[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][
Brian and Roger are at this very moment selling tickets to concerts where they are billed as "Queen".
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You make it sound like its some kind of crime...;)
Seriously everyone knows that Freddie is dead so I dont think anyone will be expecting something else. And John supports it. Even Freddies mother does.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but, and this does not apply to you in any way, this anti QPR thing has gotten out of hand. Its now gotten to the point where people are slagging off the 46664-project and even Nelson Mandela just because of it.[/QUOTE]
That's your interpretation, but my only intention was to make it sound like "Queen" is still very much a current thing.
Like you say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
No matter how many times we discuss the same thing, and no matter which "celebrities" support QPR.[/QUOTE]
Sure, all right.
I wasnt saying anything about celebrities promoting anything. John has clearly got a say in it and I dont really think that many people would call Freddies mother a celebrity.
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[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
If you wanted to further your argument, use John Lennon from the Beatles and John Bonham from Zeppelin and stop there. Irreplaceable members of the two of the three biggest bands of all time. They stopped when a member died, because without that member, who they were ceased to exist.
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So when the Beatles released that new song that Paul and George reworked for the Anthology LONG AFTER JOHN WAS DEAD doesn't count?
So that gig "Led Zeppelin - 1" played as "Led Zeppelin" doesn't count?
Sorry, one man doesn't make the band. That's why it's called a band.
Now if Barry Manilow died, God forbid, it would be wrong for his band to continue touring as Barry Manilow.[/QUOTE]
Great post. Genius :D
If you wanted to further your argument, use John Lennon from the Beatles and John Bonham from Zeppelin and stop there. Irreplaceable members of the two of the three biggest bands of all time. They stopped when a member died, because without that member, who they were ceased to exist.
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So when the Beatles released that new song that Paul and George reworked for the Anthology LONG AFTER JOHN WAS DEAD doesn't count?
So that gig "Led Zeppelin - 1" played as "Led Zeppelin" doesn't count?
Sorry, one man doesn't make the band. That's why it's called a band.
Now if Barry Manilow died, God forbid, it would be wrong for his band to continue touring as Barry Manilow.[/QUOTE]
Great post. Genius :D
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][
Brian and Roger are at this very moment selling tickets to concerts where they are billed as "Queen".
[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like its some kind of crime...;)
Seriously everyone knows that Freddie is dead so I dont think anyone will be expecting something else. And John supports it. Even Freddies mother does.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but, and this does not apply to you in any way, this anti QPR thing has gotten out of hand. Its now gotten to the point where people are slagging off the 46664-project and even Nelson Mandela just because of it.[/QUOTE]
That's your interpretation, but my only intention was to make it sound like "Queen" is still very much a current thing.
Like you say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
No matter how many times we discuss the same thing, and no matter which "celebrities" support QPR.[/QUOTE]
Sure, all right.
I wasnt saying anything about celebrities promoting anything. John has clearly got a say in it and I dont really think that many people would call Freddies mother a celebrity.[/QUOTE]
That's why the "celebrities" were in quotation marks.
Interestingly though, you seem to think both of their opinions are worth more than the regular folk on QZ, or you wouldn't have mentioned them in the first place. ;)
Brian and Roger are at this very moment selling tickets to concerts where they are billed as "Queen".
[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like its some kind of crime...;)
Seriously everyone knows that Freddie is dead so I dont think anyone will be expecting something else. And John supports it. Even Freddies mother does.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but, and this does not apply to you in any way, this anti QPR thing has gotten out of hand. Its now gotten to the point where people are slagging off the 46664-project and even Nelson Mandela just because of it.[/QUOTE]
That's your interpretation, but my only intention was to make it sound like "Queen" is still very much a current thing.
Like you say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
No matter how many times we discuss the same thing, and no matter which "celebrities" support QPR.[/QUOTE]
Sure, all right.
I wasnt saying anything about celebrities promoting anything. John has clearly got a say in it and I dont really think that many people would call Freddies mother a celebrity.[/QUOTE]
That's why the "celebrities" were in quotation marks.
Interestingly though, you seem to think both of their opinions are worth more than the regular folk on QZ, or you wouldn't have mentioned them in the first place. ;)
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No Microwave, since you asked, The Beatles releasing Free as a Bird does not count. It was, what, 5, 8, 10 years after Lennon's death, and it was a studio effort a la Made In Heaven, where it featured four original members. They didn't release that then say fifteen years later that Brian Wilson was a big hero of Lennon's, and he'd now sing for them and they'd still be The Beatles.
