Being told that I don't have much of a life by some cunt who's clocked up 2496 posts on here? Ha. I have as much right to comment on these performances as anyone. I'm prepared to like them, but they don't do anything for me... like they won't do for most people, hence them not even being mentioned on adverts for the ITV program.
Where did I say Brian was crap? I didn't. I said the band don't gel and they don't. Roger is a crap drummer these days, which is no surprise considering he hasn't played properly for about 20 years and has concentrated on singing. He doesn't seem to have the stamina or strength anymore.
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I thought Roger was absolutely great, except for maybe a few missed beats. But now youve said that he IS a crap drummer I reckon I was wrong cause youre the one who KNOWS how things are and the others of us just have opinions. ;P (just kidding with you)
I thought both Roger and Brian looked great, especially compared to the last tour. Sure they look old but that is because they are. And Id rather have that than all that botox-crap.
I thought both Roger and Brian looked great, especially compared to the last tour. Sure they look old but that is because they are. And Id rather have that than all that botox-crap.
I dont think Roger is a crap drummer...yes, its very unlikely that we will ever see Now Im Here played live again, but id like to see some drummers sit behind a kit and sing and play as well as Roger does...and remember, he was ropey and looked like crap at the beginning of the 2005 tour (the long hair revival did him no favours!) but by the time Hyde Park came around he looked great. As for his attitude...so what, sometimes when I watch the Audio Commentary on the DVDs, its funny as fuck listening to Roger...did John get paid to dance in Montreal? A lot more entertaining than listening to Brian ramble on.
Roger and Brian's solo work, although mediocre to the record buying public, is a total Jem to Queen fans and it also allowed us to see them live again.
As for the QPR thing, people should just get over it, ive been a fan for over 20 years, I broke my heart when Freddie died and still to this day worship the puff..but I cant wait for the album and tour to arrive, as with the last tour. Brian totally does my tits in, with an ego the size of fookin Jupiter and I wish, as with every other fan that John was still around, but hey ho. Just face facts, Paul Rodgers is now the lead singer with Queen.......
And im not complaining.
Bed time I think.
Roger and Brian's solo work, although mediocre to the record buying public, is a total Jem to Queen fans and it also allowed us to see them live again.
As for the QPR thing, people should just get over it, ive been a fan for over 20 years, I broke my heart when Freddie died and still to this day worship the puff..but I cant wait for the album and tour to arrive, as with the last tour. Brian totally does my tits in, with an ego the size of fookin Jupiter and I wish, as with every other fan that John was still around, but hey ho. Just face facts, Paul Rodgers is now the lead singer with Queen.......
And im not complaining.
Bed time I think.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME]I thought Roger was absolutely great, except for maybe a few missed beats.[/QUOTE]
Priceless, just priceless.
Yes Roger, we know Freddie is dead. That's the fucking point. They should use that quote to close the "Champions Of The World" documentary, or to promote the Tribute concert. Very tasteful stuff....
We'll all know how many will buy or not buy this incarnation's new music soon enough
Priceless, just priceless.
Yes Roger, we know Freddie is dead. That's the fucking point. They should use that quote to close the "Champions Of The World" documentary, or to promote the Tribute concert. Very tasteful stuff....
We'll all know how many will buy or not buy this incarnation's new music soon enough
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Being told that I don't have much of a life by some cunt who's clocked up 2496 posts on here? [/QUOTE]
You do note the irony that, although I have a higher post-count, you have been a far more prolific poster here than I am; I've just been around longer. In more than one way, it seems...
[QUOTE]Ha. I have as much right to comment on these performances as anyone.[/QUOTE]
Sure you do. And I have the right to flame-grill you with tandoori masala sauce when your contribution is similar to Ford's views on history.
[QUOTE] I'm prepared to like them, but they don't do anything for me...[/QUOTE]
Is it me, or are you contradicting yourself there?
[QUOTE]like they won't do for most people,[/QUOTE]
I recommend you speak for yourself there, because, judging from DVD, CD and ticket sales, they may not be as big as the old Queen, but they sure as hell seem to be "doing something" for quite a few folks!
[QUOTE]hence them not even being mentioned on adverts for the ITV program.[/QUOTE]
If I had seen any ITV, I bet I could sum up a number of really big things they never mention in their program adverts; really, this is a bogus argument, proving nothing except that ITV doesn't care about them.
