Brian's Save Me Campaign

I caught another mouse on Sunday.  Woo hoo!

It was stated on the SaveMe Facebook site over the weekend that we here at Queenzone are pretty much a gang of the bitchy and disloyal  who just think Brian should stick to the guitar where he belongs.  Which I think is a crap statement and more than a little unfair, but whatever.  'Cause I caught another mouse!

GratefulFan wrote: I caught another mouse on Sunday.  Woo hoo!

It was stated on the SaveMe Facebook site over the weekend that we here at Queenzone are pretty much a gang of the bitchy and disloyal  who just think Brian should stick to the guitar where he belongs.  Which I think is a crap statement and more than a little unfair, but whatever.  'Cause I caught another mouse!

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I've all but disassociated myself with Queenzone over this. I kept a thread
going until the other day, but the vocal ones seem to have the attitude that
Brian should shut up and get back to his music, and it gets worse from
there. Little loyalty. I wheedled and explained myself and this cause until
blue in the face, and the next thing was to get really pissed and tell them
what I REALLY thought, which wouldn't have accomplished anything, though I
would have felt better! But I do think that queenzone is somewhat known for
it's bitchiness.

#1 - Didn't your mother teach you that it isn't nice to tattle?

#2 - If the shoe fits..................

#3 - I was speaking to someone who assumed that if one were a Queen fan then one would support Brian - HA! She must have gotten that impression from another owner of a Queen fansite who said She and all of her members were joining Save Me and throwing their support behind Brian's campaign.

#4 - Apologies to those here who do not fit the above category. (Dragonfly, Amazon, Pittrek, Sir GH, Van Basten?, Beautiful Soup)

#5 - You are welcome to prove me wrong by joining Save Me. It might be really cool to see those at Queenzone who are the most vocal pulling FOR Brian instead of throwing insults at him for a change.

Maybe I am blind but I did not see anybody saying that Brian should stick to his guitar and not campaign against fox hunting except Brian's wig in his second posting. I think the discussion was quite civilised as yet. What bothers me and a couple of other people is the way how Brian presents his case in public. For example, somehow I do not think it's a good thing by any means to threaten to beat up a person on an internet blog, that's just my opinion. I do not think it's bitchy or overly criticising. I do think that you are quite immature when you cannot stand that someone disagrees with you. It's quite funny that we argue about an issue that does not affect us because we both do not have a say in the election. I find it even funnier that you think that people are bitchy in this thread whereas you earlier defended the Save Me facebook page where people compare hunters with serial killers and call supporters of the Tories psychopaths.

As to loyalty: I love Queen music and I buy records, concerts tickets, books and other products, that's how far my loyalty goes. I do NOTgive up thinking for myself and "follow" a Queen member in any issues other than music. I really find it ridiculous when someone suggests I should have a certain opinion about ANY political or social issue just because Brian May happens to have this opinion, for me that is absurd.

#1    It's hardly tattling.  And how ironic that you should say so.

#2    On the other hand, it's not ironic at all that apologies are handed out to those who seem to agree with you on some or all levels.  It's quite predictable.  That seems to be the bar for assessing sound thinking and good people in the Save Me world.

#3    It makes me sad to feel shut out of  an opportunity to indirectly pay back someone who has personally given me so much through music because it's impossible for me to support the campaign in it's current form.  A few others have agreed or expressed similar sentiments.  Did it occur to you that it might make some people feel sad?  I doubt it.

#4   I know you feel very passionate about this, are enjoying your role and have a lot to contribute.  I wish you luck.

#5    I'm off to eat a mango now.  Have a great day.

I have heard the opinion expressed so many times here in various threads that Brian should just shut up about any other interests and get back to his guitar that it is firmly etched in my memory.

I have heard it said here also that people are critical here and if you want to be in some fan group that is agreeable with whatever Queen or a member of Queen does then to join Queen Online, as if one could............but that's another topic. 

I apologized to those who had been supportive of Brian. If being supportive of Brian meant that they agreed with me then so be it.

If a guy's kinda maybe possibly shooting himself in the foot, there might be other valid ways to support him beyond holding his boot steady for him.

YourValentine wrote: Maybe I am blind but I did not see anybody saying that Brian should stick to his guitar and not campaign against fox hunting except Brian's wig in his second posting. I think the discussion was quite civilised as yet. What bothers me and a couple of other people is the way how Brian presents his case in public. For example, somehow I do not think it's a good thing by any means to threaten to beat up a person on an internet blog, that's just my opinion. I do not think it's bitchy or overly criticising. I do think that you are quite immature when you cannot stand that someone disagrees with you. It's quite funny that we argue about an issue that does not affect us because we both do not have a say in the election. I find it even funnier that you think that people are bitchy in this thread whereas you earlier defended the Save Me facebook page where people compare hunters with serial killers and call supporters of the Tories psychopaths.

