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Fair enough, it wasnt so good.
I met freddie in a backstage bar once, he ate the fish..i had the beef.
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[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]
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[b]rhyeking wrote: [/b]
Elvis was, as Neil Peart once described, a divine windchime. He did not create the music or write the songs, but in performing it, he made it something greater than most other performers could. He existed at a time when many artists performed songs written and arranged by other people (professionals songwiters were the norm, were widely used and their songs performed by many different artists). There was a massive increase in the popularity of "black" music at the time, by way of jazz, gospel and blues. Black artists were making hits and mainstream record companies gladly had white artist record those song in an attempt to capitalize. But it wasn't that clear cut. White teens in the fifties often preferred the originals. Elvis grew up in the South and was impued with a love of blues and gospel. He didn't rip off black artists, he simply sang the songs he loved, better than most people, and did what everyone was doing (singing the same songs). As a performer, he was the first great natural showman, and every frontman since (Freddie, Bono, whomever) can thank him for setting the standard. In the fifties, it was par for the course to stand politely at the microphone (or sit on the stool) and sing. Elvis shook his hips and danced around and *that* was shocking and new. His record companies and management made Elvis Presley a commodity and a household name, but he could back up the hype with his ability to sing and peform.
I'm not even a big Elvis fan, but he is the King of Rock & Roll for a reason, the same way Michael Jackson is the King of Pop for a reason: timing, talent and good publicity.
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I'm not a big elvis guy either, and I also don't think his version of those songs are any better than the originals, (musically) but to say he was overated is not true. The man was truly a great singer, and like freddie could sing a wide range of music. country, gospel, rock, that's what makes a singer great. He's obviously the best performer in rock history. What does piss me off a little is that the beatles, and elvis, the stones got rich playing black music (the true genious) but these genious musicians died piss poor. I'v been listening too the blues lately, guys like howlin wolf, muddy waters. Those cats were truly brilliant for their time. Dare I say it, even more brilliant than the beatles.
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Elvis is the King of Rock and Roll and always will be...what he and Freddie shared in common is that when and wherever they performed they both put their heart and soul in each song.
[b]mike hunt wrote: [/b]
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[b]rhyeking wrote: [/b]
Elvis was, as Neil Peart once described, a divine windchime. He did not create the music or write the songs, but in performing it, he made it something greater than most other performers could. He existed at a time when many artists performed songs written and arranged by other people (professionals songwiters were the norm, were widely used and their songs performed by many different artists). There was a massive increase in the popularity of "black" music at the time, by way of jazz, gospel and blues. Black artists were making hits and mainstream record companies gladly had white artist record those song in an attempt to capitalize. But it wasn't that clear cut. White teens in the fifties often preferred the originals. Elvis grew up in the South and was impued with a love of blues and gospel. He didn't rip off black artists, he simply sang the songs he loved, better than most people, and did what everyone was doing (singing the same songs). As a performer, he was the first great natural showman, and every frontman since (Freddie, Bono, whomever) can thank him for setting the standard. In the fifties, it was par for the course to stand politely at the microphone (or sit on the stool) and sing. Elvis shook his hips and danced around and *that* was shocking and new. His record companies and management made Elvis Presley a commodity and a household name, but he could back up the hype with his ability to sing and peform.
I'm not even a big Elvis fan, but he is the King of Rock & Roll for a reason, the same way Michael Jackson is the King of Pop for a reason: timing, talent and good publicity.
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I'm not a big elvis guy either, and I also don't think his version of those songs are any better than the originals, (musically) but to say he was overated is not true. The man was truly a great singer, and like freddie could sing a wide range of music. country, gospel, rock, that's what makes a singer great. He's obviously the best performer in rock history. What does piss me off a little is that the beatles, and elvis, the stones got rich playing black music (the true genious) but these genious musicians died piss poor. I'v been listening too the blues lately, guys like howlin wolf, muddy waters. Those cats were truly brilliant for their time. Dare I say it, even more brilliant than the beatles.
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Elvis is the King of Rock and Roll and always will be...what he and Freddie shared in common is that when and wherever they performed they both put their heart and soul in each song.
rhyeking
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[b]Isle0fRed wrote: [/b]
america doesnt like anything british or any nationality
but if u see the signs
all of the greatest stuff came from non-yankie countries
the greatest scientist
da vinci or entsien
are they american
bands
zeplin, black sabbarth, acdc,
are they american
movies
2001, italin job (1969)
the latter, america fucked it up
i could go on
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There are so many things I have to say about the ignorance of the above post that I don't know where to begin and I don't have all night to completely destroy it with a well-countered argument.
