Hey just wondering how many ppl out there think Queen would have been more successful if Freddie wasn't gay
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From my knowledge and observations, Freddie’s sexuality wasn’t that obvious in the 70’s. Many bands of the time dressed in a simular style, perhaps with more volume, and sexual ambiguity was in, looking like women in bands were in. Aerosmith, one of Americans most recognised and popular bands of all time had simular styles to Queen.
I think it was the music that really mattered above all. I wouldn’t say Freddie’s sexuality would have made a strong impact. Today, Queen is more popular than ever. But I could be mistaken.
I think it was the music that really mattered above all. I wouldn’t say Freddie’s sexuality would have made a strong impact. Today, Queen is more popular than ever. But I could be mistaken.
I certainly think that Freddie's sexuality was apparant to folks in the US in 79/80 or thereabouts, and, unfortunately, my observation is that it DID impact their popularity in the US. I'm not certain WHY folks in the US seemed to be more aware, and, obsessed in a negative way with this.
Had Freddie not been gay, Queen wouldn't have existed... it was all him... the way he thought and the things he had to deal with, were all pretty much part of queen...
Not to negative but if Freddie wasn't gay he probably would still be on tour today. In the Ninetees and twentees AIDS is among all kind of people. In the eightees is was very much a disease spread by African and gay people. How hard it may sound, it's the truth.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queenman!! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No to negative but if Freddie wasn't gay he probably would still be on tour today. In the Ninetees and twentees AIDS is among all kind of people. In the eightees is was very much a disease spread by African and gay people. How hard it may sound, it's the truth. [/QUOTE]
Im straying of the posters initiall topic in which we may need to make a separate thread, But that does bring up an interesting topic, and to ask who could possible bring up an answers.
Being that aids was known to have its origins in Africa,how did it evolve to the extent where it consumed lives. What’s more, why was this more common with gay men in the 80’s than any other sexual life stlye?
Is there a logical link between the two?
Im straying of the posters initiall topic in which we may need to make a separate thread, But that does bring up an interesting topic, and to ask who could possible bring up an answers.
Being that aids was known to have its origins in Africa,how did it evolve to the extent where it consumed lives. What’s more, why was this more common with gay men in the 80’s than any other sexual life stlye?
Is there a logical link between the two?
Other hypothetical but nevertheless interesting questions that I often ask myself are:
What if Fred hadn´t been gay. Do you think the Village People would have been more popular if he had joined ´em right from the start? Would they still be touring?
Wouldn´t it be nice listening to David Hodo and Freddie singing La Japonaise live in Japan?
What if Fred hadn´t been gay. Do you think the Village People would have been more popular if he had joined ´em right from the start? Would they still be touring?
Wouldn´t it be nice listening to David Hodo and Freddie singing La Japonaise live in Japan?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]...ASSDUDE.... wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Queenman!! wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Not to negative but if Freddie wasn't gay he probably would still be on tour today. In the Ninetees and twentees AIDS is among all kind of people. In the eightees is was very much a disease spread by African and gay people. How hard it may sound, it's the truth. [/QUOTE]
Im straying of the posters initiall topic in which we may need to make a separate thread, But that does bring up an interesting topic, and to ask who could possible bring up an answers.
Being that aids was known to have its origins in Africa,how did it evolve to the extent where it consumed lives. What’s more, why was this more common with gay men in the 80’s than any other sexual life stlye?
Is there a logical link between the two?
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I think there is a logical link. There have be several studies based on sexual behavior of gay people. I'm not want to judge or discriminate on a certain group, but as far I know,even Freddie stated some time: Darling, I do everything with everybody and I f##k them all. Well....
Even studies and research proof that condoms are not very populair in the gay community. Really an interessting topic I think.....
Im straying of the posters initiall topic in which we may need to make a separate thread, But that does bring up an interesting topic, and to ask who could possible bring up an answers.
Being that aids was known to have its origins in Africa,how did it evolve to the extent where it consumed lives. What’s more, why was this more common with gay men in the 80’s than any other sexual life stlye?
Is there a logical link between the two?
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I think there is a logical link. There have be several studies based on sexual behavior of gay people. I'm not want to judge or discriminate on a certain group, but as far I know,even Freddie stated some time: Darling, I do everything with everybody and I f##k them all. Well....
