Sorry, this just doesn't work with me. I know you've put a lot of effort into this little thesis of yours, even going so far as to start a thread on the matter, but it doesn't work with me.
Your argument is too simple (No surprises there) to cover all human emotional states and scenarios. What about shit that we do out of habit?
And there are some pretty un-emotional people out there you know..
Often I do a nice thing 'because I can', and it has nothing to do with being nice or being thanked. Where exactly is the selfishness in that? I do x thing that costs me y money and I get ZERO enjoyment out of it. Then I go on with my life and forget that I've done the thing, and honestly don't care if I ever get thanked for it.
Explain!
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haggis McShagPants wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry, this just doesn't work with me. I know you've put a lot of effort into this little thesis of yours, even going so far as to start a thread on the matter, but it doesn't work with me.
Your argument is too simple (No surprises there) to cover all human emotional states and scenarios. What about shit that we do out of habit?
And there are some pretty un-emotional people out there you know..
Often I do a nice thing 'because I can', and it has nothing to do with being nice or being thanked. Where exactly is the selfishness in that? I do x thing that costs me y money and I get ZERO enjoyment out of it. Then I go on with my life and forget that I've done the thing, and honestly don't care if I ever get thanked for it.
Explain![/QUOTE]
that doesnt make sense, you dont do anything without gaining something. Analyze yourself better.
Your argument is too simple (No surprises there) to cover all human emotional states and scenarios. What about shit that we do out of habit?
And there are some pretty un-emotional people out there you know..
Often I do a nice thing 'because I can', and it has nothing to do with being nice or being thanked. Where exactly is the selfishness in that? I do x thing that costs me y money and I get ZERO enjoyment out of it. Then I go on with my life and forget that I've done the thing, and honestly don't care if I ever get thanked for it.
Explain![/QUOTE]
that doesnt make sense, you dont do anything without gaining something. Analyze yourself better.
TM: Can you explain WHY THE FUCK it's so important to prove to you people AREN'T selfish to be begin with? What it your obsession with trying to make it seem like you've figured out so much, and everyone else is ignorant? It seems you're the only one here who's ignorant. If you don't have a bunch of yes men at your side, you gotta turn it into a huge debate and then keep repeating the same question back at us without even considering that your own "fact" is just an opinion. You have no common sense of debate. Why can't you listen to others, why should we only listen to you? Is there a reason you want to appear to be the almighty knower of all? If you're this stubborn, I don't see any reason you can expect anyone to like you at all, not even in the real world outside of the internet. If you're this much of an ass with everyone you meet, they must immediately get a "WTF!?" expression on their face the instant you open your mouth to them.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haggis McShagPants wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry, this just doesn't work with me. I know you've put a lot of effort into this little thesis of yours, even going so far as to start a thread on the matter, but it doesn't work with me.
Your argument is too simple (No surprises there) to cover all human emotional states and scenarios. What about shit that we do out of habit?
And there are some pretty un-emotional people out there you know..
Often I do a nice thing 'because I can', and it has nothing to do with being nice or being thanked. Where exactly is the selfishness in that? I do x thing that costs me y money and I get ZERO enjoyment out of it. Then I go on with my life and forget that I've done the thing, and honestly don't care if I ever get thanked for it.
Explain![/QUOTE]
that doesnt make sense, you dont do anything without gaining something. Analyze yourself better.[/QUOTE]
No, you make no sense. Face it. Your flimsy, stupid theory will not work with everyone because (thank FUCK) we're not all like you.
Your assertion is that everything we do in life is for some personal gain, and I'm telling you that for me, specifically, this isn't the case. So... you're wrong. About me, anyway, and I know your theory wasn't about me specifically but you did say 'the whole human race' and I felt I had to speak up.
Your argument is too simple (No surprises there) to cover all human emotional states and scenarios. What about shit that we do out of habit?
And there are some pretty un-emotional people out there you know..
Often I do a nice thing 'because I can', and it has nothing to do with being nice or being thanked. Where exactly is the selfishness in that? I do x thing that costs me y money and I get ZERO enjoyment out of it. Then I go on with my life and forget that I've done the thing, and honestly don't care if I ever get thanked for it.
Explain![/QUOTE]
that doesnt make sense, you dont do anything without gaining something. Analyze yourself better.[/QUOTE]
No, you make no sense. Face it. Your flimsy, stupid theory will not work with everyone because (thank FUCK) we're not all like you.
Your assertion is that everything we do in life is for some personal gain, and I'm telling you that for me, specifically, this isn't the case. So... you're wrong. About me, anyway, and I know your theory wasn't about me specifically but you did say 'the whole human race' and I felt I had to speak up.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haggis McShagPants wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Haggis McShagPants wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Sorry, this just doesn't work with me. I know you've put a lot of effort into this little thesis of yours, even going so far as to start a thread on the matter, but it doesn't work with me.
