cacatua
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Holly2003
cacatua wrote: Or perhaps both...................
And yet you wonder why most here don't give a hoot about Save Me ...
And yet you wonder why most here don't give a hoot about Save Me ...
cacatua
.........OK............I have read quite a lot of Indian authors, both old and contemporary. I feel that aboriginal people had the correct relationship with the natural world, before people began to worship at the alter of the human image in the Middle East. I have been on a long journey through life to undersatnd these things.
There is a fair amount of controversy among Indians about sharing their heritage with whites to whom it may be just the latest new age fad. I met another artist at an art fair last fall who had been through quite a physical ordeal and he felt that his life had been saved by this horse that came along. After some years the horse died, which was quite a loss for him. He was acquainted with some Lakota Sioux, and to honor his horse they took some of it's hide and made a drum. then they took his heart and reduced it to ashes, which were stuffed into the end of the drumstick, so that beating the drum was symbolically the heartbeat of the horse. That sort of thing makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. That is respecting and validating the life of an animal. That is the sort of relationship that indians have who follow theri ancient beliefs. And this artist was the sort of person who totally understood the significance of what the Indians did for him.
I don't know anything about Victoria Beckham and nothing has happened to make me wish to know more about her. Last time I looked this wasn't a Victoria Beckham fansite, and if it were I wouldn't likely be here. I was not one of those who were bombarding Brian with the pictures of she and others with dyed foxtail-like appendages dangling from these bags. I don't care if she wanted to pin one on her ass, for that matter. I have a fleece duster that looks a great deal like the "tails" except it has a stick through it, and I thought the multicolored "tails" were most likely fleece.
There is a fair amount of controversy among Indians about sharing their heritage with whites to whom it may be just the latest new age fad. I met another artist at an art fair last fall who had been through quite a physical ordeal and he felt that his life had been saved by this horse that came along. After some years the horse died, which was quite a loss for him. He was acquainted with some Lakota Sioux, and to honor his horse they took some of it's hide and made a drum. then they took his heart and reduced it to ashes, which were stuffed into the end of the drumstick, so that beating the drum was symbolically the heartbeat of the horse. That sort of thing makes the hair stand up on the back of my neck. That is respecting and validating the life of an animal. That is the sort of relationship that indians have who follow theri ancient beliefs. And this artist was the sort of person who totally understood the significance of what the Indians did for him.
I don't know anything about Victoria Beckham and nothing has happened to make me wish to know more about her. Last time I looked this wasn't a Victoria Beckham fansite, and if it were I wouldn't likely be here. I was not one of those who were bombarding Brian with the pictures of she and others with dyed foxtail-like appendages dangling from these bags. I don't care if she wanted to pin one on her ass, for that matter. I have a fleece duster that looks a great deal like the "tails" except it has a stick through it, and I thought the multicolored "tails" were most likely fleece.
cacatua
Perhaps I am still being uncharitable to Victoria Beckham. She might be an absolutley lovely woman............
Here is a picture of the artist and his horse, who became the heartbeat of a drum.
Here is a picture of the artist and his horse, who became the heartbeat of a drum.
GratefulFan
On point, some thoughts from a SaveMe person:
Confronted an elderley lady in RSPCA charity shop, wearing would you believe one of our friends around her neck....gave her verbal abuse & was tempted to strangle her with it.... F*****g liberty in such a place, she was shocked @ my response I can tell you but she is just asking for trouble, and boy did she get it!!!
She had 2 or 3 cheerleaders from the 9th circle follow with support. Now I'm sure this person genuinely loves foxes, but I simply can't imagine being so flush with self righteousness and self certainty that I'd verbally abuse an old woman over wearing fur I knew nothing about.
Sometimes change just doesn't come fast enough by committee, and radical thought and action is required. Somebody sits at the front of the bus, somebody else starts a war etc. But this is so not that. Small, ugly, largely substanceless garbage is being flung out into the void ostensibly to prevent a political move (a democratic and free vote!) for which the odds have seemed increasingly slim for weeks now. The damage to civility and empathy for others isn't worth it. It just isn't. And god help the thousands of young people on there who are learning that this is how one deals with competing ideas and the people that have them.
Holly2003
cacatua wrote: Perhaps I am still being uncharitable to Victoria Beckham. She might be an absolutley lovely woman............
