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Cheers,
Hor
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Hor
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ms. Rebel wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Steven wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ms. Rebel wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm moving to another planet.[/QUOTE]
May I come along too?[/QUOTE]
Only if your mama allows you to go.[/QUOTE]
I don't need my mother's permission. I'm a rebel, just like you. ;)
I'm moving to another planet.[/QUOTE]
May I come along too?[/QUOTE]
Only if your mama allows you to go.[/QUOTE]
I don't need my mother's permission. I'm a rebel, just like you. ;)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Steven wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ms. Rebel wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Steven wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ms. Rebel wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm moving to another planet.[/QUOTE]
May I come along too?[/QUOTE]
Only if your mama allows you to go.[/QUOTE]
I don't need my mother's permission. I'm a rebel, just like you. ;)[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's lovely.
I'm moving to another planet.[/QUOTE]
May I come along too?[/QUOTE]
Only if your mama allows you to go.[/QUOTE]
I don't need my mother's permission. I'm a rebel, just like you. ;)[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's lovely.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ms. Rebel wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Steven wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ms. Rebel wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Steven wrote: [/QUOTENAME][QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Ms. Rebel wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
I'm moving to another planet.[/QUOTE]
May I come along too?[/QUOTE]
Only if your mama allows you to go.[/QUOTE]
I don't need my mother's permission. I'm a rebel, just like you. ;)[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's lovely.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. :)
I'm moving to another planet.[/QUOTE]
May I come along too?[/QUOTE]
Only if your mama allows you to go.[/QUOTE]
I don't need my mother's permission. I'm a rebel, just like you. ;)[/QUOTE]
Oh, that's lovely.[/QUOTE]
Thank you. :)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]magicalfreddiemercury wrote: This is really THAT bad. [/QUOTENAME]
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Well, I don't think so, compared to the big picture of attrocity occuring daily. While you carefully answered those questions, you did not sell me.
Karate at 4 did not teach her life lessons, you did. All that she got was to "kick and scream" if grabbed, other than that a defensive stance did not teach her a thing. And judging from your background, I'm sure she knew this already, yes? My point was that what you think is a perfectly normal activity for your child may look completely different to another's eyes. My arguments, however ridiculous they may be, are valid points.
Living in Texas, I've seen small children that age roping cattle. Hooves flying in the air everywhere. Are these bad parents for teaching their children their lifestyle because you think it is unsafe for a child to be kicked by a horse or cow?
What's next? Pop Warner football should be banned and the parents jailed for allowing their children to arm tackle another child?
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Well, I don't think so, compared to the big picture of attrocity occuring daily. While you carefully answered those questions, you did not sell me.
Karate at 4 did not teach her life lessons, you did. All that she got was to "kick and scream" if grabbed, other than that a defensive stance did not teach her a thing. And judging from your background, I'm sure she knew this already, yes? My point was that what you think is a perfectly normal activity for your child may look completely different to another's eyes. My arguments, however ridiculous they may be, are valid points.
Living in Texas, I've seen small children that age roping cattle. Hooves flying in the air everywhere. Are these bad parents for teaching their children their lifestyle because you think it is unsafe for a child to be kicked by a horse or cow?
What's next? Pop Warner football should be banned and the parents jailed for allowing their children to arm tackle another child?
There is huge difference in teaching kids self-defense or letting them fight for money - unprotected and against their wishes.
Yes, there are child soldiers, abused children, there is child labour and all kinds of atrocities in this world. That is just not the topic of this thread. You can dismiss ALL cases of abuse by pointing out there are worse cases elsewhere in the world. That's just just killing the topic.
It's sad when parents feel they have to teach their little kids self-defense, I hear that from people in big cities here, too. They teach the kids to fight back because of widespread bullying and physical violence in schools. There are also courses in kindergarten and preschool teaching children how to talk back to adults who touch them or chat them up. These courses are designed to help children to protect themselves against any kind of abuse by adults.
The parents in the documentary, however, do not have the safety of their children in mind. They risk the health and life of their children to live out their sick pleasure of seeing them fight. I really don't think that can be legal.
