Can someone explain to me why Sgt Peppers is considered as a concept album. Cause to me it has nothing to do with concept albums at all.
The original idea was to have a Lonely Hearts Club band sing the songs, and the only thing left from this original idea are the Sgt Peppers song and the Billy Shears thing right before With a little Help.
It's just a couple of great songs put together, in my opinion
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People tend to loosely put labels on anything: they say "concept" if the album's got segues, "sell-out" if the album's got synths, and "a band that mixes opera and rock" for a band that only had one minute of opera+rock in a 6K+ minute-long catalogue (i.e. less than 0.02%)
Yeah you're right, it's easier to label things
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]People tend to loosely put labels on anything: they say "concept" if the album's got segues, "sell-out" if the album's got synths, and "a band that mixes opera and rock" for a band that only had one minute of opera+rock in a 6K+ minute-long catalogue (i.e. less than 0.02%)[/QUOTE]
Haha, great point!
However, let's not forget Freddie Mercury sang baritone with Montserrat Caballe. In my humble opinion that should be taken into account when discussing Queen as an 'opera+rock' artist. It doesn't matter if he was solo, his behavior and actions reflect that of Queen, and vice versa.
That's the thing about Queen, they knew how to experiment. There's absolutely no way to categorize them. If anything, and I doubt this is even an appropriate title, you could call Queen an experimental rock group. They liked to get a taste of different genres, even if it's non-rock oriented.
Haha, great point!
However, let's not forget Freddie Mercury sang baritone with Montserrat Caballe. In my humble opinion that should be taken into account when discussing Queen as an 'opera+rock' artist. It doesn't matter if he was solo, his behavior and actions reflect that of Queen, and vice versa.
That's the thing about Queen, they knew how to experiment. There's absolutely no way to categorize them. If anything, and I doubt this is even an appropriate title, you could call Queen an experimental rock group. They liked to get a taste of different genres, even if it's non-rock oriented.
they were a popular musical group. 65% of the material they wrote was pop music.
Thats why I don't understand why people compare Mika and The Darkness to Freddie, cause Freddie rarely used ridiculously high falsetto in his lead vocals
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Thats why I don't understand why people compare Mika and The Darkness to Freddie, cause Freddie rarely used ridiculously high falsetto in his lead vocals[/QUOTE]
I think it's more visual than anything else, and as for The Darkness it's the guitar riffs that remind us of Queen. Not Justin Hawkin's vocal abilities, or lack there of. It's foolish and non-comprehending as to how somebody could campare the power and ultra diversity of Mercury's voice with the squeeling of a heroine addicted, lost, and incoherent rocker. I like Hawkins, due to his unique behavior and catchy melodies, but I would never say he's the next Mercury. I think I heard a guitar riff in one of their songs that was based off of one of the riffs in Now I'm Here. I didn't really care that they used a Queen riff, because eventually there will be no more guitar riffs that are new! We're always writing songs that resemble that of a previous artist, God knows it happens to me! I recall writing one song that was of a classical nature and thought "damn, this is some great stuff, the best I've ever written!" However, ten minutes later I thought "shit, I heard this before." It's bound to happen to every artist and I refuse to believe anybody these days is a true original. And by original I do mean somebody who actually has orignal ideas, stuff that doesn't resemble the past or replicate the past.
I think it's more visual than anything else, and as for The Darkness it's the guitar riffs that remind us of Queen. Not Justin Hawkin's vocal abilities, or lack there of. It's foolish and non-comprehending as to how somebody could campare the power and ultra diversity of Mercury's voice with the squeeling of a heroine addicted, lost, and incoherent rocker. I like Hawkins, due to his unique behavior and catchy melodies, but I would never say he's the next Mercury. I think I heard a guitar riff in one of their songs that was based off of one of the riffs in Now I'm Here. I didn't really care that they used a Queen riff, because eventually there will be no more guitar riffs that are new! We're always writing songs that resemble that of a previous artist, God knows it happens to me! I recall writing one song that was of a classical nature and thought "damn, this is some great stuff, the best I've ever written!" However, ten minutes later I thought "shit, I heard this before." It's bound to happen to every artist and I refuse to believe anybody these days is a true original. And by original I do mean somebody who actually has orignal ideas, stuff that doesn't resemble the past or replicate the past.
In an unreleased Pete Townshend song called "How Can I Help You Sir?", he accidentally paraphrases Ennio Morricone's theme from "The Mission". As he says in his little video in the studio; "If you love a song, then you will wind up playing it". And he's absolutely right there, it just happens sometimes.