[QUOTE]Where did I say Brian was crap? I didn't. I said the band don't gel and they don't.[/QUOTE]
So long as you recognize that this is merely your opinion, fine.
[QUOTE]Roger is a crap drummer these days, which is no surprise considering he hasn't played properly for about 20 years and has concentrated on singing. He doesn't seem to have the stamina or strength anymore.[/QUOTE]
Overblown statement. He's not 20 anymore, but he sure as hell isn't in line to join the old pensioners.
You do note the irony that, although I have a higher post-count, you have been a far more prolific poster here than I am; I've just been around longer. In more than one way, it seems...
[QUOTE]Ha. I have as much right to comment on these performances as anyone.[/QUOTE]
Sure you do. And I have the right to flame-grill you with tandoori masala sauce when your contribution is similar to Ford's views on history.
[QUOTE] I'm prepared to like them, but they don't do anything for me...[/QUOTE]
Is it me, or are you contradicting yourself there?
[QUOTE]like they won't do for most people,[/QUOTE]
I recommend you speak for yourself there, because, judging from DVD, CD and ticket sales, they may not be as big as the old Queen, but they sure as hell seem to be "doing something" for quite a few folks!
[QUOTE]hence them not even being mentioned on adverts for the ITV program.[/QUOTE]
If I had seen any ITV, I bet I could sum up a number of really big things they never mention in their program adverts; really, this is a bogus argument, proving nothing except that ITV doesn't care about them.
[QUOTE]Where did I say Brian was crap? I didn't. I said the band don't gel and they don't.[/QUOTE]
So long as you recognize that this is merely your opinion, fine.
[QUOTE]Roger is a crap drummer these days, which is no surprise considering he hasn't played properly for about 20 years and has concentrated on singing. He doesn't seem to have the stamina or strength anymore.[/QUOTE]
Overblown statement. He's not 20 anymore, but he sure as hell isn't in line to join the old pensioners.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Negative Creep wrote: [/QUOTENAME]Being told that I don't have much of a life by some cunt who's clocked up 2496 posts on here? Ha. I have as much right to comment on these performances as anyone. I'm prepared to like them, but they don't do anything for me... like they won't do for most people, hence them not even being mentioned on adverts for the ITV program.
Where did I say Brian was crap? I didn't. I said the band don't gel and they don't. Roger is a crap drummer these days, which is no surprise considering he hasn't played properly for about 20 years and has concentrated on singing. He doesn't seem to have the stamina or strength anymore.[/QUOTE]
If Queen don't 'do anything for people anymore' why are they still selling out stadiums?
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion (let me just say that first because so many people don't seem capable of reading a post without putting words into the authors mouth that were not there) However your statements do sometimes make me wonder what planet you are on
Roger's is far from a crap drummer, fast does not equal good... The fact that he used to play songs faster does not mean he was fitter, better or stronger, simply put drumming is much more than hitting things as fast as you can...
The fact is when they used to play in the 70's one could argue that he was playing too much for show than for the song. These days they play the songs at the speed they were recorded. This is almost certainly a band decision, not based on whether Roger can manage it, if you know anything about drumming you will know it is harder to play slowly but in time than fast.
Roger's style is unique and whilst he has never ranked in the top 5 in terms of technique he has always and still is right up there in terms of solid Rock drumming in the style of John Bonham.
Moon was a crap drummer in terms of timing, yet everyone raved about him just because he was fast and overblown... Don't get me wrong I loved him, but if you wanted someone to keep time you might as well has had ROger Daltery hitting a dustbin, it would have been more in time than Moon.
Roger Taylor still plays in a style that is very difficult to emulate, he plays the drums as a true instrument and not simply to keep time, when I here people say he can't keep time I go back and listen again to what they are talking about and hardly ever do you hear him miss a beat or waver from the time.
Generally people miss hear things or simply make it up to make a fuss in a chat room.
Every performer screws up now and then, it's human nature, we are not perfect, however I would love to see any of the nay sayers here stand up and try to come close to the performance of Queen on their worst day...
Where did I say Brian was crap? I didn't. I said the band don't gel and they don't. Roger is a crap drummer these days, which is no surprise considering he hasn't played properly for about 20 years and has concentrated on singing. He doesn't seem to have the stamina or strength anymore.[/QUOTE]
If Queen don't 'do anything for people anymore' why are they still selling out stadiums?