Your argument is too simple (No surprises there) to cover all human emotional states and scenarios. What about shit that we do out of habit?
And there are some pretty un-emotional people out there you know..
Often I do a nice thing 'because I can', and it has nothing to do with being nice or being thanked. Where exactly is the selfishness in that? I do x thing that costs me y money and I get ZERO enjoyment out of it. Then I go on with my life and forget that I've done the thing, and honestly don't care if I ever get thanked for it.
Explain![/QUOTE]
that doesnt make sense, you dont do anything without gaining something. Analyze yourself better.[/QUOTE]
No, you make no sense. Face it. Your flimsy, stupid theory will not work with everyone because (thank FUCK) we're not all like you.
Your assertion is that everything we do in life is for some personal gain, and I'm telling you that for me, specifically, this isn't the case. So... you're wrong. About me, anyway, and I know your theory wasn't about me specifically but you did say 'the whole human race' and I felt I had to speak up.[/QUOTE]
you do the things you do for a reason, dont kid yourself that you arent and that reason is to gain, feel good or feel less bad.
Your argument is too simple (No surprises there) to cover all human emotional states and scenarios. What about shit that we do out of habit?
And there are some pretty un-emotional people out there you know..
Often I do a nice thing 'because I can', and it has nothing to do with being nice or being thanked. Where exactly is the selfishness in that? I do x thing that costs me y money and I get ZERO enjoyment out of it. Then I go on with my life and forget that I've done the thing, and honestly don't care if I ever get thanked for it.
Explain![/QUOTE]
that doesnt make sense, you dont do anything without gaining something. Analyze yourself better.[/QUOTE]
No, you make no sense. Face it. Your flimsy, stupid theory will not work with everyone because (thank FUCK) we're not all like you.
Your assertion is that everything we do in life is for some personal gain, and I'm telling you that for me, specifically, this isn't the case. So... you're wrong. About me, anyway, and I know your theory wasn't about me specifically but you did say 'the whole human race' and I felt I had to speak up.[/QUOTE]
you do the things you do for a reason, dont kid yourself that you arent and that reason is to gain, feel good or feel less bad.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Janet wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The definition of "selfish" is 'concerned chiefly or only for oneself.' or 'taking care of oneself without thought for others.' So, even though say, giving to a charity might make me feel good inside, it hardly makes me selfish. As the 'feeling good' is merely a side affect of my giving, not the reason for my giving. My reason for giving is to make someone else happy or to make their life better and that is the complete opposite of selfishness.[/QUOTE]
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.[/QUOTE]
This is simply your opinion. Thanks for sharing it, but my opinion is different than yours. And while you feel that you are right in this instance, I feel just as strongly that I am. So there is really nothing left for me to say.
Carry on.
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.[/QUOTE]
This is simply your opinion. Thanks for sharing it, but my opinion is different than yours. And while you feel that you are right in this instance, I feel just as strongly that I am. So there is really nothing left for me to say.
Carry on.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Janet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Janet wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The definition of "selfish" is 'concerned chiefly or only for oneself.' or 'taking care of oneself without thought for others.' So, even though say, giving to a charity might make me feel good inside, it hardly makes me selfish. As the 'feeling good' is merely a side affect of my giving, not the reason for my giving. My reason for giving is to make someone else happy or to make their life better and that is the complete opposite of selfishness.[/QUOTE]
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.[/QUOTE]
This is simply your opinion. Thanks for sharing it, but my opinion is different than yours. And while you feel that you are right in this instance, I feel just as strongly that I am. So there is really nothing left for me to say.
Carry on.
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its not an opinion, its a fact and if you cant prove me wrong please try but dont say that it isnt selfish to give because YOU gain something from it first of all and THEN the others gain from your generousity.
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.[/QUOTE]
This is simply your opinion. Thanks for sharing it, but my opinion is different than yours. And while you feel that you are right in this instance, I feel just as strongly that I am. So there is really nothing left for me to say.
Carry on.
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its not an opinion, its a fact and if you cant prove me wrong please try but dont say that it isnt selfish to give because YOU gain something from it first of all and THEN the others gain from your generousity.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Janet wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Treasure Moment wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Janet wrote: [/QUOTENAME]The definition of "selfish" is 'concerned chiefly or only for oneself.' or 'taking care of oneself without thought for others.' So, even though say, giving to a charity might make me feel good inside, it hardly makes me selfish. As the 'feeling good' is merely a side affect of my giving, not the reason for my giving. My reason for giving is to make someone else happy or to make their life better and that is the complete opposite of selfishness.[/QUOTE]
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.[/QUOTE]
This is simply your opinion. Thanks for sharing it, but my opinion is different than yours. And while you feel that you are right in this instance, I feel just as strongly that I am. So there is really nothing left for me to say.