For whoever posted about Freddie and how he was not above commercialism, to the best of my knowledge during Freddie's life, Queen collaborated from a writing POV with only one artist, David Bowie. The highly repected Joan Armatrading did pointless backing vocals on one song, Billy Squier, who was a big fan of the band and an 80s superstar did BV's that never appeared on Hot Space, and Steve Howe, a genius guitarist and world clas musician, did some fantastic guitar work on Innuendo. So by my account, that's 4 people made up of 1 icon, 1 fantastic musician, 1 well respected singer songwriter and 1 grotesquesly underrated singer/songwrter/musician Queen worked with in Freddie's life. Since he died, Queen have worked with 5ive, Robbie Williams, McFly, Pink, Britney Spears and Beyonce. Many here would make a case for the above as artists, Beyonce and sometimes Pink aside, some wouldn't. Microwave's fave Mr. Manilow has more creative juice than virtually that latter list combined.
Finally, most people on earth know all four Beatles names. Most music fans would be able to identify Jagger and Richards as the main Stones, Page and Plant as the main Zep's, Daltrey and Townshend as the main Who guys, Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth for VH. I'd doubt that anyone but the hardcore music fan would know of Brian May (in North America, not ROTW.) In the 80s, Roger Taylor was one of the most famous drummers in the world. Sadly, not Queen's Roger Taylor, but his namesake from Duran Duran. I'd hazard 99.9% of the world wouldn't know John Deacon if they tripped over him. People know Freddie Mercury though, and to the average bloke, he was Queen. And with the whole gay/regal/larger than life thing that Queen was, not sure if there was ever a guy in music history who was more identified with his band's name than Freddie Mercury. Having said that, it's their right to call themselves Queen!!!!
For whoever posted about Freddie and how he was not above commercialism, to the best of my knowledge during Freddie's life, Queen collaborated from a writing POV with only one artist, David Bowie. The highly repected Joan Armatrading did pointless backing vocals on one song, Billy Squier, who was a big fan of the band and an 80s superstar did BV's that never appeared on Hot Space, and Steve Howe, a genius guitarist and world clas musician, did some fantastic guitar work on Innuendo. So by my account, that's 4 people made up of 1 icon, 1 fantastic musician, 1 well respected singer songwriter and 1 grotesquesly underrated singer/songwrter/musician Queen worked with in Freddie's life. Since he died, Queen have worked with 5ive, Robbie Williams, McFly, Pink, Britney Spears and Beyonce. Many here would make a case for the above as artists, Beyonce and sometimes Pink aside, some wouldn't. Microwave's fave Mr. Manilow has more creative juice than virtually that latter list combined.
Finally, most people on earth know all four Beatles names. Most music fans would be able to identify Jagger and Richards as the main Stones, Page and Plant as the main Zep's, Daltrey and Townshend as the main Who guys, Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth for VH. I'd doubt that anyone but the hardcore music fan would know of Brian May (in North America, not ROTW.) In the 80s, Roger Taylor was one of the most famous drummers in the world. Sadly, not Queen's Roger Taylor, but his namesake from Duran Duran. I'd hazard 99.9% of the world wouldn't know John Deacon if they tripped over him. People know Freddie Mercury though, and to the average bloke, he was Queen. And with the whole gay/regal/larger than life thing that Queen was, not sure if there was ever a guy in music history who was more identified with his band's name than Freddie Mercury. Having said that, it's their right to call themselves Queen!!!!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Collecting Queen wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Well, blah blah blah No Freddie no Queen blah blah blah What do you think?? [/QUOTE]
I think you need to get out more. Maybe get laid, enjoy some fresh air, visit an old friend ...
I think you need to get out more. Maybe get laid, enjoy some fresh air, visit an old friend ...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Tero wrote: [/QUOTENAME][
Brian and Roger are at this very moment selling tickets to concerts where they are billed as "Queen".
[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like its some kind of crime...;)
Seriously everyone knows that Freddie is dead so I dont think anyone will be expecting something else. And John supports it. Even Freddies mother does.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but, and this does not apply to you in any way, this anti QPR thing has gotten out of hand. Its now gotten to the point where people are slagging off the 46664-project and even Nelson Mandela just because of it.[/QUOTE]
That's your interpretation, but my only intention was to make it sound like "Queen" is still very much a current thing.