All I'm going to say is that so many countries on this planet, and so many people, have achieved great things throughout human history that to compare them is an exercise is stupidity and futility. America has given the world great things, flawed as it is. There are no countries whose history is free of blood-shed, injustice and man's inhumanity to man. I say this because there's no need for this to turn into a "Ways America is Screwed Up" thread.
If you want a list of America's contributions to science, thumb through this site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~claelliott/chronmain.htm
Musically, America gave us Blues, Jazz and Rock & Roll, amongst other things. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and AC/DC would not have existed with the influence of Blues. Great American artists include: Elvis Presley, Larry Williams, Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, Louis Armstrong, Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Johnny Cash, Howlin' Wolf, Aretha Franklin, Woody Gutherie, Bruce Springsteen, The Beach Boys, Roy Orbison, Nirvana, Pearl Jam...Sweet Jesus, the list could go on forever. The same is true for English music: Zeppelin, The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Animals, Queen, Small Faces, Mike Oldfield, The Shadows...on and on...
While we're at, let's throw some Canadian music in there, huh? Gordon Lightfoot, Rush, Barenaked Ladies, Bryan Adams, The Guess Who...
Austrailia? Since AC/DC came up, give Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds a listen.
Most of the names I cited grew out of Blues, Jazz and American Folk. Music in the Twentieth Century fed off itself, defying the borders of countries, nationalities and is ever grewing.
Films? You actually want to go there? Citizen Kane...an American movie...the greatest, most influential, cinema-altering film EVER MADE. Anyone who calls this film overrated as absolutely no understanding history, politics and storytelling, not to mention art.
There are thousands of great, important American films. There are likewise many films from other countries which are just as groundbreaking and historically relevant.
[b]Isle0fRed wrote: [/b]
america doesnt like anything british or any nationality
but if u see the signs
all of the greatest stuff came from non-yankie countries
the greatest scientist
da vinci or entsien
are they american
bands
zeplin, black sabbarth, acdc,
are they american
movies
2001, italin job (1969)
the latter, america fucked it up
i could go on
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There are so many things I have to say about the ignorance of the above post that I don't know where to begin and I don't have all night to completely destroy it with a well-countered argument.
All I'm going to say is that so many countries on this planet, and so many people, have achieved great things throughout human history that to compare them is an exercise is stupidity and futility. America has given the world great things, flawed as it is. There are no countries whose history is free of blood-shed, injustice and man's inhumanity to man. I say this because there's no need for this to turn into a "Ways America is Screwed Up" thread.
If you want a list of America's contributions to science, thumb through this site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~claelliott/chronmain.htm
Musically, America gave us Blues, Jazz and Rock & Roll, amongst other things. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and AC/DC would not have existed with the influence of Blues. Great American artists include: Elvis Presley, Larry Williams, Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, Louis Armstrong, Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Johnny Cash, Howlin' Wolf, Aretha Franklin, Woody Gutherie, Bruce Springsteen, The Beach Boys, Roy Orbison, Nirvana, Pearl Jam...Sweet Jesus, the list could go on forever. The same is true for English music: Zeppelin, The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Animals, Queen, Small Faces, Mike Oldfield, The Shadows...on and on...
While we're at, let's throw some Canadian music in there, huh? Gordon Lightfoot, Rush, Barenaked Ladies, Bryan Adams, The Guess Who...
Austrailia? Since AC/DC came up, give Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds a listen.
Most of the names I cited grew out of Blues, Jazz and American Folk. Music in the Twentieth Century fed off itself, defying the borders of countries, nationalities and is ever grewing.
Films? You actually want to go there? Citizen Kane...an American movie...the greatest, most influential, cinema-altering film EVER MADE. Anyone who calls this film overrated as absolutely no understanding history, politics and storytelling, not to mention art.
There are thousands of great, important American films. There are likewise many films from other countries which are just as groundbreaking and historically relevant.
mike hunt
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[b]rhyeking wrote: [/b]
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[b]Isle0fRed wrote: [/b]
america doesnt like anything british or any nationality
but if u see the signs
all of the greatest stuff came from non-yankie countries
the greatest scientist
da vinci or entsien
are they american
bands
zeplin, black sabbarth, acdc,
are they american
movies
2001, italin job (1969)
the latter, america fucked it up
i could go on
[/QUOTE]
There are so many things I have to say about the ignorance of the above post that I don't know where to begin and I don't have all night to completely destroy it with a well-countered argument.