Yes, there are child soldiers, abused children, there is child labour and all kinds of atrocities in this world. That is just not the topic of this thread. You can dismiss ALL cases of abuse by pointing out there are worse cases elsewhere in the world. That's just just killing the topic.
It's sad when parents feel they have to teach their little kids self-defense, I hear that from people in big cities here, too. They teach the kids to fight back because of widespread bullying and physical violence in schools. There are also courses in kindergarten and preschool teaching children how to talk back to adults who touch them or chat them up. These courses are designed to help children to protect themselves against any kind of abuse by adults.
The parents in the documentary, however, do not have the safety of their children in mind. They risk the health and life of their children to live out their sick pleasure of seeing them fight. I really don't think that can be legal.
Perhaps someone who has a way with words could set up a petition on http://www.thepetitionsite.com/ with a view to having this 'sport' banned.
I'm not saying it'll make any difference but it would give people a chance to register their disgust.
I'm not saying it'll make any difference but it would give people a chance to register their disgust.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Well, I don't think so, compared to the big picture of attrocity occuring daily. While you carefully answered those questions, you did not sell me.
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This sport vs. what we see in other countries - like what you mentioned in your first post - are so different I do not think they can be compared. The big picture of atrocities occurring daily that you refer to is terrifying and I wish we could change it all. So, yes, I absolutely agree with you that in the world-scheme of things, this is not as bad as that... but... this vs. Karate, which is how it seemed you compared it originally, makes this very bad in my opinion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Karate at 4 did not teach her life lessons, you did. All that she got was to "kick and scream" if grabbed, other than that a defensive stance did not teach her a thing. And judging from your background, I'm sure she knew this already, yes?
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I disagree with the premise that Karate does not/did not teach life lessons. It's more than kick and scream. Not that I'd want someone else's child to be abducted, but a certain posture will, in effect, deflect the attention of a would-be abductor onto someone without that subliminal 'air' of confidence. I don't know if I'm saying it clearly, but I hope that makes some sense because it's true. As for my background, the postures were more cowering than defensive. That's why the image of that little girl crying is so upsetting to me. She wasn't being taught to protect herself, she was being shouted at from the sidelines, ordered to hit and be hit for the entertainment of others, and she was clearly frightened. It's a disgusting and disturbing image.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
My point was that what you think is a perfectly normal activity for your child may look completely different to another's eyes.
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And I agree with that point.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
My arguments, however ridiculous they may be, are valid points.
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It's not that your arguments are ridiculous or invalid - they're just different than mine and thus wrong. (kidding)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Living in Texas, I've seen small children that age roping cattle. Hooves flying in the air everywhere. Are these bad parents for teaching their children their lifestyle because you think it is unsafe for a child to be kicked by a horse or cow?
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The difference between children roping cattle or taking Karate classes vs. this head-gear-less activity is the gear itself. Are the children who are roping cattle not protected in any way? If not, then yes, I think it's wrong - not that the parents are teaching the children their lifestyle - but that they're not doing everything to ensure their children's relative safety while teaching it. If this sport had proper protective gear and a positive effect on the children - like what I saw for my daughter way back when she started Karate lessons - I doubt I would have posted a comment here.
Parents of children in Karate classes pay small fortunes to watch their children fight/compete in tournaments. Is it any different than this sport? Yes - because of the reason for the lessons and the protective gear that must be worn while participating.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
What's next? Pop Warner football should be banned and the parents jailed for allowing their children to arm tackle another child?
[/QUOTE]
Depends... what type of protective gear is involved?
Well, I don't think so, compared to the big picture of attrocity occuring daily. While you carefully answered those questions, you did not sell me.
[/QUOTE]
This sport vs. what we see in other countries - like what you mentioned in your first post - are so different I do not think they can be compared. The big picture of atrocities occurring daily that you refer to is terrifying and I wish we could change it all. So, yes, I absolutely agree with you that in the world-scheme of things, this is not as bad as that... but... this vs. Karate, which is how it seemed you compared it originally, makes this very bad in my opinion.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Karate at 4 did not teach her life lessons, you did. All that she got was to "kick and scream" if grabbed, other than that a defensive stance did not teach her a thing. And judging from your background, I'm sure she knew this already, yes?
