I just saw this. Brian comments. Most comments after the article support Brian.
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GratefulFan
[QUOTE]cacatua wrote:
I just saw this. Brian comments. Most comments after the article support Brian. [/QUOTE]
Niether missive adds anything useful to the matter at hand and neither is worthy of attention. In this instance both men generally come off like a couple of self focused twits unfit for civil discourse. Anybody congratulating either of them would benefit from getting a bit of a grip in my view.
I just saw this. Brian comments. Most comments after the article support Brian. [/QUOTE]
Niether missive adds anything useful to the matter at hand and neither is worthy of attention. In this instance both men generally come off like a couple of self focused twits unfit for civil discourse. Anybody congratulating either of them would benefit from getting a bit of a grip in my view.
GratefulFan
[QUOTE]cacatua wrote:
Yes, I am loyal, and call me a "Stepford" if you wish. If that is the worst thing I ever get called then I can live with it. [/QUOTE]
You've mentioned the Stepford thing a couple of times in different posts, and I've always wondered why. I love that you're loyal, and I love even more that you're effective in your loyalty. You're gently persistant, but you listen and you give and you take and adjust where necessary. You set the tone beautifully on your Facebook Save Me posts. YOU should be in charge. :)
[QUOTE]cacatua wrote:
I don't disagree with anything you have said, because it is all true. BUT I am less judgemental about it because I have an artistic nature too, and that tends to make you inclined to have emotions stronger than more normal people, which creates the drive to do works of art. But it makes one prone to getting stressed out more easily and having a meltdown.[/QUOTE]
It's a real mistake to think that any given arrangement of people have the market cornered on compassion, stronger or superior emotions, creativity, stress, depression or anything else. Everybody has a story cacatua. If I had a nickel for every person on Save Me that expressed some form of 'we're lucky because we're the good people that care" (as opposed to all those nasty 'other' that don't) I'd be well on my way to Stanley Cup playoff tickets. It's completely misguided.
Almost everybody is passionate about something important. If passion and emotion alone were the secret ingredient for wisdom and rational decisions we'd stack juries with the loved ones of the murder victim. But we don't do that. There are one or two things that incense me to the point that I know my rationality can get suspect. It doesn't mean I care less about other things like animal cruelty or children's rights, or any other issue that engages our emotions. It just means that the really transparently bad arguments (we should all rewatch the scene in Bambi when Bambi's mom gets shot? Really?), fallacious thinking, eliminationist rhetoric and cute pictures of foxes slide right off the plate just like they should.
Yes, I am loyal, and call me a "Stepford" if you wish. If that is the worst thing I ever get called then I can live with it. [/QUOTE]
You've mentioned the Stepford thing a couple of times in different posts, and I've always wondered why. I love that you're loyal, and I love even more that you're effective in your loyalty. You're gently persistant, but you listen and you give and you take and adjust where necessary. You set the tone beautifully on your Facebook Save Me posts. YOU should be in charge. :)
[QUOTE]cacatua wrote:
I don't disagree with anything you have said, because it is all true. BUT I am less judgemental about it because I have an artistic nature too, and that tends to make you inclined to have emotions stronger than more normal people, which creates the drive to do works of art. But it makes one prone to getting stressed out more easily and having a meltdown.[/QUOTE]
It's a real mistake to think that any given arrangement of people have the market cornered on compassion, stronger or superior emotions, creativity, stress, depression or anything else. Everybody has a story cacatua. If I had a nickel for every person on Save Me that expressed some form of 'we're lucky because we're the good people that care" (as opposed to all those nasty 'other' that don't) I'd be well on my way to Stanley Cup playoff tickets. It's completely misguided.
Almost everybody is passionate about something important. If passion and emotion alone were the secret ingredient for wisdom and rational decisions we'd stack juries with the loved ones of the murder victim. But we don't do that. There are one or two things that incense me to the point that I know my rationality can get suspect. It doesn't mean I care less about other things like animal cruelty or children's rights, or any other issue that engages our emotions. It just means that the really transparently bad arguments (we should all rewatch the scene in Bambi when Bambi's mom gets shot? Really?), fallacious thinking, eliminationist rhetoric and cute pictures of foxes slide right off the plate just like they should.
cacatua
GratefulFan
There is a lot of energy at Save Me wall on Facebook. It runs far too much to sniping back and forth with "the other side". I don't like it either and I have several times posted things like I did this morning about harnessing that energy and diverting at least some of it towards these great rescues and wildlife hospitals which are always short of funds and people to volunteer to ACTUALLY DO SOME GOOD FOR THE ANIMALS!!!