You are perfectly entitled to your opinion (let me just say that first because so many people don't seem capable of reading a post without putting words into the authors mouth that were not there) However your statements do sometimes make me wonder what planet you are on
Roger's is far from a crap drummer, fast does not equal good... The fact that he used to play songs faster does not mean he was fitter, better or stronger, simply put drumming is much more than hitting things as fast as you can...
The fact is when they used to play in the 70's one could argue that he was playing too much for show than for the song. These days they play the songs at the speed they were recorded. This is almost certainly a band decision, not based on whether Roger can manage it, if you know anything about drumming you will know it is harder to play slowly but in time than fast.
Roger's style is unique and whilst he has never ranked in the top 5 in terms of technique he has always and still is right up there in terms of solid Rock drumming in the style of John Bonham.
Moon was a crap drummer in terms of timing, yet everyone raved about him just because he was fast and overblown... Don't get me wrong I loved him, but if you wanted someone to keep time you might as well has had ROger Daltery hitting a dustbin, it would have been more in time than Moon.
Roger Taylor still plays in a style that is very difficult to emulate, he plays the drums as a true instrument and not simply to keep time, when I here people say he can't keep time I go back and listen again to what they are talking about and hardly ever do you hear him miss a beat or waver from the time.
Generally people miss hear things or simply make it up to make a fuss in a chat room.
Every performer screws up now and then, it's human nature, we are not perfect, however I would love to see any of the nay sayers here stand up and try to come close to the performance of Queen on their worst day...
"Every performer screws up now and then, it's human nature, we are not perfect, however I would love to see any of the nay sayers here stand up and try to come close to the performance of Queen on their worst day..."
That's true Togg, but the problem with people here who believe Queen can do no wrong is that they're not objective. In all honesty, that was a fair performance the other night. For people who never saw the 70s Queen, they'd think it was awesome. Having seen 70s Queen, I they were workmanlike the other night. A big voice does not make a performer though, and though some missteps were made by all three, they aren't on tour and to expect perfection when they're not road tested is ridiculous. As Brian's always said, it takes a while to get their "road legs" beneath them. So whatever mistakes they made should be excused as they're not really ready for a stadium show with little rehearsal.
That's true Togg, but the problem with people here who believe Queen can do no wrong is that they're not objective. In all honesty, that was a fair performance the other night. For people who never saw the 70s Queen, they'd think it was awesome. Having seen 70s Queen, I they were workmanlike the other night. A big voice does not make a performer though, and though some missteps were made by all three, they aren't on tour and to expect perfection when they're not road tested is ridiculous. As Brian's always said, it takes a while to get their "road legs" beneath them. So whatever mistakes they made should be excused as they're not really ready for a stadium show with little rehearsal.
I totally agree, It has to be said that I witnessed and fair number of gaffs by Freddie in his time, from forgetting lyrics to missing cues to mis-playing Bo rap etc etc
I felt it had some really good atmosphere and they were obviously keen to be out there, all the talk of mistakes and fluffed lines ends to be put in perspective, Fred did a fair number most times he went out on stage
I felt it had some really good atmosphere and they were obviously keen to be out there, all the talk of mistakes and fluffed lines ends to be put in perspective, Fred did a fair number most times he went out on stage
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Togg wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Roger's is far from a crap drummer, fast does not equal good... The fact that he used to play songs faster does not mean he was fitter, better or stronger, simply put drumming is much more than hitting things as fast as you can...
The fact is when they used to play in the 70's one could argue that he was playing too much for show than for the song. These days they play the songs at the speed they were recorded. This is almost certainly a band decision, not based on whether Roger can manage it, if you know anything about drumming you will know it is harder to play slowly but in time than fast.
Roger's style is unique and whilst he has never ranked in the top 5 in terms of technique he has always and still is right up there in terms of solid Rock drumming in the style of John Bonham.
Moon was a crap drummer in terms of timing, yet everyone raved about him just because he was fast and overblown... Don't get me wrong I loved him, but if you wanted someone to keep time you might as well has had ROger Daltery hitting a dustbin, it would have been more in time than Moon.
Roger Taylor still plays in a style that is very difficult to emulate, he plays the drums as a true instrument and not simply to keep time, when I here people say he can't keep time I go back and listen again to what they are talking about and hardly ever do you hear him miss a beat or waver from the time.