Like you say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
No matter how many times we discuss the same thing, and no matter which "celebrities" support QPR.[/QUOTE]
Sure, all right.
I wasnt saying anything about celebrities promoting anything. John has clearly got a say in it and I dont really think that many people would call Freddies mother a celebrity.[/QUOTE]
That's why the "celebrities" were in quotation marks.
Interestingly though, you seem to think both of their opinions are worth more than the regular folk on QZ, or you wouldn't have mentioned them in the first place. ;)[/QUOTE]
No, I think you misunderstand me. It is not my intention to say that anyones opinion is more worth than any others. But John was actually a member of Queen you know.. ;) just kidding
Brian and Roger are at this very moment selling tickets to concerts where they are billed as "Queen".
[/QUOTE]
You make it sound like its some kind of crime...;)
Seriously everyone knows that Freddie is dead so I dont think anyone will be expecting something else. And John supports it. Even Freddies mother does.
Everyone is entitled to their own opinions but, and this does not apply to you in any way, this anti QPR thing has gotten out of hand. Its now gotten to the point where people are slagging off the 46664-project and even Nelson Mandela just because of it.[/QUOTE]
That's your interpretation, but my only intention was to make it sound like "Queen" is still very much a current thing.
Like you say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
No matter how many times we discuss the same thing, and no matter which "celebrities" support QPR.[/QUOTE]
Sure, all right.
I wasnt saying anything about celebrities promoting anything. John has clearly got a say in it and I dont really think that many people would call Freddies mother a celebrity.[/QUOTE]
That's why the "celebrities" were in quotation marks.
Interestingly though, you seem to think both of their opinions are worth more than the regular folk on QZ, or you wouldn't have mentioned them in the first place. ;)[/QUOTE]
No, I think you misunderstand me. It is not my intention to say that anyones opinion is more worth than any others. But John was actually a member of Queen you know.. ;) just kidding
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]DARREN1977 wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
To be honest i wouldn't be Paul Rodgers biggest fan but it's surely better to hear half of the band doing something then a bunch of average singers doing karaoke versions like what happened at the Tribute Concert.[/QUOTE]
It would be far more dignified if Brian and Roger just continued recording together or as solo artists. If they weren't in it for the money this is exactly what they would be doing... go figure. These people can never have enough money - ook at McCartney, Bono etc.
Releasing material mostly sung by some has-been "blues" singer using the Queen monicker will definitely tarnish the Queen legacy. How can it not? There's little chance that this new album will be anything other than subpar based on their ability as musicians (particularly Roger)/songwriters now and the guy they've got singing.
Plus, it's about a legitimate if not less than McCartney and Ringo getting together and releasing material as The Beatles. Also, notice how both tours have been put on sale before anyones heard anything. Barely anyone has heard Q+PR perform before the first stadium tour... and this time no one has heard the Q+PR album before tickets have gone on sale.
And of course Roger is nasty and defensive about this subject - because he, unlike Brian, knows it's a piss take.
To be honest i wouldn't be Paul Rodgers biggest fan but it's surely better to hear half of the band doing something then a bunch of average singers doing karaoke versions like what happened at the Tribute Concert.[/QUOTE]
It would be far more dignified if Brian and Roger just continued recording together or as solo artists. If they weren't in it for the money this is exactly what they would be doing... go figure. These people can never have enough money - ook at McCartney, Bono etc.
Releasing material mostly sung by some has-been "blues" singer using the Queen monicker will definitely tarnish the Queen legacy. How can it not? There's little chance that this new album will be anything other than subpar based on their ability as musicians (particularly Roger)/songwriters now and the guy they've got singing.
Plus, it's about a legitimate if not less than McCartney and Ringo getting together and releasing material as The Beatles. Also, notice how both tours have been put on sale before anyones heard anything. Barely anyone has heard Q+PR perform before the first stadium tour... and this time no one has heard the Q+PR album before tickets have gone on sale.
And of course Roger is nasty and defensive about this subject - because he, unlike Brian, knows it's a piss take.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No Microwave, since you asked, The Beatles releasing Free as a Bird does not count. It was, what, 5, 8, 10 years after Lennon's death, and it was a studio effort a la Made In Heaven, where it featured four original members. They didn't release that then say fifteen years later that Brian Wilson was a big hero of Lennon's, and he'd now sing for them and they'd still be The Beatles.
