[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You might ask how being generous and giving to things is selfish but it is because everything a person ever does is for him/herself.[/QUOTE]
So you're a doctor of psychology now too?
Your band is the second-best band ever (better than Mozart), you have the inside scoop on the "New World Order", and you are the first person to finally have the answer to the selflessness vs selfishness debate.
We stand in awe.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You might ask how being generous and giving to things is selfish but it is because everything a person ever does is for him/herself.[/QUOTE]
Oh, so you're a doctor of psychology now too?
Your band is the second-best band ever (better than Mozart), you have the inside scoop on the "New World Order", and you are the first person to finally have the answer to the selflessness vs selfishness debate.
We stand in awe.
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of course, prove me wrong about the selfishness thing, im waiting :)
Oh, so you're a doctor of psychology now too?
Your band is the second-best band ever (better than Mozart), you have the inside scoop on the "New World Order", and you are the first person to finally have the answer to the selflessness vs selfishness debate.
We stand in awe.
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of course, prove me wrong about the selfishness thing, im waiting :)
First present your biological/chemical research and of course, your published article in a scientific journal. You are the one who needs to prove you're right.
Your personal opinions aren't "inherently right until they're proven wrong". Taking such a stance is called the "argument from ignorance".
I invented spray sun-block.
I am a lost son of Mick Jagger.
I hold the key to your success and happiness.
I am an illegal alien.
Prove me wrong. I'm waiting.
Your personal opinions aren't "inherently right until they're proven wrong". Taking such a stance is called the "argument from ignorance".
I invented spray sun-block.
I am a lost son of Mick Jagger.
I hold the key to your success and happiness.
I am an illegal alien.
Prove me wrong. I'm waiting.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]First present your biological/chemical research and of course, your published article in a scientific journal. You are the one who needs to prove you're right.
Your personal opinions aren't "inherently right until they're proven wrong". Taking such a stance is called the "argument from ignorance".
I invented spray sun-block.
I am a lost son of Mick Jagger.
I hold the key to your success and happiness.
I am an illegal alien.
Prove me wrong. I'm waiting.
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wow was that a stupid answer or what? why dont you explain to me why not every single human is selfish? just answer the question.
Your personal opinions aren't "inherently right until they're proven wrong". Taking such a stance is called the "argument from ignorance".
I invented spray sun-block.
I am a lost son of Mick Jagger.
I hold the key to your success and happiness.
I am an illegal alien.
Prove me wrong. I'm waiting.
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wow was that a stupid answer or what? why dont you explain to me why not every single human is selfish? just answer the question.
No, I'm just playing at your level. I'm telling you some "facts" the same way you're telling me "facts". Why can't you in turn prove my propositions to be wrong? If you can write a song better than Imagine or Mozart's Requiem, then you can surely do that.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, I'm just playing at your level. I'm telling you some "facts" the same way you're telling me "facts". Why can't you in turn prove my propositions to be wrong? If you can write a song better than Imagine or Mozart's Requiem, then you can surely do that.
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though those songs are good yes my band can write equally good or better songs yes, now back to the question, answer it
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though those songs are good yes my band can write equally good or better songs yes, now back to the question, answer it
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, I'm just playing at your level. I'm telling you some "facts" the same way you're telling me "facts". Why can't you in turn prove my propositions to be wrong? If you can write a song better than Imagine or Mozart's Requiem, then you can surely do that.
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though those songs are good yes my band can write equally good or better songs, now back to the question, answer it
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though those songs are good yes my band can write equally good or better songs, now back to the question, answer it
You don't get it. You're exposing your ignorance, arrogance, and downright idiocy with everything you say. Yes, most unprovable claims can't be proven wrong - but that doesn't make them inherently right. Your ability to debate at even a beginner level leaves much to be desired, and there is no point in continuing this conversation with you, like all the others.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You don't get it. You're exposing your ignorance, arrogance, and downright idiocy with everything you say. Yes, most unprovable claims can't be proven wrong - but that doesn't make them inherently right. Your ability to debate at even a beginner level leaves much to be desired, and there is no point in continuing this conversation with you, like all the others.
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its a simple answer, prove me wrong that every single human being isnt selfish, i think you cant. It does make it right because what im saying is logical, if its not give me an example how someone isnt selfish. This is logical thinking.
It seems you know im right and you cant say anything against it.
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its a simple answer, prove me wrong that every single human being isnt selfish, i think you cant. It does make it right because what im saying is logical, if its not give me an example how someone isnt selfish. This is logical thinking.
It seems you know im right and you cant say anything against it.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It does make it right because what im saying is logical, if its not give me an example how someone isnt selfish. This is logical thinking.[/QUOTE]
Assuming that unprovable claims are right is not logical thinking. You will begin thinking logically the day you realize your opinions are not perpetual facts that the world must live by.
Good day to you.