Yesterday I posted about some of the permanent animals at Tiggywinkle (hehehe - what a name) in need of being adopted by someone to pay for their care on a yearly basis, and someone jumped right in there for the fox anyway, but the comment I left this morning seems to have died. Meanwhile there is all of this professed sympathy devoted to outrage.
I have proposed to Brian that he try to direct some of this energy in a more positive direction, but the only thing he has answered back so far is about how the treatment of the animals drives him to despair, and he really vented himself out spitefully in the new section called "Lame Claims" at the Save Me website. For god's sake, do a longer version of the Save Me anthem, release it to iTunes for the troops on the wall and give the proceeds to the rescue places or something, which I suppose is easier for me to toss out there than to do.
I see such a good opportunity here, with people coming on board from everywhere, to start a world-wide movement for the long haul, but I don't know if it can morph into a more positive force or not. Right now it seems more of a raging torrent of spiteful feelings pouring out and we do not need another PETA!
I agree with what you have said to the effect that Brian could do this so much better. He just seems to be so wrapped in this thing that he has lost that perspective, and he has a whole wall of people reinforcing this very negative discourse. I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I'm a little exhausted of ideas at the moment.
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
There is a lot of energy at Save Me wall on Facebook. It runs far too much to sniping back and forth with "the other side". I don't like it either and I have several times posted things like I did this morning about harnessing that energy and diverting at least some of it towards these great rescues and wildlife hospitals which are always short of funds and people to volunteer to ACTUALLY DO SOME GOOD FOR THE ANIMALS!!!
Yesterday I posted about some of the permanent animals at Tiggywinkle (hehehe - what a name) in need of being adopted by someone to pay for their care on a yearly basis, and someone jumped right in there for the fox anyway, but the comment I left this morning seems to have died. Meanwhile there is all of this professed sympathy devoted to outrage.
I have proposed to Brian that he try to direct some of this energy in a more positive direction, but the only thing he has answered back so far is about how the treatment of the animals drives him to despair, and he really vented himself out spitefully in the new section called "Lame Claims" at the Save Me website. For god's sake, do a longer version of the Save Me anthem, release it to iTunes for the troops on the wall and give the proceeds to the rescue places or something, which I suppose is easier for me to toss out there than to do.
I see such a good opportunity here, with people coming on board from everywhere, to start a world-wide movement for the long haul, but I don't know if it can morph into a more positive force or not. Right now it seems more of a raging torrent of spiteful feelings pouring out and we do not need another PETA!
I agree with what you have said to the effect that Brian could do this so much better. He just seems to be so wrapped in this thing that he has lost that perspective, and he has a whole wall of people reinforcing this very negative discourse. I'm not ready to throw the baby out with the bathwater, but I'm a little exhausted of ideas at the moment.
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
Holly2003
cacatua wrote:
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
Did I once call you a Stepford? If so, I'm sure you deserved it :p
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
Did I once call you a Stepford? If so, I'm sure you deserved it :p
cacatua
Holly2003 wrote: cacatua wrote:
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
Did I once call you a Stepford? If so, I'm sure you deserved it :p ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've decided to own it! :oP))))))))))))))))))))))
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
Did I once call you a Stepford? If so, I'm sure you deserved it :p ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've decided to own it! :oP))))))))))))))))))))))
Holly2003
cacatua wrote: Holly2003 wrote: cacatua wrote:
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
Did I once call you a Stepford? If so, I'm sure you deserved it :p ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've decided to own it! :oP))))))))))))))))))))))
Ha! :)
As to the Stepford thing, ask Holly.
Did I once call you a Stepford? If so, I'm sure you deserved it :p ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I've decided to own it! :oP))))))))))))))))))))))
Ha! :)
4 x Vision
I'm shocked, I emailed him and got a PROPER response on his poster speech put up on his Soapbox... gave me a wee buzz even at 31 lol (big kid).