For whoever posted about Freddie and how he was not above commercialism, to the best of my knowledge during Freddie's life, Queen collaborated from a writing POV with only one artist, David Bowie. The highly repected Joan Armatrading did pointless backing vocals on one song, Billy Squier, who was a big fan of the band and an 80s superstar did BV's that never appeared on Hot Space, and Steve Howe, a genius guitarist and world clas musician, did some fantastic guitar work on Innuendo. So by my account, that's 4 people made up of 1 icon, 1 fantastic musician, 1 well respected singer songwriter and 1 grotesquesly underrated singer/songwrter/musician Queen worked with in Freddie's life. Since he died, Queen have worked with 5ive, Robbie Williams, McFly, Pink, Britney Spears and Beyonce. Many here would make a case for the above as artists, Beyonce and sometimes Pink aside, some wouldn't. Microwave's fave Mr. Manilow has more creative juice than virtually that latter list combined.
Finally, most people on earth know all four Beatles names. Most music fans would be able to identify Jagger and Richards as the main Stones, Page and Plant as the main Zep's, Daltrey and Townshend as the main Who guys, Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth for VH. I'd doubt that anyone but the hardcore music fan would know of Brian May (in North America, not ROTW.) In the 80s, Roger Taylor was one of the most famous drummers in the world. Sadly, not Queen's Roger Taylor, but his namesake from Duran Duran. I'd hazard 99.9% of the world wouldn't know John Deacon if they tripped over him. People know Freddie Mercury though, and to the average bloke, he was Queen. And with the whole gay/regal/larger than life thing that Queen was, not sure if there was ever a guy in music history who was more identified with his band's name than Freddie Mercury. Having said that, it's their right to call themselves Queen!!!! [/QUOTE]
Brian May is a world-famous guitarist and widely regarded as one of the best there is. Even my dad knows who he is and he dont give a crap about Queen or playing the guitar. Roger Taylor and John Deacon while not equally famous as are also world-famous celebrities and highly regarded in the music world. Incidentally I think 60-75 % of the worlds population wouldnt know of Freddie either if they tripped over him.
Daltrey has always been considered the least "necessary" member by music critics while both Keith Moon and John Entwistle were hugely talented and unique musicians who actually were considered unreplaceable during their lifetime.
On the contrary Queen is a good example of a band where all four members had as much impact on what went on. Remember all four of them has written a number one hit single, except John who wrote two.
Sorry for any harsh language, not my meaning to insult anyone or anything like that.
Take care!
For whoever posted about Freddie and how he was not above commercialism, to the best of my knowledge during Freddie's life, Queen collaborated from a writing POV with only one artist, David Bowie. The highly repected Joan Armatrading did pointless backing vocals on one song, Billy Squier, who was a big fan of the band and an 80s superstar did BV's that never appeared on Hot Space, and Steve Howe, a genius guitarist and world clas musician, did some fantastic guitar work on Innuendo. So by my account, that's 4 people made up of 1 icon, 1 fantastic musician, 1 well respected singer songwriter and 1 grotesquesly underrated singer/songwrter/musician Queen worked with in Freddie's life. Since he died, Queen have worked with 5ive, Robbie Williams, McFly, Pink, Britney Spears and Beyonce. Many here would make a case for the above as artists, Beyonce and sometimes Pink aside, some wouldn't. Microwave's fave Mr. Manilow has more creative juice than virtually that latter list combined.
Finally, most people on earth know all four Beatles names. Most music fans would be able to identify Jagger and Richards as the main Stones, Page and Plant as the main Zep's, Daltrey and Townshend as the main Who guys, Eddie Van Halen and David Lee Roth for VH. I'd doubt that anyone but the hardcore music fan would know of Brian May (in North America, not ROTW.) In the 80s, Roger Taylor was one of the most famous drummers in the world. Sadly, not Queen's Roger Taylor, but his namesake from Duran Duran. I'd hazard 99.9% of the world wouldn't know John Deacon if they tripped over him. People know Freddie Mercury though, and to the average bloke, he was Queen. And with the whole gay/regal/larger than life thing that Queen was, not sure if there was ever a guy in music history who was more identified with his band's name than Freddie Mercury. Having said that, it's their right to call themselves Queen!!!! [/QUOTE]
Brian May is a world-famous guitarist and widely regarded as one of the best there is. Even my dad knows who he is and he dont give a crap about Queen or playing the guitar. Roger Taylor and John Deacon while not equally famous as are also world-famous celebrities and highly regarded in the music world. Incidentally I think 60-75 % of the worlds population wouldnt know of Freddie either if they tripped over him.