Here is a picture of the artist and his horse, who became the heartbeat of a drum.
That dog should have a seatbelt on ;)
Have you read any serious history books about the "ecological" Indian? Much of that was a myth created in the Sixties and fed by frauds like Carlos Castaneda. From what I've read, the reason native amerians didn't cause serious, lasting ecological damage* is because they didn't have the technology to do so.
*And even that depends on time periods: there is strong reason to believe that in pre-history, "native Americans" over-hunted and wiped out the North America mammoth (or mastadon? I always get them confused). In Canada, in the 16-19th centuries, natives were more than happy to participate with Euro-Americans in hunting the beaver almost to extinction (although a strong case can be made that this was prompted by changes in their social environment caused by Europeans).
Here is a picture of the artist and his horse, who became the heartbeat of a drum.
That dog should have a seatbelt on ;)
Have you read any serious history books about the "ecological" Indian? Much of that was a myth created in the Sixties and fed by frauds like Carlos Castaneda. From what I've read, the reason native amerians didn't cause serious, lasting ecological damage* is because they didn't have the technology to do so.
*And even that depends on time periods: there is strong reason to believe that in pre-history, "native Americans" over-hunted and wiped out the North America mammoth (or mastadon? I always get them confused). In Canada, in the 16-19th centuries, natives were more than happy to participate with Euro-Americans in hunting the beaver almost to extinction (although a strong case can be made that this was prompted by changes in their social environment caused by Europeans).
cacatua
GratefulFan wrote: On point, some thoughts from a SaveMe person:
Confronted an elderley lady in RSPCA charity shop, wearing would you believe one of our friends around her neck....gave her verbal abuse & was tempted to strangle her with it.... F*****g liberty in such a place, she was shocked @ my response I can tell you but she is just asking for trouble, and boy did she get it!!!
She had 2 or 3 cheerleaders from the 9th circle follow with support. Now I'm sure this person genuinely loves foxes, but I simply can't imagine being so flush with self righteousness and self certainty that I'd verbally abuse an old woman over wearing fur I knew nothing about.
Sometimes change just doesn't come fast enough by committee, and radical thought and action is required. Somebody sits at the front of the bus, somebody else starts a war etc. But this is so not that. Small, ugly, largely substanceless garbage is being flung out into the void ostensibly to prevent a political move (a democratic and free vote!) for which the odds have seemed increasingly slim for weeks now. The damage to civility and empathy for others isn't worth it. It just isn't. And god help the thousands of young people on there who are learning that this is how one deals with competing ideas and the people that have them.
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Was it Brian? Do you think I would do such a thing? There is plenty of disgusting stuff coming from the other side too. Trolls bring out the worst in everyone, though occasionally remarks are hilarious too, just as they are here when there is a feeding frenzy on some absurd thread. But these emotional things bring out the worst in some, as you mentioned.
Confronted an elderley lady in RSPCA charity shop, wearing would you believe one of our friends around her neck....gave her verbal abuse & was tempted to strangle her with it.... F*****g liberty in such a place, she was shocked @ my response I can tell you but she is just asking for trouble, and boy did she get it!!!
She had 2 or 3 cheerleaders from the 9th circle follow with support. Now I'm sure this person genuinely loves foxes, but I simply can't imagine being so flush with self righteousness and self certainty that I'd verbally abuse an old woman over wearing fur I knew nothing about.
Sometimes change just doesn't come fast enough by committee, and radical thought and action is required. Somebody sits at the front of the bus, somebody else starts a war etc. But this is so not that. Small, ugly, largely substanceless garbage is being flung out into the void ostensibly to prevent a political move (a democratic and free vote!) for which the odds have seemed increasingly slim for weeks now. The damage to civility and empathy for others isn't worth it. It just isn't. And god help the thousands of young people on there who are learning that this is how one deals with competing ideas and the people that have them.
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Was it Brian? Do you think I would do such a thing? There is plenty of disgusting stuff coming from the other side too. Trolls bring out the worst in everyone, though occasionally remarks are hilarious too, just as they are here when there is a feeding frenzy on some absurd thread. But these emotional things bring out the worst in some, as you mentioned.
cacatua
Holly2003 wrote: cacatua wrote: Perhaps I am still being uncharitable to Victoria Beckham. She might be an absolutley lovely woman............