Assuming that unprovable claims are right is not logical thinking. You will begin thinking logically the day you realize your opinions are not perpetual facts that the world must live by.
Good day to you.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sir GH<br><h6>ah yeah</h6> wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME]It does make it right because what im saying is logical, if its not give me an example how someone isnt selfish. This is logical thinking.[/QUOTE]
Assuming that unprovable claims are right is not logical thinking. You will begin thinking logically the day you realize your opinions are not perpetual facts that the world must live by.
Good day to you.
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its unprovable? i just proved it and you cant prove me wrong. see if you thought i was wrong you would just give me a simple example of someone not being selfish and you couldnt! therfor i am right, simple logic.
Assuming that unprovable claims are right is not logical thinking. You will begin thinking logically the day you realize your opinions are not perpetual facts that the world must live by.
Good day to you.
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its unprovable? i just proved it and you cant prove me wrong. see if you thought i was wrong you would just give me a simple example of someone not being selfish and you couldnt! therfor i am right, simple logic.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haggis McShagPants wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You almost have a point.
How do you explain people like me then, who don't actually enjoy accolades for 'being nice'? Such outpourings make me feel awkward. I just give people their gifts/presents and tell them to shuddup.[/QUOTE]
well you still do it because you would feel even more bad if you didnt. Its about making yourself feel good in the end no matter how you do it.[/QUOTE]
You don't understand ; I have no guilt. Your scenario makes no sense, please try again? Explain to me again how this works.
How do you explain people like me then, who don't actually enjoy accolades for 'being nice'? Such outpourings make me feel awkward. I just give people their gifts/presents and tell them to shuddup.[/QUOTE]
well you still do it because you would feel even more bad if you didnt. Its about making yourself feel good in the end no matter how you do it.[/QUOTE]
You don't understand ; I have no guilt. Your scenario makes no sense, please try again? Explain to me again how this works.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haggis McShagPants wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haggis McShagPants wrote: [/QUOTENAME]You almost have a point.
How do you explain people like me then, who don't actually enjoy accolades for 'being nice'? Such outpourings make me feel awkward. I just give people their gifts/presents and tell them to shuddup.[/QUOTE]
well you still do it because you would feel even more bad if you didnt. Its about making yourself feel good in the end no matter how you do it.[/QUOTE]
You don't understand ; I have no guilt. Your scenario makes no sense, please try again? Explain to me again how this works.[/QUOTE]
It must be something that makes you feel less bad otherwise why would you do it if you dont feel guilt or anything? ask yourself that and answer.
What im saying is that everything a person ever does is selfish, wether its by being generous, giving, loving towards others or the opposite because by either of those 2 choices of behaviour you are gaining something for youself.
f you give, are generous etc then you feel good because people like you and they think how good you are etc and you are gaining something for yourself and thats a selfish act.
the same if you take, being rude to anyone and not caring, its also selfish but a different apporach and that depends on what kinda person you are, if you are going to be positively selfish or negatively.
In the end everything you ever do is to make yourself feel better or less bad in situations which makes everything you ever do only for yourself.
How do you explain people like me then, who don't actually enjoy accolades for 'being nice'? Such outpourings make me feel awkward. I just give people their gifts/presents and tell them to shuddup.[/QUOTE]
well you still do it because you would feel even more bad if you didnt. Its about making yourself feel good in the end no matter how you do it.[/QUOTE]
You don't understand ; I have no guilt. Your scenario makes no sense, please try again? Explain to me again how this works.[/QUOTE]
It must be something that makes you feel less bad otherwise why would you do it if you dont feel guilt or anything? ask yourself that and answer.
What im saying is that everything a person ever does is selfish, wether its by being generous, giving, loving towards others or the opposite because by either of those 2 choices of behaviour you are gaining something for youself.
f you give, are generous etc then you feel good because people like you and they think how good you are etc and you are gaining something for yourself and thats a selfish act.
the same if you take, being rude to anyone and not caring, its also selfish but a different apporach and that depends on what kinda person you are, if you are going to be positively selfish or negatively.
In the end everything you ever do is to make yourself feel better or less bad in situations which makes everything you ever do only for yourself.
The definition of "selfish" is 'concerned chiefly or only for oneself.' or 'taking care of oneself without thought for others.' So, even though say, giving to a charity might make me feel good inside, it hardly makes me selfish. As the 'feeling good' is merely a side affect of my giving, not the reason for my giving. My reason for giving is to make someone else happy or to make their life better and that is the complete opposite of selfishness.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Janet wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The definition of "selfish" is 'concerned chiefly or only for oneself.' or 'taking care of oneself without thought for others.' So, even though say, giving to a charity might make me feel good inside, it hardly makes me selfish. As the 'feeling good' is merely a side affect of my giving, not the reason for my giving. My reason for giving is to make someone else happy or to make their life better and that is the complete opposite of selfishness.[/QUOTE]
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.