Even studies and research proof that condoms are not very populair in the gay community. Really an interessting topic I think.....
Assuming Fred got HIV from another man, if Fred weren't gay, he probably wouldn't have died from AIDS (which still doesn't mean he'd still be alive). And in that case, Queen wouldn't be as popular as they became (note that many many many many people were 'converted' to Queenism AFTER Lord Teeth kicked it).
Get a life.
We judge a cake on its own merits.
Not from the baker's sexuality.
If a cake is p*sh = little or no sales.
If a cake is good = lots of sales.
The sexuality of the baker is usually unknown (and of little relevance) to the consumer.
How could globally giant tracks like 'Another One Bites The Dust' or 'We Will Rock You' be even more popular?
To suggest they could have been 'bigger hits' if Freddie was straight is just idiotic in the extreme.
I suppose you would apply the same homo-prejudices to Plato, Alexander the Great, Michelangelo Merisi da Caravaggio, Leonardo da Vinci, Sir Isaac Newton, Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Tennessee Williams, Cole Porter, Brian Epstein, Ian McKellen or even George Michael, Boy George and Elton John?
I am not gay.
I do not care a rat's ar*e if Freddie was Bi/Tri or quadroplegically sexually orientated.
I judge all art on its individual merits.
Some Queen sucks, some Queen is fine, but for me, most times Queen are an excellent rock band. It is that simple.
To bring sex into the equation is not only a red-herring, but an issue not worth discussing.
As I said: Get a life.
We judge a cake on its own merits.
Not from the baker's sexuality.
If a cake is p*sh = little or no sales.
If a cake is good = lots of sales.
The sexuality of the baker is usually unknown (and of little relevance) to the consumer.
How could globally giant tracks like 'Another One Bites The Dust' or 'We Will Rock You' be even more popular?
To suggest they could have been 'bigger hits' if Freddie was straight is just idiotic in the extreme.
I suppose you would apply the same homo-prejudices to Plato, Alexander the Great, Michelangelo Merisi da Caravaggio, Leonardo da Vinci, Sir Isaac Newton, Peter Ilyich Tchaikovsky, Tennessee Williams, Cole Porter, Brian Epstein, Ian McKellen or even George Michael, Boy George and Elton John?
I am not gay.
I do not care a rat's ar*e if Freddie was Bi/Tri or quadroplegically sexually orientated.
I judge all art on its individual merits.
Some Queen sucks, some Queen is fine, but for me, most times Queen are an excellent rock band. It is that simple.
To bring sex into the equation is not only a red-herring, but an issue not worth discussing.
As I said: Get a life.
Sure John, but not everybody thinks the same. For some, music is some sort of extremist religious doctrine: if you like punk, you can't like metal; if you like Beatles, you can't like Stones; if you like 'macho' bands, you can't like Queen; if you like the so-called 'classic rock', you can't like the 80's, 90's or 00's; if you like classical, you can't like jazz. All of those 'rules' are stupid, but in thousands (or even millions) of cases, they apply, unfortunately.
Denying that the homophobic factor was crucial for Queen's backlash would be ridiculous.
Most people, in the 21st century, when literacy is (relatively) common, when millions of men and women get undegraduate degrees, PhD's and stuff... millions still judge the cake by their bias against the baker, not by its own merit. Racism, xenophobia, elitism, etc. are current phenomena, which have been modernised, but haven't disappeared at all.
Denying that the homophobic factor was crucial for Queen's backlash would be ridiculous.
Most people, in the 21st century, when literacy is (relatively) common, when millions of men and women get undegraduate degrees, PhD's and stuff... millions still judge the cake by their bias against the baker, not by its own merit. Racism, xenophobia, elitism, etc. are current phenomena, which have been modernised, but haven't disappeared at all.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Denying that the homophobic factor was crucial for Queen's backlash would be ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I disagree Seb.
If we follow common logic that '...Break Free' was the track which 'killed' Queen in the US (and hence globally) then, I think this is an inaccurate assumption.
They had already missed the boat with both 'Flash' and 'Hot Space' being poor selling albums. I think this decline in sales was (frankly) due to p*sh product - and not sexuality.