I really don't mind similarities between songs because I'm always segueing them in my head anyhow. Self plagiarism is another thing that doesn't irk me much. Anyone ever notice how the verses of "Love of My Life" and "Bohemian Rhapsody" are basically the same thing!?? To me that's not really a problem.... it was just the music that was coming out of Freddie's head at that time, I don't think it diminishes him.
The only kind of plagiarism that shits me is the Oasis kind. They started out as a pretty respectable band until they had a collective brain-fart of the Al Gore variety and thought they were the Beatles. That's almost as bad as U2 being mentioned in the same breath as The Who.
I really don't mind similarities between songs because I'm always segueing them in my head anyhow. Self plagiarism is another thing that doesn't irk me much. Anyone ever notice how the verses of "Love of My Life" and "Bohemian Rhapsody" are basically the same thing!?? To me that's not really a problem.... it was just the music that was coming out of Freddie's head at that time, I don't think it diminishes him.
The only kind of plagiarism that shits me is the Oasis kind. They started out as a pretty respectable band until they had a collective brain-fart of the Al Gore variety and thought they were the Beatles. That's almost as bad as U2 being mentioned in the same breath as The Who.
> they were a popular musical group. 65% of the material they wrote was pop music.
I'm not sure about the exact percentage, but indeed it'd be a nice idea to try to establish their "home" style. I think that'd be a toss-up between Bri's "hard-rock songs with harmonies" (at least one per album in almost every case) and Fred's piano ballads (at least one per album from 'II' to 'Magic').
> Thats why I don't understand why people compare Mika and The Darkness to Freddie, cause Freddie rarely used ridiculously high falsetto in his lead vocals
Indeed.
> I like Hawkins, due to his unique behavior and catchy melodies, but I would never say he's the next Mercury.
To be fair, in some aspects he's above Mercury (e.g. guitar playing), although not in others. All in all, I hate the cunt (Justin, not Freddie), but I respect him as a marvellous musician, although not so much as a singer.
> I think I heard a guitar riff in one of their songs that was based off of one of the riffs in Now I'm Here.
Isn't NIH similar to a Stones' song or something?
> I refuse to believe anybody these days is a true original. And by original I do mean somebody who actually has orignal ideas, stuff that doesn't resemble the past or replicate the past.
For that matter, nobody's been original for over a hundred years.
> The only kind of plagiarism that shits me is the Oasis kind.
Or the Offspring kind, although it's nice to put 'Get a Job' and 'Obladi' together.
I'm not sure about the exact percentage, but indeed it'd be a nice idea to try to establish their "home" style. I think that'd be a toss-up between Bri's "hard-rock songs with harmonies" (at least one per album in almost every case) and Fred's piano ballads (at least one per album from 'II' to 'Magic').
> Thats why I don't understand why people compare Mika and The Darkness to Freddie, cause Freddie rarely used ridiculously high falsetto in his lead vocals
Indeed.
> I like Hawkins, due to his unique behavior and catchy melodies, but I would never say he's the next Mercury.
To be fair, in some aspects he's above Mercury (e.g. guitar playing), although not in others. All in all, I hate the cunt (Justin, not Freddie), but I respect him as a marvellous musician, although not so much as a singer.
> I think I heard a guitar riff in one of their songs that was based off of one of the riffs in Now I'm Here.
Isn't NIH similar to a Stones' song or something?
> I refuse to believe anybody these days is a true original. And by original I do mean somebody who actually has orignal ideas, stuff that doesn't resemble the past or replicate the past.
For that matter, nobody's been original for over a hundred years.
> The only kind of plagiarism that shits me is the Oasis kind.
Or the Offspring kind, although it's nice to put 'Get a Job' and 'Obladi' together.
"because eventually there will be no more guitar riffs that are new!"
Thats nonsense. I always like to compare notes to letters. There are 26 letters in the normal english alphabet (without the use of ö and á and accents like that). Just 26 letters. And about a quarter of the world population uses these 26 letters in lots of different languages.
Just 26 letters for soooo many words. Just imagine the possibilities. You can arrange them the way you like and form new words. And with just these 26 letters new words are made up every day!
And now... how many notes are there? Lets say there are about 90 notes you can use well (approximately the range of a piano) the special thing about these musical notes is that you can arrange them the way you want, like letters, but you can always stack them up to make chords. Now... The latin alphabet with it's 26 letters has been used for 2000 years. So there's like a million years when the possibilities run out
Thats nonsense. I always like to compare notes to letters. There are 26 letters in the normal english alphabet (without the use of ö and á and accents like that). Just 26 letters. And about a quarter of the world population uses these 26 letters in lots of different languages.