All I'm going to say is that so many countries on this planet, and so many people, have achieved great things throughout human history that to compare them is an exercise is stupidity and futility. America has given the world great things, flawed as it is. There are no countries whose history is free of blood-shed, injustice and man's inhumanity to man. I say this because there's no need for this to turn into a "Ways America is Screwed Up" thread.
If you want a list of America's contributions to science, thumb through this site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~claelliott/chronmain.htm
Musically, America gave us Blues, Jazz and Rock & Roll, amongst other things. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and AC/DC would not have existed with the influence of Blues. Great American artists include: Elvis Presley, Larry Williams, Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, Louis Armstrong, Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Johnny Cash, Howlin' Wolf, Aretha Franklin, Woody Gutherie, Bruce Springsteen, The Beach Boys, Roy Orbison, Nirvana, Pearl Jam...Sweet Jesus, the list could go on forever. The same is true for English music: Zeppelin, The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Animals, Queen, Small Faces, Mike Oldfield, The Shadows...on and on...
While we're at, let's throw some Canadian music in there, huh? Gordon Lightfoot, Rush, Barenaked Ladies, Bryan Adams, The Guess Who...
Austrailia? Since AC/DC came up, give Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds a listen.
Most of the names I cited grew out of Blues, Jazz and American Folk. Music in the Twentieth Century fed off itself, defying the borders of countries, nationalities and is ever grewing.
Films? You actually want to go there? Citizen Kane...an American movie...the greatest, most influential, cinema-altering film EVER MADE. Anyone who calls this film overrated as absolutely no understanding history, politics and storytelling, not to mention art.
There are thousands of great, important American films. There are likewise many films from other countries which are just as groundbreaking and historically relevant.
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Ignorance is the right word. Almost every band in history were influenced by the blues, zeppelin even stole shit from the blues masters. the same with the stones and every other british classic rock band. If freddie mercury didn't come along brian and roger would have been doing the same shit. A poor mans rock blues band. That's why I always tell people freddie was the true innovator of Queen. how many other classic rockers were influenced by noel coward and broadway?...not many.
[b]rhyeking wrote: [/b]
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[b]Isle0fRed wrote: [/b]
america doesnt like anything british or any nationality
but if u see the signs
all of the greatest stuff came from non-yankie countries
the greatest scientist
da vinci or entsien
are they american
bands
zeplin, black sabbarth, acdc,
are they american
movies
2001, italin job (1969)
the latter, america fucked it up
i could go on
[/QUOTE]
There are so many things I have to say about the ignorance of the above post that I don't know where to begin and I don't have all night to completely destroy it with a well-countered argument.
All I'm going to say is that so many countries on this planet, and so many people, have achieved great things throughout human history that to compare them is an exercise is stupidity and futility. America has given the world great things, flawed as it is. There are no countries whose history is free of blood-shed, injustice and man's inhumanity to man. I say this because there's no need for this to turn into a "Ways America is Screwed Up" thread.
If you want a list of America's contributions to science, thumb through this site:
http://home.earthlink.net/~claelliott/chronmain.htm
Musically, America gave us Blues, Jazz and Rock & Roll, amongst other things. Led Zeppelin, Black Sabbath and AC/DC would not have existed with the influence of Blues. Great American artists include: Elvis Presley, Larry Williams, Muddy Waters, Bo Diddley, Louis Armstrong, Pete Seeger, Leadbelly, Johnny Cash, Howlin' Wolf, Aretha Franklin, Woody Gutherie, Bruce Springsteen, The Beach Boys, Roy Orbison, Nirvana, Pearl Jam...Sweet Jesus, the list could go on forever. The same is true for English music: Zeppelin, The Who, The Rolling Stones, The Kinks, The Animals, Queen, Small Faces, Mike Oldfield, The Shadows...on and on...
While we're at, let's throw some Canadian music in there, huh? Gordon Lightfoot, Rush, Barenaked Ladies, Bryan Adams, The Guess Who...
Austrailia? Since AC/DC came up, give Nick Cave and The Bad Seeds a listen.
Most of the names I cited grew out of Blues, Jazz and American Folk. Music in the Twentieth Century fed off itself, defying the borders of countries, nationalities and is ever grewing.
Films? You actually want to go there? Citizen Kane...an American movie...the greatest, most influential, cinema-altering film EVER MADE. Anyone who calls this film overrated as absolutely no understanding history, politics and storytelling, not to mention art.
There are thousands of great, important American films. There are likewise many films from other countries which are just as groundbreaking and historically relevant.