Generally people miss hear things or simply make it up to make a fuss in a chat room.
Every performer screws up now and then, it's human nature, we are not perfect, however I would love to see any of the nay sayers here stand up and try to come close to the performance of Queen on their worst day...
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I agree completely with this. Ive always felt that Roger is somewhat underrated as a drummer. While not the absolute best he could still be MENTIONED together with Bonham, Mitchell and Baker for example.
I do think that he could play in the same style but that he chooses not to because he prefers to keep it simple most of the time.
Lots of bands slow their songs down with age, I dont think its all about the fact that they are older but also that with experience they find that its possible to develope the sound more by focusing on groove instead of speed.
Roger's is far from a crap drummer, fast does not equal good... The fact that he used to play songs faster does not mean he was fitter, better or stronger, simply put drumming is much more than hitting things as fast as you can...
The fact is when they used to play in the 70's one could argue that he was playing too much for show than for the song. These days they play the songs at the speed they were recorded. This is almost certainly a band decision, not based on whether Roger can manage it, if you know anything about drumming you will know it is harder to play slowly but in time than fast.
Roger's style is unique and whilst he has never ranked in the top 5 in terms of technique he has always and still is right up there in terms of solid Rock drumming in the style of John Bonham.
Moon was a crap drummer in terms of timing, yet everyone raved about him just because he was fast and overblown... Don't get me wrong I loved him, but if you wanted someone to keep time you might as well has had ROger Daltery hitting a dustbin, it would have been more in time than Moon.
Roger Taylor still plays in a style that is very difficult to emulate, he plays the drums as a true instrument and not simply to keep time, when I here people say he can't keep time I go back and listen again to what they are talking about and hardly ever do you hear him miss a beat or waver from the time.
Generally people miss hear things or simply make it up to make a fuss in a chat room.
Every performer screws up now and then, it's human nature, we are not perfect, however I would love to see any of the nay sayers here stand up and try to come close to the performance of Queen on their worst day...
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I agree completely with this. Ive always felt that Roger is somewhat underrated as a drummer. While not the absolute best he could still be MENTIONED together with Bonham, Mitchell and Baker for example.
I do think that he could play in the same style but that he chooses not to because he prefers to keep it simple most of the time.
Lots of bands slow their songs down with age, I dont think its all about the fact that they are older but also that with experience they find that its possible to develope the sound more by focusing on groove instead of speed.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]While not the absolute best he could still be MENTIONED together with Bonham, Mitchell and Baker for example.
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Funnily enough though, the only place I've seen that happen is on Queenzone. I think he is a respected drummer but there's tendency to say that all Queen band members are at the top of their game and highly influential etc. I haven't seen too many rock stars list Taylor* or Deacon as influences (*Foo Fighters excepted)
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Funnily enough though, the only place I've seen that happen is on Queenzone. I think he is a respected drummer but there's tendency to say that all Queen band members are at the top of their game and highly influential etc. I haven't seen too many rock stars list Taylor* or Deacon as influences (*Foo Fighters excepted)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Holly2003 wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]kingogre wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE]While not the absolute best he could still be MENTIONED together with Bonham, Mitchell and Baker for example.
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Funnily enough though, the only place I've seen that happen is on Queenzone. I think he is a respected drummer but there's tendency to say that all Queen band members are at the top of their game and highly influential etc. I haven't seen too many rock stars list Taylor* or Deacon as influences (*Foo Fighters excepted)[/QUOTE]
Citing ones influences is always a 'politicized' and rather random affair; all music you have ever heard before in your life influences you to some extent, as do most non-musical affairs. Even distinguishing between major and minor influence on your own playing is nigh on impossible, and other people's views on the matter are never more than rationalizations.
The point is, there are few musicians who do not know Queen, and thus Roger Taylor's playing, and thus there will be significant numbers among them who have been influenced to some extent.
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Funnily enough though, the only place I've seen that happen is on Queenzone. I think he is a respected drummer but there's tendency to say that all Queen band members are at the top of their game and highly influential etc. I haven't seen too many rock stars list Taylor* or Deacon as influences (*Foo Fighters excepted)[/QUOTE]
Citing ones influences is always a 'politicized' and rather random affair; all music you have ever heard before in your life influences you to some extent, as do most non-musical affairs. Even distinguishing between major and minor influence on your own playing is nigh on impossible, and other people's views on the matter are never more than rationalizations.