By the time '...Break Free' hit the US, Queen were ALREADY in free-fall, and another has-been 70's band. (My point is that Queen did NOT dramatically or instantly fall from the top of the table, BUT rather, were already in full tumble mode).
Now, I accept your point that '...Break Free' may well have been the cherry on the cake, and was indeed the straw that finally broke the camel's back (and all other similarly related metaphors) and that this may well have been the result of homophobic sexual prejudices. I really can not argue against this.
But I still say that the 'beginning of the end' had very little to do with sex or homophobia - but getting the US market wrong by recording (by their own high standards) what was little more than pop-muzak drivel.
Denying that the homophobic factor was crucial for Queen's backlash would be ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I disagree Seb.
If we follow common logic that '...Break Free' was the track which 'killed' Queen in the US (and hence globally) then, I think this is an inaccurate assumption.
They had already missed the boat with both 'Flash' and 'Hot Space' being poor selling albums. I think this decline in sales was (frankly) due to p*sh product - and not sexuality.
By the time '...Break Free' hit the US, Queen were ALREADY in free-fall, and another has-been 70's band. (My point is that Queen did NOT dramatically or instantly fall from the top of the table, BUT rather, were already in full tumble mode).
Now, I accept your point that '...Break Free' may well have been the cherry on the cake, and was indeed the straw that finally broke the camel's back (and all other similarly related metaphors) and that this may well have been the result of homophobic sexual prejudices. I really can not argue against this.
But I still say that the 'beginning of the end' had very little to do with sex or homophobia - but getting the US market wrong by recording (by their own high standards) what was little more than pop-muzak drivel.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sebastian wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Most people, in the 21st century, when literacy is (relatively) common, when millions of men and women get undegraduate degrees, PhD's and stuff... millions still judge the cake by their bias against the baker, not by its own merit. Racism, xenophobia, elitism, etc. are current phenomena, which have been modernised, but haven't disappeared at all.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, this is so true. As a music lover, I can see you are more interested in the art - than the artist. (Although it is interesting to find where the artist draws his inspiration from). Nevertheless, we can both judge art on its own merits - regardless of petty prejudices - or tribal instincts.
Sadly, I also expect this 'standard' in others too. So to attribute the decline of Queen to Freddie's sexuality - for me - is nonesense.
I do accept that it may have been a contributory factor, and I also accept that the answer to the question of Queen's decline is both long and complicated. (So I do not really dismiss your views).
However, I sometimes get frustrated by the glib simplicity of such theories - especially when they are so frequently rolled out as definitive answers.
But I guess that says more about me, than it does about the question!
Most people, in the 21st century, when literacy is (relatively) common, when millions of men and women get undegraduate degrees, PhD's and stuff... millions still judge the cake by their bias against the baker, not by its own merit. Racism, xenophobia, elitism, etc. are current phenomena, which have been modernised, but haven't disappeared at all.[/QUOTE]
Sadly, this is so true. As a music lover, I can see you are more interested in the art - than the artist. (Although it is interesting to find where the artist draws his inspiration from). Nevertheless, we can both judge art on its own merits - regardless of petty prejudices - or tribal instincts.
Sadly, I also expect this 'standard' in others too. So to attribute the decline of Queen to Freddie's sexuality - for me - is nonesense.
I do accept that it may have been a contributory factor, and I also accept that the answer to the question of Queen's decline is both long and complicated. (So I do not really dismiss your views).
However, I sometimes get frustrated by the glib simplicity of such theories - especially when they are so frequently rolled out as definitive answers.
But I guess that says more about me, than it does about the question!
The sexual side should never come into it at all.
I went to see Queen because IMHO they were four extremely talented musicians who graced that stage and whose musical abilities complimented one another on stage.And in Freddie they had the complete showman/entertainer and slighly blemished idol
Would you have liked Jimi Hendrix any less if he admitted he was gay.
I'm like John S Stuart on that side.I couldnt give a toss about Freddie's sexual orientation.
I went to see Queen because IMHO they were four extremely talented musicians who graced that stage and whose musical abilities complimented one another on stage.And in Freddie they had the complete showman/entertainer and slighly blemished idol
Would you have liked Jimi Hendrix any less if he admitted he was gay.
I'm like John S Stuart on that side.I couldnt give a toss about Freddie's sexual orientation.
NO.