As to loyalty: I love Queen music and I buy records, concerts tickets, books and other products, that's how far my loyalty goes. I do NOTgive up thinking for myself and "follow" a Queen member in any issues other than music. I really find it ridiculous when someone suggests I should have a certain opinion about ANY political or social issue just because Brian May happens to have this opinion, for me that is absurd.

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As you say there is many more than one way to be loyal.  And I don't in any way denigrate the kind of  loyalty cacatua speaks of - there is immense value in simply having someone's back when they need it, with broad tolerance and few questions asked, and a patient focus on the big picture through the messier details.   That's a very important type of loyalty and I've certainly been there in the past with other people and issues.  But the problem in my view is that there is nothing reciprocal in this instance.  No acknowledgement that there are equally important prinicples at stake that also need people as fiercely loyal to things like social fairness and cautious reason in order to come to the best conclusions for a very emotional and politically difficult issue.  You hear over and over, straight from the top, that they're simply right.  End of. It's as unappealing as anything can be.

As Adam lambert would say, "Whadda you want from me?" We've already had this conversation! You know I made an attempt to warn Brian that the tail was beginning to wag the dog, as if I had any inflence. The die is cast. I'm not comfortable with the black and white of it, but two of my passions intersect here and I believe in the overall scheme of things this is the good fight, if there is such a thing.

I believe that a good teacher sharing his or her love of a subject accomplishes far more that these pitched battles, where you make enemies and THEN try to convince them you are right. It ain't going to happen. The only real way is to teach the children. 

 I hate the vitriolic things that are hurled around. Today someone posted something vile and disgusting that was said by "Bring Back Fox Hunting" about Freddie, Queen and Brian. I was so pissed I went tearing over there for the first time and wanted to scream my head off at them!  I only got the satisfaction of reporting the one who posted it. I try to stay totally away from this stuff, but this was simply past the tipping point. That is a by product of this sort of thing.

I try to fit in, though sometimes feel a square peg in a round hole - sort of like here. Brian is either very courageous or he really had no idea what he was in for. But if this is what he wants then I'm there, even if it is OTT. There are plenty of good people there too. Not just the rabid ones.

I have had, and still have too many fine hours of listening to Queen while at my workbench or on the road to not be willing to "have Brian's back" as you say. In my opinion, Brian's guitar is the signature sound of Queen. I wish I could play so I could understand better the mechanics of it, but we are not all blessed with the same talents, and this horse is too old to begin learning something like that. Besides, I need my fingernails!

Now, I must get back to work.

I have a massive headache, and now I must get the hell away from work.

Allow me just to say that my evil plan to lure you back to the thread you retired from worked excellently. What can I say? I'm kinda naughty that way. :p

You feel like a square peg in a round hole because you kind of are in a small but important way.  You are a unique voice and have a somewhat uncommon point of view about this and other things too.  Which is why I think it would be great if  you stuck around being unique and uncommon.  And Stepfordy too.

But you really should stop being mean to Queenzone on the internet.

Last time I looked there weren't too many shrinking violets hanging around here. I think Queenzone is a little tougher than to be crushed at what I said.

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I was thinking about the Victoria-Beckham-wearing-a-foxtail thing the other day, specifically in comparison to indiginous North American people wearing animal skins and parts and such in a decorative or culturally symbolic way.  I think far fewer people would object to the latter. Why is that?  A lot of weight seems to be given to intent in the debate overall.  I'm not sure it really makes sense.

Because animals are spiritual relatives to Indians and aboriginal people. Skins, feathers, teeth, bones and the like that are used as decoration also have spiritual properties that tie the wearer to the the animals.

I doubt that Victoria Beckham has the slightest idea where those tails might originate or give a rat's ass for that matter. Last I heard they were faux tails.

Though I understand and accept your points, it should be acknowledged that you've given a deliberately generous interpretation for natives and a deliberately stingy one for Beckham.  Many natives wear or utilize animal skins and skulls etc. outside of spiritual rituals as simple symbols of cultural pride or of the reclamation of their stolen history.  No one questions their use in works of art which can be and often are sold for profit to anybody who wants to buy them - spiritual connection unknown. In the end animals are usually worn because it makes the wearer feel a certain way about themselves and their place in their own culture.   Couldn't you say the same about a woman wearing a fox tail on her bag? The story that is woven around one situation feels reverent and good and the story around the other is represented as shallow and callous.  I'm not yet convinced that's not entirely arbitrary.

Apologies to Victoria Beckham. Perhaps she did the sweatlodge purification and has gone on a vision quest and found her animal spiritual guide to be a fox. I have no idea, but I know what the odds are.......

Either you missed my points entirely or just rejected them outright. :)