[/QUOTE]
I disagree with the premise that Karate does not/did not teach life lessons. It's more than kick and scream. Not that I'd want someone else's child to be abducted, but a certain posture will, in effect, deflect the attention of a would-be abductor onto someone without that subliminal 'air' of confidence. I don't know if I'm saying it clearly, but I hope that makes some sense because it's true. As for my background, the postures were more cowering than defensive. That's why the image of that little girl crying is so upsetting to me. She wasn't being taught to protect herself, she was being shouted at from the sidelines, ordered to hit and be hit for the entertainment of others, and she was clearly frightened. It's a disgusting and disturbing image.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
My point was that what you think is a perfectly normal activity for your child may look completely different to another's eyes.
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And I agree with that point.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
My arguments, however ridiculous they may be, are valid points.
[/QUOTE]
It's not that your arguments are ridiculous or invalid - they're just different than mine and thus wrong. (kidding)
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Living in Texas, I've seen small children that age roping cattle. Hooves flying in the air everywhere. Are these bad parents for teaching their children their lifestyle because you think it is unsafe for a child to be kicked by a horse or cow?
[/QUOTE]
The difference between children roping cattle or taking Karate classes vs. this head-gear-less activity is the gear itself. Are the children who are roping cattle not protected in any way? If not, then yes, I think it's wrong - not that the parents are teaching the children their lifestyle - but that they're not doing everything to ensure their children's relative safety while teaching it. If this sport had proper protective gear and a positive effect on the children - like what I saw for my daughter way back when she started Karate lessons - I doubt I would have posted a comment here.
Parents of children in Karate classes pay small fortunes to watch their children fight/compete in tournaments. Is it any different than this sport? Yes - because of the reason for the lessons and the protective gear that must be worn while participating.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Micrówave wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
What's next? Pop Warner football should be banned and the parents jailed for allowing their children to arm tackle another child?
[/QUOTE]
Depends... what type of protective gear is involved?
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]YourValentine wrote: [/QUOTENAME]There is huge difference in teaching kids self-defense or letting them fight for money - unprotected and against their wishes.
Yes, there are child soldiers, abused children, there is child labour and all kinds of atrocities in this world. That is just not the topic of this thread. You can dismiss ALL cases of abuse by pointing out there are worse cases elsewhere in the world. That's just just killing the topic.
It's sad when parents feel they have to teach their little kids self-defense, I hear that from people in big cities here, too. They teach the kids to fight back because of widespread bullying and physical violence in schools. There are also courses in kindergarten and preschool teaching children how to talk back to adults who touch them or chat them up. These courses are designed to help children to protect themselves against any kind of abuse by adults.
The parents in the documentary, however, do not have the safety of their children in mind. They risk the health and life of their children to live out their sick pleasure of seeing them fight. I really don't think that can be legal.
[/QUOTE]
Wow. You said it so perfectly, and I went on and on...
Yes, there are child soldiers, abused children, there is child labour and all kinds of atrocities in this world. That is just not the topic of this thread. You can dismiss ALL cases of abuse by pointing out there are worse cases elsewhere in the world. That's just just killing the topic.
It's sad when parents feel they have to teach their little kids self-defense, I hear that from people in big cities here, too. They teach the kids to fight back because of widespread bullying and physical violence in schools. There are also courses in kindergarten and preschool teaching children how to talk back to adults who touch them or chat them up. These courses are designed to help children to protect themselves against any kind of abuse by adults.
The parents in the documentary, however, do not have the safety of their children in mind. They risk the health and life of their children to live out their sick pleasure of seeing them fight. I really don't think that can be legal.
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Wow. You said it so perfectly, and I went on and on...