Here is a picture of the artist and his horse, who became the heartbeat of a drum.
That dog should have a seatbelt on ;)
Have you read any serious history books about the "ecological" Indian? Much of that was a myth created in the Sixties and fed by frauds like Carlos Castaneda. From what I've read, the reason native amerians didn't cause serious, lasting ecological damage* is because they didn't have the technology to do so.
*And even that depends on time periods: there is strong reason to believe that in pre-history, "native Americans" over-hunted and wiped out the North America mammoth (or mastadon? I always get them confused). In Canada, in the 16-19th centuries, natives were more than happy to participate with Euro-Americans in hunting the beaver almost to extinction (although a strong case can be made that this was prompted by changes in their social environment caused by Europeans).
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They also raided each other's tribes and stole their horses and killed each other, like tribal people most everywhere. If they were capable of actually wiping out the rather huge and impressive mastodons, then I AM impressed!
Every history or biography is filtered through someone's viewpoint, and generally there is room for interpretation, or as TE Lawrence said, "Those who win the wars get to write the history," or something to that effect.
Whether they would have caused serious ecological damage had they the means to do it is possible, after all they were humans, but they pretty much lived by the laws of nature if they were the nomadic hunter-gatherers. Certainly those who farmed eventually moved on or whole cultures even became extinct when the ground was depleted.
Mostly they were just tribal people trying to get along in an often hostile world and trying to understand their relationship to it, and this was when Western civilization descended upon them. Where would they have been by now if the americas had not been taken over by European invaders? Damned if I know.
Here is a picture of the artist and his horse, who became the heartbeat of a drum.
That dog should have a seatbelt on ;)
Have you read any serious history books about the "ecological" Indian? Much of that was a myth created in the Sixties and fed by frauds like Carlos Castaneda. From what I've read, the reason native amerians didn't cause serious, lasting ecological damage* is because they didn't have the technology to do so.
*And even that depends on time periods: there is strong reason to believe that in pre-history, "native Americans" over-hunted and wiped out the North America mammoth (or mastadon? I always get them confused). In Canada, in the 16-19th centuries, natives were more than happy to participate with Euro-Americans in hunting the beaver almost to extinction (although a strong case can be made that this was prompted by changes in their social environment caused by Europeans).
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They also raided each other's tribes and stole their horses and killed each other, like tribal people most everywhere. If they were capable of actually wiping out the rather huge and impressive mastodons, then I AM impressed!
Every history or biography is filtered through someone's viewpoint, and generally there is room for interpretation, or as TE Lawrence said, "Those who win the wars get to write the history," or something to that effect.
Whether they would have caused serious ecological damage had they the means to do it is possible, after all they were humans, but they pretty much lived by the laws of nature if they were the nomadic hunter-gatherers. Certainly those who farmed eventually moved on or whole cultures even became extinct when the ground was depleted.
Mostly they were just tribal people trying to get along in an often hostile world and trying to understand their relationship to it, and this was when Western civilization descended upon them. Where would they have been by now if the americas had not been taken over by European invaders? Damned if I know.
cacatua
GratefulFan wrote: On point, some thoughts from a SaveMe person:
Confronted an elderley lady in RSPCA charity shop, wearing would you believe one of our friends around her neck....gave her verbal abuse & was tempted to strangle her with it.... F*****g liberty in such a place, she was shocked @ my response I can tell you but she is just asking for trouble, and boy did she get it!!!
She had 2 or 3 cheerleaders from the 9th circle follow with support. Now I'm sure this person genuinely loves foxes, but I simply can't imagine being so flush with self righteousness and self certainty that I'd verbally abuse an old woman over wearing fur I knew nothing about.
Sometimes change just doesn't come fast enough by committee, and radical thought and action is required. Somebody sits at the front of the bus, somebody else starts a war etc. But this is so not that. Small, ugly, largely substanceless garbage is being flung out into the void ostensibly to prevent a political move (a democratic and free vote!) for which the odds have seemed increasingly slim for weeks now. The damage to civility and empathy for others isn't worth it. It just isn't. And god help the thousands of young people on there who are learning that this is how one deals with competing ideas and the people that have them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Well I hope you are happy. I got into a big row today with some militant extremists who got bent out of shape over people posting videos of Queen songs on Brian's wall. They don't seem to think the rest of us appreciate the animal rights issues properly.