Just 26 letters for soooo many words. Just imagine the possibilities. You can arrange them the way you like and form new words. And with just these 26 letters new words are made up every day!
And now... how many notes are there? Lets say there are about 90 notes you can use well (approximately the range of a piano) the special thing about these musical notes is that you can arrange them the way you want, like letters, but you can always stack them up to make chords. Now... The latin alphabet with it's 26 letters has been used for 2000 years. So there's like a million years when the possibilities run out
Great post, Niek.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]FriedChicken<br><font size=1>The Almighty</font> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"because eventually there will be no more guitar riffs that are new!"
Thats nonsense. I always like to compare notes to letters. There are 26 letters in the normal english alphabet (without the use of ö and á and accents like that). Just 26 letters. And about a quarter of the world population uses these 26 letters in lots of different languages.
Just 26 letters for soooo many words. Just imagine the possibilities. You can arrange them the way you like and form new words. And with just these 26 letters new words are made up every day!
And now... how many notes are there? Lets say there are about 90 notes you can use well (approximately the range of a piano) the special thing about these musical notes is that you can arrange them the way you want, like letters, but you can always stack them up to make chords. Now... The latin alphabet with it's 26 letters has been used for 2000 years. So there's like a million years when the possibilities run out[/QUOTE]
Let's put this even further: the genetic code of all living things are built from a genetic alphabet of (I think) just four letters. You could state that music really is larger than life ;)
Thats nonsense. I always like to compare notes to letters. There are 26 letters in the normal english alphabet (without the use of ö and á and accents like that). Just 26 letters. And about a quarter of the world population uses these 26 letters in lots of different languages.
Just 26 letters for soooo many words. Just imagine the possibilities. You can arrange them the way you like and form new words. And with just these 26 letters new words are made up every day!
And now... how many notes are there? Lets say there are about 90 notes you can use well (approximately the range of a piano) the special thing about these musical notes is that you can arrange them the way you want, like letters, but you can always stack them up to make chords. Now... The latin alphabet with it's 26 letters has been used for 2000 years. So there's like a million years when the possibilities run out[/QUOTE]
Let's put this even further: the genetic code of all living things are built from a genetic alphabet of (I think) just four letters. You could state that music really is larger than life ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]In an unreleased Pete Townshend song called "How Can I Help You Sir?", [SNIP][/QUOTE]
Ehh?? What's the story behind that one, then..??? I haven't heard of it...how's that one slip under the radar..?
Ehh?? What's the story behind that one, then..??? I haven't heard of it...how's that one slip under the radar..?
"And with just these 26 letters new words are made up every day!"
A brilliant point sirrah : but not all of these words make sense, or are pleasant on the ear :)
"Ehh?? What's the story behind that one, then..??? I haven't heard of it...how's that one slip under the radar..?"
I dunno if the video is still on Youtube,
but it was a song that was under consideration for the "Endless Wire" album. I actually quite like the song, not sure why they left it off to be honest.
A brilliant point sirrah : but not all of these words make sense, or are pleasant on the ear :)
"Ehh?? What's the story behind that one, then..??? I haven't heard of it...how's that one slip under the radar..?"
I dunno if the video is still on Youtube,
but it was a song that was under consideration for the "Endless Wire" album. I actually quite like the song, not sure why they left it off to be honest.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Zebonka12 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]"And with just these 26 letters new words are made up every day!"
A brilliant point sirrah : but not all of these words make sense, or are pleasant on the ear :)[/QUOTE]
Of course, but words form sentences, speeches, prayers, novels, plays, essays ... and those are indeed new, even if they may quote or paraphrase some other works. Shakespeare didn't invent the words "to", "be", "or" and "not", but he put them together on an interesting way (which may be regarded as nonsense by some, but still...).
And also, consider riffs aren't only the notes per se, but the silences, the durations, etc... endless (or at least many many many many) possibilities out there!
A brilliant point sirrah : but not all of these words make sense, or are pleasant on the ear :)[/QUOTE]
Of course, but words form sentences, speeches, prayers, novels, plays, essays ... and those are indeed new, even if they may quote or paraphrase some other works. Shakespeare didn't invent the words "to", "be", "or" and "not", but he put them together on an interesting way (which may be regarded as nonsense by some, but still...).
And also, consider riffs aren't only the notes per se, but the silences, the durations, etc... endless (or at least many many many many) possibilities out there!