is true - I do INDEED claim to own an EMI 'Hangman' 10" acetate.
Two: All of my 3231 posts since I first registered (Wednesday, July 25, 2001) are open to public scrutiny.
Three: I believe, to paraphrase the 'real' Messiah, 'by their fruits ye shall know them'.
Therefore - to find out how many 'lies' I have told in the past, trawl through these posts - and if I am a Queenzone journalist of repute - of good reputation, then you will see why my voice is reliable, and why I am a trusted member of this community.
But - if you find that all my other posts are lacking credibility, that I am indeed a journalist of bad reputation - then I agree perhaps I should be shunned for bringing this forum into shame or disrepute.
Either way - I am certainly offering NO snippets or samples to prove anything, and if my word is NOT good enough for you, then that is fine. Life still goes on.
As to WHY the disc was cut, I think you confuse promo discs with acetates.
I know collectors in here who own the works album as seperate 7" acetates. I know other collectors who own for example 'Ogre Battle' as an acetate, and this was not released as a single either.
An acetate can be cut by a sound engineer just to feel how a track would sound on disc, to testing the equipment, or to a band member wishing to keep a record of the evening's performance.
Truth is, I do not know WHY it was cut. I only know it exists.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Adam Baboolal wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Jeroen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]...If JSS does not have a cd-r transfer he should immediately make one the very first time he plays te record. But I honestly assume that a collector like JSS knows this and DOES have a transfer.[/QUOTE]
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).[/QUOTE]
You may not be far from the truth there Zeb![/QUOTE]
Adam - a cheap shot, and uncalled for, I would have expected better.
(JSS looks embarrassed and runs off to get some CDs).[/QUOTE]
You may not be far from the truth there Zeb![/QUOTE]
Adam - a cheap shot, and uncalled for, I would have expected better.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Bobby_brown wrote: [/QUOTENAME]JSS doesn´t have to prove if he has the song to me.
BUT, if QueenProductions asks for a deal, and he refuses to, or even refuses to prove to them that the song exists, after stating that he was open to it, then i think i will know what to think!
If he doesn´t want to deal with them it´s OK, but he should guive them prove that the studio version really exists. Let´s hope they´ll get to somewhere!
Take care[/QUOTE]
I believe a conduit has opened between Queen Productions and myself. However, this still does NOT guarantee that the disc will ever be released!
BUT, if QueenProductions asks for a deal, and he refuses to, or even refuses to prove to them that the song exists, after stating that he was open to it, then i think i will know what to think!
If he doesn´t want to deal with them it´s OK, but he should guive them prove that the studio version really exists. Let´s hope they´ll get to somewhere!
Take care[/QUOTE]
I believe a conduit has opened between Queen Productions and myself. However, this still does NOT guarantee that the disc will ever be released!