Daltrey has always been considered the least "necessary" member by music critics while both Keith Moon and John Entwistle were hugely talented and unique musicians who actually were considered unreplaceable during their lifetime.
On the contrary Queen is a good example of a band where all four members had as much impact on what went on. Remember all four of them has written a number one hit single, except John who wrote two.
Sorry for any harsh language, not my meaning to insult anyone or anything like that.
Take care!
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No, I think you misunderstand me. It is not my intention to say that anyones opinion is more worth than any others. But John was actually a member of Queen you know.. ;) just kidding[/QUOTE]
Alright, I'll play along with you... :P
John I can understand (although we haven't actually heard any words of support from him... It's just as likely he's staying quiet because he isn't going to go against them out of loyalty and/or money), but what exactly did you mean when you said "Even Freddie's mother does (support it)"
Does it mean that even pensioners support it? That everybody supports it? That all the people around Freddie support it? That everyone we know supports it?
I'm really curious, because surely her opinion wouldn't matter anymore than mine?
Alright, I'll play along with you... :P
John I can understand (although we haven't actually heard any words of support from him... It's just as likely he's staying quiet because he isn't going to go against them out of loyalty and/or money), but what exactly did you mean when you said "Even Freddie's mother does (support it)"
Does it mean that even pensioners support it? That everybody supports it? That all the people around Freddie support it? That everyone we know supports it?
I'm really curious, because surely her opinion wouldn't matter anymore than mine?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No Microwave, since you asked, The Beatles releasing Free as a Bird does not count. It was, what, 5, 8, 10 years after Lennon's death, and it was a studio effort a la Made In Heaven, where it featured four original members. [/QUOTE]
Ringo was not involved in this production. There were outside musicians used, very sparingly, but they were used.
I expect you to destroy that release as soon as possible. :)
Ringo was not involved in this production. There were outside musicians used, very sparingly, but they were used.
I expect you to destroy that release as soon as possible. :)
Please don't take this personally, or think that I have any negative feelings about you because of this...
But this is the kind of thing that really irritates me about all the pro-QPR people:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its become aparent to me how big part of the Queen sound Brian and Roger were, because it still actually sounds like Queen[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen is a good example of a band where all four members had as much impact on what went on.[/QUOTE]
It's always the same story:
Queen were four equal members whenever we're talking about why Brian and Roger can carry on without Freddie, but they suddenly turn into more than just equal members when we're talking about how the two of them can continue as the entire Queen!
There is an obvious conflict which can't be explained with any logic.
But this is the kind of thing that really irritates me about all the pro-QPR people:
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Its become aparent to me how big part of the Queen sound Brian and Roger were, because it still actually sounds like Queen[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Queen is a good example of a band where all four members had as much impact on what went on.[/QUOTE]
It's always the same story:
Queen were four equal members whenever we're talking about why Brian and Roger can carry on without Freddie, but they suddenly turn into more than just equal members when we're talking about how the two of them can continue as the entire Queen!
There is an obvious conflict which can't be explained with any logic.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Sheer Brass Neck wrote: [/QUOTENAME]No Microwave, since you asked, The Beatles releasing Free as a Bird does not count. It was, what, 5, 8, 10 years after Lennon's death, and it was a studio effort a la Made In Heaven, where it featured four original members. [/QUOTE]
Ringo was not involved in this production. There were outside musicians used, very sparingly, but they were used.
I expect you to destroy that release as soon as possible. :)[/QUOTE]
I hope you're joking. Ringo was involved, he played the drums. Quite obvious too, no-one plays 'em like Ringo.
Ringo was not involved in this production. There were outside musicians used, very sparingly, but they were used.
I expect you to destroy that release as soon as possible. :)[/QUOTE]
I hope you're joking. Ringo was involved, he played the drums. Quite obvious too, no-one plays 'em like Ringo.
Freddies mother runs his estate if Im not mistaken. Also I reckon she if one would know what he would have wanted. You know she kind of knew the guy as far as I know. ;P
Queen were a band with four equally important members. That doesnt mean that Brian and Roger cant produce the essence of musical sound. Compare with what it would have sounded like with only Roger and John for example.
Queen were a band with four equally important members. That doesnt mean that Brian and Roger cant produce the essence of musical sound. Compare with what it would have sounded like with only Roger and John for example.
Of course theyre not the entire Queen. But I dont think anyone belives that.