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Ignorance is the right word. Almost every band in history were influenced by the blues, zeppelin even stole shit from the blues masters. the same with the stones and every other british classic rock band. If freddie mercury didn't come along brian and roger would have been doing the same shit. A poor mans rock blues band. That's why I always tell people freddie was the true innovator of Queen. how many other classic rockers were influenced by noel coward and broadway?...not many.
ILoveQueen20
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[b]qrock wrote: [/b]
On MSN website, Queen are among Oasis, The Beatles, Pink Floyd and Elvis for the Most Overrated Artists Ever.
Queen have been a major Rock Band for Many Years, since 1971 and have released 15 studio Albums. They are credited for selling over 300 million albums Worldwide, the best selling UK Single, Best Selling album in the UK and best live performance ever.
They are also noted for their unique style from Heavy Metal, to Opera, Ragtime to Funk, Arena Rock to Fantasy Heavy Progressive Rock from Queen II.
However the quote to why Queen is so overrated as follows:
"Music for People who have no interest in music. They are a novelty act in my eyes.....gimmicky tunes/lyrics. Terrible hair/tash, dreadful clothes.....and they have the best selling LP in Britain ever LOL....The Great British Public, Don't you just love em?
http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/music/galleries/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=1493495151&imageindex=12
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(only my opinion :) -)How the hell are Queen overated? Oh real nice, No interest in music wtf? I know its only this yanks opinion but it still gets on my wick!!!!! Lmao Queen are hardly a novelty act their music is amazing and most of their music is actaully really meaningful I mean open your ears! , sure it was glam rock at the start but atleast they wore outragus/Great outfits and pulled them off! & Had TALENT They could actaully sing/play their instuments amazingly!(if thats a word...) :D
Its kinda obvious why Queen are the best selling in Britian...THEY HAD PURE TALENT & ROCKED! oh and Freddies tash & hair were AMAZING!
LOL at this blokes pure ignorance! Hahaha!
[b]qrock wrote: [/b]
On MSN website, Queen are among Oasis, The Beatles, Pink Floyd and Elvis for the Most Overrated Artists Ever.
Queen have been a major Rock Band for Many Years, since 1971 and have released 15 studio Albums. They are credited for selling over 300 million albums Worldwide, the best selling UK Single, Best Selling album in the UK and best live performance ever.
They are also noted for their unique style from Heavy Metal, to Opera, Ragtime to Funk, Arena Rock to Fantasy Heavy Progressive Rock from Queen II.
However the quote to why Queen is so overrated as follows:
"Music for People who have no interest in music. They are a novelty act in my eyes.....gimmicky tunes/lyrics. Terrible hair/tash, dreadful clothes.....and they have the best selling LP in Britain ever LOL....The Great British Public, Don't you just love em?
http://entertainment.uk.msn.com/music/galleries/gallery.aspx?cp-documentid=1493495151&imageindex=12
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(only my opinion :) -)How the hell are Queen overated? Oh real nice, No interest in music wtf? I know its only this yanks opinion but it still gets on my wick!!!!! Lmao Queen are hardly a novelty act their music is amazing and most of their music is actaully really meaningful I mean open your ears! , sure it was glam rock at the start but atleast they wore outragus/Great outfits and pulled them off! & Had TALENT They could actaully sing/play their instuments amazingly!(if thats a word...) :D
Its kinda obvious why Queen are the best selling in Britian...THEY HAD PURE TALENT & ROCKED! oh and Freddies tash & hair were AMAZING!
LOL at this blokes pure ignorance! Hahaha!
Soapy Gonad
Queen may be over-rated, but I can't think of a single band more relevant than them consitently throughout a 30 year period.
Its pretty cool to drive my [url=http://www.sytner.co.uk/audi/used-cars.aspx]Used Audi[/url] and listen to the old hits.
Its pretty cool to drive my [url=http://www.sytner.co.uk/audi/used-cars.aspx]Used Audi[/url] and listen to the old hits.
Angeline
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[b]Soapy Gonad wrote: [/b]
Queen may be over-rated, but I can't think of a single band more relevant than them consitently throughout a 30 year period.
Its pretty cool to drive my [url=http://www.sytner.co.uk/audi/used-cars.aspx]Used Audi[/url] and listen to the old hits. [/QUOTE]
Jake, one reasonable post can't make up fr all the other 'delights' that 'soapy gonad' has posted.
Go soap your own filthy gonads, as I'm sure as hell that no one else is going to do it.
[b]Soapy Gonad wrote: [/b]
Queen may be over-rated, but I can't think of a single band more relevant than them consitently throughout a 30 year period.