I tried to get in a Queen related question on the box set on the fly (the one we've all given up on), he PS'd a joke and said I'd get the first "all encompassing box set " (whatever that is... prob the 4 x singles collection). He better be a man of his word or I'll kick the shit out of a fox and wear a badger as a hat!
I tried to get in a Queen related question on the box set on the fly (the one we've all given up on), he PS'd a joke and said I'd get the first "all encompassing box set " (whatever that is... prob the 4 x singles collection). He better be a man of his word or I'll kick the shit out of a fox and wear a badger as a hat!
cacatua
At risk of being boo'd out of here I am going to share this with you. I put it on the Wall this morning at the Save Me campaign:
FOXFIRE
This is my song:
I am a red and special fox
At times a glowing ember in retreat
But then again a flame
Dancing across the meadow
The sweet smell of dewey grass
Comes up to intoxicate me
Now a scent of meadow mice -
I will dance with them a while
And my cubs will eat well
Do you not love to see my
Blazing coat, my bushy tail
And my fine, long black velvet gloves?
Am I not a vision that
Warms you like a flame in the fireplace?
Come warm yourself before my fire.
FOXFIRE
This is my song:
I am a red and special fox
At times a glowing ember in retreat
But then again a flame
Dancing across the meadow
The sweet smell of dewey grass
Comes up to intoxicate me
Now a scent of meadow mice -
I will dance with them a while
And my cubs will eat well
Do you not love to see my
Blazing coat, my bushy tail
And my fine, long black velvet gloves?
Am I not a vision that
Warms you like a flame in the fireplace?
Come warm yourself before my fire.
cacatua
cacatua wrote: At risk of being boo'd out of here I am going to share this with you. I put it on the Wall this morning at the Save Me campaign:
FOXFIRE
This is my song:
I am a red and special fox
At times a glowing ember in retreat
But then again a flame
Dancing across the meadow
The sweet smell of dewey grass
Comes up to intoxicate me
Now a scent of meadow mice -
I will dance with them a while
And my cubs will eat well
Do you not love to see my
Blazing coat, my bushy tail
And my fine, long black velvet gloves?
Am I not a vision that
Warms you like a flame in the fireplace?
Come warm yourself before my fire.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, at least one person got the most blatant reference to Bri's guitar in my poem at the Facebook Save Me wall. No one caught the second one.
Have you heard that Bri's reply to Parsons, If you ever come within sniffing distance of me, I'll have your guts for garters, you pathetic, arrogant, jumped-up snivelling little dweeb! is now the quote of the day at the Guardian?
It seems to have grown legs like Joe Biden's "This is a big fuckin' deal!" comment to Obama that got caught accidentally by an open microphone.
Like them or not they seem to have struck a chord............... :op
FOXFIRE
This is my song:
I am a red and special fox
At times a glowing ember in retreat
But then again a flame
Dancing across the meadow
The sweet smell of dewey grass
Comes up to intoxicate me
Now a scent of meadow mice -
I will dance with them a while
And my cubs will eat well
Do you not love to see my
Blazing coat, my bushy tail
And my fine, long black velvet gloves?
Am I not a vision that
Warms you like a flame in the fireplace?
Come warm yourself before my fire.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Well, at least one person got the most blatant reference to Bri's guitar in my poem at the Facebook Save Me wall. No one caught the second one.
Have you heard that Bri's reply to Parsons, If you ever come within sniffing distance of me, I'll have your guts for garters, you pathetic, arrogant, jumped-up snivelling little dweeb! is now the quote of the day at the Guardian?
It seems to have grown legs like Joe Biden's "This is a big fuckin' deal!" comment to Obama that got caught accidentally by an open microphone.
Like them or not they seem to have struck a chord............... :op
YourValentine
I believe that nobody can seriously deny that Brian May has every right to voice his opinion as loud and in every way he prefers. However, even Brian May has to admit that nobody would listen much to what he has to say if he were not such a popular and public figure due to his success as Queen's guitar player. If he were a good scientist, professor at Oxford and not the guitar player with Queen - nobody would listen to his campaign and the press would not send a camera team to report on the campaign.