Confronted an elderley lady in RSPCA charity shop, wearing would you believe one of our friends around her neck....gave her verbal abuse & was tempted to strangle her with it.... F*****g liberty in such a place, she was shocked @ my response I can tell you but she is just asking for trouble, and boy did she get it!!!
She had 2 or 3 cheerleaders from the 9th circle follow with support. Now I'm sure this person genuinely loves foxes, but I simply can't imagine being so flush with self righteousness and self certainty that I'd verbally abuse an old woman over wearing fur I knew nothing about.
Sometimes change just doesn't come fast enough by committee, and radical thought and action is required. Somebody sits at the front of the bus, somebody else starts a war etc. But this is so not that. Small, ugly, largely substanceless garbage is being flung out into the void ostensibly to prevent a political move (a democratic and free vote!) for which the odds have seemed increasingly slim for weeks now. The damage to civility and empathy for others isn't worth it. It just isn't. And god help the thousands of young people on there who are learning that this is how one deals with competing ideas and the people that have them.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Well I hope you are happy. I got into a big row today with some militant extremists who got bent out of shape over people posting videos of Queen songs on Brian's wall. They don't seem to think the rest of us appreciate the animal rights issues properly.
GratefulFan
cacatua wrote:
Well I hope you are happy. I got into a big row today with some militant extremists who got bent out of shape over people posting videos of Queen songs on Brian's wall. They don't seem to think the rest of us appreciate the animal rights issues properly.
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Dug back to see what you were talking about. That was brutal! LOL Hopefully you're alright today. Knowing you a little, I'm sure you will be. Okay, SaveMe now has another problem which I've noted brewing for a bit. When you hear this problem, I know you will laugh and immediately know I'm telling the truth. The problem is a grave one, and it's this: Too many women are in one place at one time. Lots of love and hugs and sisterhood with 17 people there ready to say good morning to whoever, everything pink and sweet and shimmering and bedazzled, groaning restlessly over a roiling molten hell that is waiting to break loose at any moment. And when it does, everybody dives in, lifetime allegiances are formed, the poop flies everywhere, a couple of men step in and try to calm people down, largely unsuccessfully, at which point they throw up their hands and say 'f*ck this shit' and go do something sensible like drink beer or hammer on something, God love 'em. :)
Joking aside, the person that started with you is a bit of cancer I hope your community gets rid of, and fast. Not only is she totally disruptive, she violated one of my highest moral urgencies aka 'The Sanctity of the PM'. I don't care who PMs me. I don't even care if it's skip and he gives me three weeks of free material. PMs should never be posted or discussed publically, particularly when the rat posting them is trying to use them like weapons grade plutonium. Yuck. I hereby committ to a lifetime of hating her in your name. ;)
Anyway, glad you survived.
Well I hope you are happy. I got into a big row today with some militant extremists who got bent out of shape over people posting videos of Queen songs on Brian's wall. They don't seem to think the rest of us appreciate the animal rights issues properly.
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Dug back to see what you were talking about. That was brutal! LOL Hopefully you're alright today. Knowing you a little, I'm sure you will be. Okay, SaveMe now has another problem which I've noted brewing for a bit. When you hear this problem, I know you will laugh and immediately know I'm telling the truth. The problem is a grave one, and it's this: Too many women are in one place at one time. Lots of love and hugs and sisterhood with 17 people there ready to say good morning to whoever, everything pink and sweet and shimmering and bedazzled, groaning restlessly over a roiling molten hell that is waiting to break loose at any moment. And when it does, everybody dives in, lifetime allegiances are formed, the poop flies everywhere, a couple of men step in and try to calm people down, largely unsuccessfully, at which point they throw up their hands and say 'f*ck this shit' and go do something sensible like drink beer or hammer on something, God love 'em. :)
Joking aside, the person that started with you is a bit of cancer I hope your community gets rid of, and fast. Not only is she totally disruptive, she violated one of my highest moral urgencies aka 'The Sanctity of the PM'. I don't care who PMs me. I don't even care if it's skip and he gives me three weeks of free material. PMs should never be posted or discussed publically, particularly when the rat posting them is trying to use them like weapons grade plutonium. Yuck. I hereby committ to a lifetime of hating her in your name. ;)
Anyway, glad you survived.