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]andreas_mercury wrote: [/QUOTENAME]lol
always put your money on the fat kid, i put fifty euros down on a fat kid once and i was not to be! disappointed. made a profit[/QUOTE]
You're a sicko.
always put your money on the fat kid, i put fifty euros down on a fat kid once and i was not to be! disappointed. made a profit[/QUOTE]
You're a sicko.
This could simply be a typical self-defense course, through the eyes of...a journalist. Now, journalism is very important and necessary, but one must take it all with a grain of salt: there's really no such thing as "journalistic integrity."
Then again, it's bad enough that parents force their children to learn instruments and sports at such a young age, when they clearly are uninterested. This is simply a similar situation, although it is compounded by what they are learning implies. I am convinced of the virtues of self-defense (that name is misleading, as one learns far more than that). However, when a 5 year old is heavily involved in a sport, instrument, etc...you can be certain that it is to satisfy the will and needs of the parents, and not the child.
I'm convinced this whole deal is definitely not as "disgusting" as it sounds - you can even tell that if you read between the lines. However, it's definitely not a good thing either.
Then again, it's bad enough that parents force their children to learn instruments and sports at such a young age, when they clearly are uninterested. This is simply a similar situation, although it is compounded by what they are learning implies. I am convinced of the virtues of self-defense (that name is misleading, as one learns far more than that). However, when a 5 year old is heavily involved in a sport, instrument, etc...you can be certain that it is to satisfy the will and needs of the parents, and not the child.
I'm convinced this whole deal is definitely not as "disgusting" as it sounds - you can even tell that if you read between the lines. However, it's definitely not a good thing either.
[QUOTE][QUOTENAME]Music Man wrote: [/QUOTENAME]
Then again, it's bad enough that parents force their children to learn instruments and sports at such a young age, when they clearly are uninterested. This is simply a similar situation, although it is compounded by what they are learning implies. I am convinced of the virtues of self-defense (that name is misleading, as one learns far more than that). However, when a 5 year old is heavily involved in a sport, instrument, etc...you can be certain that it is to satisfy the will and needs of the parents, and not the child.
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I never took any kind of lesson because my parents forced me to. I started taking karate lessons at the age of 6 after asking my parents a couple of times to let me take it. When I was around 14, I got bored of it, and my parents let me quit, without any kind of harassement. There isn't a big gap between a 5-year-old and a 6-year-old, is there?
The same happened with every other lesson I've ever taken in my life. Although my parents wanted me to take some of them, they never forced me to take any. They've only subscribed me to have lessons that I had asked for.
Then again, it's bad enough that parents force their children to learn instruments and sports at such a young age, when they clearly are uninterested. This is simply a similar situation, although it is compounded by what they are learning implies. I am convinced of the virtues of self-defense (that name is misleading, as one learns far more than that). However, when a 5 year old is heavily involved in a sport, instrument, etc...you can be certain that it is to satisfy the will and needs of the parents, and not the child.
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I never took any kind of lesson because my parents forced me to. I started taking karate lessons at the age of 6 after asking my parents a couple of times to let me take it. When I was around 14, I got bored of it, and my parents let me quit, without any kind of harassement. There isn't a big gap between a 5-year-old and a 6-year-old, is there?
The same happened with every other lesson I've ever taken in my life. Although my parents wanted me to take some of them, they never forced me to take any. They've only subscribed me to have lessons that I had asked for.
Isn't that exactly as it should be?
I would compare crying before a bout to groveling before a piano lesson. Now, I am aware they are very different, but the concept is the same. Parents should be more like Raf's: supportive of their children's desires...not their own.
I would compare crying before a bout to groveling before a piano lesson. Now, I am aware they are very different, but the concept is the same. Parents should be more like Raf's: supportive of their children's desires...not their own.
My father's never encouraged me to do anything. Everything I can do, I learnt it by myself.
I'm gonna make my son fight for food, when he's a little child. He'll learn the ways of the world
(????)
Cheers,
Hor
I'm gonna make my son fight for food, when he's a little child. He'll learn the ways of the world
(????)
Cheers,
Hor