If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this. He should know by now that you need to control your "submit" button when you have a public blog and when you are a celebrity whose blog is watched by the media. It just does not help to post insulting messages and even threats of violence and then blame it on the press a couple of days later. Today he had to apologise to Victoria Beckham for wrongfully accusing her to wear a fox tail with her outfit - how embarrassing is that? At least the basic facts should be correct when you shout about other "celebs" on your blog because the other celebs have lawyers, too and do not shut up like a local counsillor.
The "Save Me " facebook group is ruled by a horrible bunch of fundamentalists who make the few campaign opponents look like the sane part of the spectrum. Brian used to be aware of the dangers of facebook and other networks and he stayed away. He should have trusted this instinct. I am sure he learns a lot from this campaign and next time he will approach such an issue with more caution and more professionalism.
If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this. He should know by now that you need to control your "submit" button when you have a public blog and when you are a celebrity whose blog is watched by the media. It just does not help to post insulting messages and even threats of violence and then blame it on the press a couple of days later. Today he had to apologise to Victoria Beckham for wrongfully accusing her to wear a fox tail with her outfit - how embarrassing is that? At least the basic facts should be correct when you shout about other "celebs" on your blog because the other celebs have lawyers, too and do not shut up like a local counsillor.
The "Save Me " facebook group is ruled by a horrible bunch of fundamentalists who make the few campaign opponents look like the sane part of the spectrum. Brian used to be aware of the dangers of facebook and other networks and he stayed away. He should have trusted this instinct. I am sure he learns a lot from this campaign and next time he will approach such an issue with more caution and more professionalism.
cacatua
YourValentine wrote: I believe that nobody can seriously deny that Brian May has every right to voice his opinion as loud and in every way he prefers. However, even Brian May has to admit that nobody would listen much to what he has to say if he were not such a popular and public figure due to his success as Queen's guitar player. If he were a good scientist, professor at Oxford and not the guitar player with Queen - nobody would listen to his campaign and the press would not send a camera team to report on the campaign.
If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this. He should know by now that you need to control your "submit" button when you have a public blog and when you are a celebrity whose blog is watched by the media. It just does not help to post insulting messages and even threats of violence and then blame it on the press a couple of days later. Today he had to apologise to Victoria Beckham for wrongfully accusing her to wear a fox tail with her outfit - how embarrassing is that? At least the basic facts should be correct when you shout about other "celebs" on your blog because the other celebs have lawyers, too and do not shut up like a local counsillor.
The "Save Me " facebook group is ruled by a horrible bunch of fundamentalists who make the few campaign opponents look like the sane part of the spectrum. Brian used to be aware of the dangers of facebook and other networks and he stayed away. He should have trusted this instinct. I am sure he learns a lot from this campaign and next time he will approach such an issue with more caution and more professionalism. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I began hearing rumors about the Beckham faux foxtails last night but could not see anything at the Soapbox but the original picture of her, and Brian's statement, which did also say, "Tell me this isn't true." This morning the picture was gone, and I found the letter concerning the affair. Apparently it takes longer for the new posts at the Soapbox to get to mid-America!
So, Brian was told that it indeed was NOT true. I didn't see a great deal of contentiousness from either side in the letters posted. BUT there is a great deal of enthusiasm at Facebook, and it sounds like a lot of young people. I recall a couple of days ago when they saw this Beckham picture and were all pestering Brian with it. More enthusiasm than fact-checking. But Brian should have fact-checked before posting it.
I looked at the pictures, showing the "tails" in various fashion colors, and said hmmmmm....but sort of ignored the whole thing until now. It remains to be seen if it will cause another dust-up or not, though it is hard to believe that the other side will not latch onto it and trumpet it far and wide to discredit Brian's campaign. The campaign opponents that post at Facebook do not look sane to me, or at least not the ones I have happened to see on the wall, many of whom appear to be a bunch of louts just there to get a rise out of anyone who will respond.
Of course Brian has this platform because of C-lebrity! He has a great deal of passion for this cause and campaign, and I think that the tail wags the dog some of the time. There is not doubt that it is quite a learning experience, but I give him a lot credit for putting himself out there on behalf of animals, even though such a thing is a mine field, instead of playing it safe.
Stuff like this happens. Then you apologize, regroup and go on, lesson learned.