Its pretty cool to drive my [url=http://www.sytner.co.uk/audi/used-cars.aspx]Used Audi[/url] and listen to the old hits. [/QUOTE]
Jake, one reasonable post can't make up fr all the other 'delights' that 'soapy gonad' has posted.
Go soap your own filthy gonads, as I'm sure as hell that no one else is going to do it.
mike hunt
thinking about this now, Queen might have been a tad overated in the uk, and underated in the states.
john bodega
I'd support that statement. It does depend on who you ask, but my general experience among musicians and fans of music is that Queen is seen a bit idealistically as some kind of perfect band that created high art 100% of the time, when they really had as much of a hit/miss ratio as any other band.
emma246000
Hmmm....Queen, overrated???! No! Unique and versatile?! Yes! :) Well, this is just my opinion!
4 x Vision
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[b]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/b]
Totally agree about Elvis.
His only talent was being a good performer. He wasn't such a great singer, but had a distinctive voice. Come to think of it, he was the perfect white package RCA was looking for to sell black music.
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I know it's been replied too already very well, but being a big Elvis fan too, I HAVE to contribute. "He wasn't such a great singer"... are you insane... some of his performances on certain bootlegs would even give Freddie a run for his money. If you want I could share some fantastic live renditions. Freddie knew that.
As for stealing "black" music... how many black stars over the years have credited and thanked Elvis for throwing everything on it's head and bringing "black" music to the masses??? James Brown, Little Richard, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry etc etc
What a poorly thought out criticism. You've every right to not like a particular artist, but to "create" facts is very poor.
As for U2, Coldplay and Oasis... they had their day.... I wonder if they'll have the same staying power as Queen have had in the future? (Genuine question)
[b]Mr.Jingles wrote: [/b]
Totally agree about Elvis.
His only talent was being a good performer. He wasn't such a great singer, but had a distinctive voice. Come to think of it, he was the perfect white package RCA was looking for to sell black music.
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I know it's been replied too already very well, but being a big Elvis fan too, I HAVE to contribute. "He wasn't such a great singer"... are you insane... some of his performances on certain bootlegs would even give Freddie a run for his money. If you want I could share some fantastic live renditions. Freddie knew that.
As for stealing "black" music... how many black stars over the years have credited and thanked Elvis for throwing everything on it's head and bringing "black" music to the masses??? James Brown, Little Richard, Fats Domino, Chuck Berry etc etc
What a poorly thought out criticism. You've every right to not like a particular artist, but to "create" facts is very poor.
As for U2, Coldplay and Oasis... they had their day.... I wonder if they'll have the same staying power as Queen have had in the future? (Genuine question)
john bodega
I think U2's staying power is a proven fact, regardless of the lameness of their last couple of albums .... they are here and have been for decades, so it's really no longer up for debate.
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[/QUOTE]It will be interesting to see how people think of Coldplay in twenty years time. If anyone even remembers them. I'd have forgotten about them by now if it weren't for frequent and unpleasant reminders.[/QUOTE]
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[/QUOTE]It will be interesting to see how people think of Coldplay in twenty years time. If anyone even remembers them. I'd have forgotten about them by now if it weren't for frequent and unpleasant reminders.[/QUOTE]
Karmablade
overrated? you are fucking retarded if you think so
Queen= by far the best band of all time, no band will ever beat them.
Queen= by far the best band of all time, no band will ever beat them.
whitequeen2
Queen over rated? If anything they are disrespected and not given enough airplay here in the States. We're force fed the Beatles, Stones, Pink Floyd, and others no where near the stature and talent of Queen.
qrock
The guy who did that article was just an idiot. He probably knows nothing of Queen and Is just an ignorant critic making a stupid article. Queen are over rated in the sense of Bo Rhap being the Greatest Song Ever (great song but not the greatest song ever). But Queen are underated in the sense that most people take Queen by the only 5 hits they know and don't know how influential, versitile, unique, iconic, creative and talented musicians, songwriters and entertainers they were and had one of the most inspiring and stunning rock careers ever. They are great musicians, there are no barriers in rock music, they are full of ideas, tried things that other bands had not done before, were very popular, stunned people, had a great catalouge of hits and did everything you could ask of a rock band. No Band has had quite the same depth and talent as Queen which stuns many people with awe.
I Know that the younger generation think Queen are rubbish, that ticks me off as it shows that many people don't know what their talking about and there is such a wide range of music out there that is beyond and far greater than the contemporary music of today.
I Know that the younger generation think Queen are rubbish, that ticks me off as it shows that many people don't know what their talking about and there is such a wide range of music out there that is beyond and far greater than the contemporary music of today.