The point is, there are few musicians who do not know Queen, and thus Roger Taylor's playing, and thus there will be significant numbers among them who have been influenced to some extent.
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Not being mentioned very often is what I would call underrated.. ;P
No, Roger is not one the best rock drummers of all time (and even less one of the best drummers ever in general as few rock drummers are). My suggestion was rather that he belongs to the second league after those and that he in terms of style and influences can certainly be compared to those I mentioned. That said I feel he is one of the classic rock drummers if you could put it that way and has a far greater ability and more achievements than people often say.
All of Queens members were extraordinarily talented musicians, it is in many ways a supergroup. I dont think its at all controversial to say that.
No, Roger is not one the best rock drummers of all time (and even less one of the best drummers ever in general as few rock drummers are). My suggestion was rather that he belongs to the second league after those and that he in terms of style and influences can certainly be compared to those I mentioned. That said I feel he is one of the classic rock drummers if you could put it that way and has a far greater ability and more achievements than people often say.
All of Queens members were extraordinarily talented musicians, it is in many ways a supergroup. I dont think its at all controversial to say that.
The influence of Queen on other artists is a very interesting topic and could really be developed a lot.
Personally Ive gotten the feeling that a lot of Queens influence has more to do with the stage act than the music. They were pioneers of stadium rock and how to bring rock into an arena. While most bands just plugged in and then played as usual Queen made a big show out of it and made music that was especially written and arranged to fit a stadium crowd.
They were also among the first to really incorporate light, smoke and other effects as a natural part aswell as using especially designed stages. For example the stage Metallica used at least a couple of years ago was the clearly influenced by Queens from the late 70s and early 80s.
I also feel they have influenced many with their kind of business-like approach to their music and their career. They were almost always very concious about presenting a product that would be successful and market it in a way that would notice.
That said though Brian May is definitely a very influential guitarist. Freddie was absolutely unique but in terms of stage performance he has definitely been influential.
Personally Ive gotten the feeling that a lot of Queens influence has more to do with the stage act than the music. They were pioneers of stadium rock and how to bring rock into an arena. While most bands just plugged in and then played as usual Queen made a big show out of it and made music that was especially written and arranged to fit a stadium crowd.
They were also among the first to really incorporate light, smoke and other effects as a natural part aswell as using especially designed stages. For example the stage Metallica used at least a couple of years ago was the clearly influenced by Queens from the late 70s and early 80s.
I also feel they have influenced many with their kind of business-like approach to their music and their career. They were almost always very concious about presenting a product that would be successful and market it in a way that would notice.
That said though Brian May is definitely a very influential guitarist. Freddie was absolutely unique but in terms of stage performance he has definitely been influential.
Hi all. My opinion:
Roger and Brian "use" the name Queen for their tours at this moment. That is clear. The fact that they can get along well with Paul, is nice for them, but their sound is far away from Queen, with all respect for the whole band. If they gave themselves a new name (and in my opinion they should do that), then they will play for half-full stadiums. Roger, Brian and John were standing in the shadow of Freddie, HE was the one that made Queen so big, and nobody else. Not a single song sung by Roger or Brian hit the charts (except after Fred died).
Have you seen Roger singing in front on the stage? He doenst know where to put his hands during singing, he has NO showman's attitude. Keep him playing his drums (and let him sing the love with my car-song), that is what he always did, and what he does best. He is a fine drummer, but to be honest; he was just a lucky guy...
Roger and Brian "use" the name Queen for their tours at this moment. That is clear. The fact that they can get along well with Paul, is nice for them, but their sound is far away from Queen, with all respect for the whole band. If they gave themselves a new name (and in my opinion they should do that), then they will play for half-full stadiums. Roger, Brian and John were standing in the shadow of Freddie, HE was the one that made Queen so big, and nobody else. Not a single song sung by Roger or Brian hit the charts (except after Fred died).
Have you seen Roger singing in front on the stage? He doenst know where to put his hands during singing, he has NO showman's attitude. Keep him playing his drums (and let him sing the love with my car-song), that is what he always did, and what he does best. He is a fine drummer, but to be honest; he was just a lucky guy...