Carry on.
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its not an opinion, its a fact and if you can prove me wrong please try but dont say that it isnt selfish to give because YOU gain something from it first of all and THEN the others gain from your generousity.
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Prove it.
edit* Actually I really don't want you to prove it, because you can't afterall. I just wanted you to see how rediculous you sound.
you missed the point, its still being selfish. You feel better when you give, pay attention to the word YOU. Everything you ever do is for yourself and to feel better. Of course its better to be selfish like that rather than the opposite but in the end we are selfish no matter what we do, its built into the body.[/QUOTE]
This is simply your opinion. Thanks for sharing it, but my opinion is different than yours. And while you feel that you are right in this instance, I feel just as strongly that I am. So there is really nothing left for me to say.
Carry on.
[/QUOTE]
its not an opinion, its a fact and if you can prove me wrong please try but dont say that it isnt selfish to give because YOU gain something from it first of all and THEN the others gain from your generousity.
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Prove it.
edit* Actually I really don't want you to prove it, because you can't afterall. I just wanted you to see how rediculous you sound.
(sorry, double post)
@ TM
I hate to see someone so ignorant continuing to spew their ignorance when I can do something about it. I realize I'm probably railing against a brick wall, but call it a weakness of mine. I have to TRY to help you.
Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric:
* Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument.
* Argument from "authority".
* Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable" decision).
* Appeal to ignorance (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).
* Special pleading (typically referring to god's will).
* Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased).
* Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the misses).
* Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from inadequate sample sizes).
* Misunderstanding the nature of statistics (President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!)
* Inconsistency (e.g. military expenditures based on worst case scenarios but scientific projections on environmental dangers thriftily ignored because they are not "proved").
* Non sequitur - "it does not follow" - the logic falls down.
* Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - "it happened after so it was caused by" - confusion of cause and effect.
* Meaningless question ("what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?).
* Excluded middle -considering only the two extremes in a range of possibilities (making the "other side" look worse than it really is).
* Short-term v. long-term - a subset of excluded middle ("why pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?").
* Slippery slope - a subset of excluded middle -unwarranted extrapolation of the effects (give an inch and they will take a mile).
* Confusion of correlation and causation.
* Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack.
* Suppressed evidence or half-truths.
* Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the public" .
In this case you are using appeal to ignorance. Because it cannot be proven wrong does not make it true...it simply means that it cannot be proven. My suggestion is that you think about all of these things the next time you open your mouth, and work through it like a check list. You'd be surprised how quickly you will improve.
I hate to see someone so ignorant continuing to spew their ignorance when I can do something about it. I realize I'm probably railing against a brick wall, but call it a weakness of mine. I have to TRY to help you.
Common fallacies of logic and rhetoric:
* Ad hominem - attacking the arguer and not the argument.
* Argument from "authority".
* Argument from adverse consequences (putting pressure on the decision maker by pointing out dire consequences of an "unfavourable" decision).
* Appeal to ignorance (absence of evidence is not evidence of absence).
* Special pleading (typically referring to god's will).
* Begging the question (assuming an answer in the way the question is phrased).
* Observational selection (counting the hits and forgetting the misses).
* Statistics of small numbers (such as drawing conclusions from inadequate sample sizes).
* Misunderstanding the nature of statistics (President Eisenhower expressing astonishment and alarm on discovering that fully half of all Americans have below average intelligence!)
* Inconsistency (e.g. military expenditures based on worst case scenarios but scientific projections on environmental dangers thriftily ignored because they are not "proved").
* Non sequitur - "it does not follow" - the logic falls down.
* Post hoc, ergo propter hoc - "it happened after so it was caused by" - confusion of cause and effect.
* Meaningless question ("what happens when an irresistible force meets an immovable object?).
* Excluded middle -considering only the two extremes in a range of possibilities (making the "other side" look worse than it really is).
* Short-term v. long-term - a subset of excluded middle ("why pursue fundamental science when we have so huge a budget deficit?").
* Slippery slope - a subset of excluded middle -unwarranted extrapolation of the effects (give an inch and they will take a mile).
* Confusion of correlation and causation.
* Straw man - caricaturing (or stereotyping) a position to make it easier to attack.
* Suppressed evidence or half-truths.
* Weasel words - for example, use of euphemisms for war such as "police action" to get around limitations on Presidential powers. "An important art of politicians is to find new names for institutions which under old names have become odious to the public" .
In this case you are using appeal to ignorance. Because it cannot be proven wrong does not make it true...it simply means that it cannot be proven. My suggestion is that you think about all of these things the next time you open your mouth, and work through it like a check list. You'd be surprised how quickly you will improve.