If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this. He should know by now that you need to control your "submit" button when you have a public blog and when you are a celebrity whose blog is watched by the media. It just does not help to post insulting messages and even threats of violence and then blame it on the press a couple of days later. Today he had to apologise to Victoria Beckham for wrongfully accusing her to wear a fox tail with her outfit - how embarrassing is that? At least the basic facts should be correct when you shout about other "celebs" on your blog because the other celebs have lawyers, too and do not shut up like a local counsillor.
The "Save Me " facebook group is ruled by a horrible bunch of fundamentalists who make the few campaign opponents look like the sane part of the spectrum. Brian used to be aware of the dangers of facebook and other networks and he stayed away. He should have trusted this instinct. I am sure he learns a lot from this campaign and next time he will approach such an issue with more caution and more professionalism. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I began hearing rumors about the Beckham faux foxtails last night but could not see anything at the Soapbox but the original picture of her, and Brian's statement, which did also say, "Tell me this isn't true." This morning the picture was gone, and I found the letter concerning the affair. Apparently it takes longer for the new posts at the Soapbox to get to mid-America!
So, Brian was told that it indeed was NOT true. I didn't see a great deal of contentiousness from either side in the letters posted. BUT there is a great deal of enthusiasm at Facebook, and it sounds like a lot of young people. I recall a couple of days ago when they saw this Beckham picture and were all pestering Brian with it. More enthusiasm than fact-checking. But Brian should have fact-checked before posting it.
I looked at the pictures, showing the "tails" in various fashion colors, and said hmmmmm....but sort of ignored the whole thing until now. It remains to be seen if it will cause another dust-up or not, though it is hard to believe that the other side will not latch onto it and trumpet it far and wide to discredit Brian's campaign. The campaign opponents that post at Facebook do not look sane to me, or at least not the ones I have happened to see on the wall, many of whom appear to be a bunch of louts just there to get a rise out of anyone who will respond.
Of course Brian has this platform because of C-lebrity! He has a great deal of passion for this cause and campaign, and I think that the tail wags the dog some of the time. There is not doubt that it is quite a learning experience, but I give him a lot credit for putting himself out there on behalf of animals, even though such a thing is a mine field, instead of playing it safe.
Stuff like this happens. Then you apologize, regroup and go on, lesson learned.
cacatua
I just wanted to add that there are people from all over the world who have befriended Brian's campaign at Facebook - over 18,000 now in just over a week! So anyone is welcome to join as a show of support.
The Real Wizard
YourValentine wrote:
"If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this."
No doubt Brian uses his status as a famous rock musician to give him a platform to make his views heard. There will always be people who will condemn him for using his status this way, but those people will always be fewer in number than those will be positively affected by the message. Should the fact that he's a famous musician render him unqualified to voice his opinion? Absolutely not, and he refuses to bow down to that. He may not be doing a perfect job, but he's giving a voice to a very good cause. That's the bottom line.
"If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this."
No doubt Brian uses his status as a famous rock musician to give him a platform to make his views heard. There will always be people who will condemn him for using his status this way, but those people will always be fewer in number than those will be positively affected by the message. Should the fact that he's a famous musician render him unqualified to voice his opinion? Absolutely not, and he refuses to bow down to that. He may not be doing a perfect job, but he's giving a voice to a very good cause. That's the bottom line.
cacatua
Sir GH wrote: YourValentine wrote:
"If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this."
No doubt Brian uses his status as a famous rock musician to give him a platform to make his views heard. There will always be people who will condemn him for using his status this way, but those people will always be fewer in number than those will be positively affected by the message. Should the fact that he's a famous musician render him unqualified to voice his opinion? Absolutely not, and he refuses to bow down to that. He may not be doing a perfect job, but he's giving a voice to a very good cause. That's the bottom line. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thank you kind Sir GH.
It often feels as though one is swimming against the current here.
"If you campaign for an important issue, there is always the danger that you proviide the "enemy" with ammunition against your cause and Brian seems to be an expert in doing just this."
No doubt Brian uses his status as a famous rock musician to give him a platform to make his views heard. There will always be people who will condemn him for using his status this way, but those people will always be fewer in number than those will be positively affected by the message. Should the fact that he's a famous musician render him unqualified to voice his opinion? Absolutely not, and he refuses to bow down to that. He may not be doing a perfect job, but he's giving a voice to a very good cause. That's the bottom line. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Thank you kind Sir GH.
It often feels as though one is swimming against the current here.