GratefulFan
And it was definitely the mammoth they hunted to death. I know this for sure because I have a pet mastadon. Honestly, you people should have this sort of thing straight.
Holly2003
GratefulFan wrote: And it was definitely the mammoth they hunted to death. I know this for sure because I have a pet mastadon. Honestly, you people should have this sort of thing straight.
Ha!
Ha!
cacatua
GratefulFan wrote: cacatua wrote:
Well I hope you are happy. I got into a big row today with some militant extremists who got bent out of shape over people posting videos of Queen songs on Brian's wall. They don't seem to think the rest of us appreciate the animal rights issues properly.
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Dug back to see what you were talking about. That was brutal! LOL Hopefully you're alright today. Knowing you a little, I'm sure you will be. Okay, SaveMe now has another problem which I've noted brewing for a bit. When you hear this problem, I know you will laugh and immediately know I'm telling the truth. The problem is a grave one, and it's this: Too many women are in one place at one time. Lots of love and hugs and sisterhood with 17 people there ready to say good morning to whoever, everything pink and sweet and shimmering and bedazzled, groaning restlessly over a roiling molten hell that is waiting to break loose at any moment. And when it does, everybody dives in, lifetime allegiances are formed, the poop flies everywhere, a couple of men step in and try to calm people down, largely unsuccessfully, at which point they throw up their hands and say 'f*ck this shit' and go do something sensible like drink beer or hammer on something, God love 'em. :)
Joking aside, the person that started with you is a bit of cancer I hope your community gets rid of, and fast. Not only is she totally disruptive, she violated one of my highest moral urgencies aka 'The Sanctity of the PM'. I don't care who PMs me. I don't even care if it's skip and he gives me three weeks of free material. PMs should never be posted or discussed publically, particularly when the rat posting them is trying to use them like weapons grade plutonium. Yuck. I hereby committ to a lifetime of hating her in your name. ;)
Anyway, glad you survived.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Yes I survived but the bloom is off the rose unless these whackos leave. But the ONE, and if you went back through it then you know WHICH ONE, wielded the sacred PM like some sort of a battleaxe. I found it enlightening that she said they all belonged to this other, bigger and supposedly more impressive group where everyone agreed with their viewpoint. So why are they in Brian's group stinking up things? Why don't they leave us to our more easy-going ways? Because they are troublemakers, is why. I wonder if in reality they got run off from another group? I think one of the guys suggested it was hard to tell if some people were trolls or anti's, and I remember wondering that a time or two in the past when reading some posts.
I sat on my hands for a long time, and now I guess as far as I am concerned they don't exist. I wonder how long that will last. I can live with the lovey-dovey stuff easier. There are a couple of people there who are a real hoot. After the main part of the battle the troublemakers put up a spate of mangled animal pictures and we posted Queen songs with appropriate titles, like I'm Going Slightly Mad................... :oD
Well I hope you are happy. I got into a big row today with some militant extremists who got bent out of shape over people posting videos of Queen songs on Brian's wall. They don't seem to think the rest of us appreciate the animal rights issues properly.
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Dug back to see what you were talking about. That was brutal! LOL Hopefully you're alright today. Knowing you a little, I'm sure you will be. Okay, SaveMe now has another problem which I've noted brewing for a bit. When you hear this problem, I know you will laugh and immediately know I'm telling the truth. The problem is a grave one, and it's this: Too many women are in one place at one time. Lots of love and hugs and sisterhood with 17 people there ready to say good morning to whoever, everything pink and sweet and shimmering and bedazzled, groaning restlessly over a roiling molten hell that is waiting to break loose at any moment. And when it does, everybody dives in, lifetime allegiances are formed, the poop flies everywhere, a couple of men step in and try to calm people down, largely unsuccessfully, at which point they throw up their hands and say 'f*ck this shit' and go do something sensible like drink beer or hammer on something, God love 'em. :)
Joking aside, the person that started with you is a bit of cancer I hope your community gets rid of, and fast. Not only is she totally disruptive, she violated one of my highest moral urgencies aka 'The Sanctity of the PM'. I don't care who PMs me. I don't even care if it's skip and he gives me three weeks of free material. PMs should never be posted or discussed publically, particularly when the rat posting them is trying to use them like weapons grade plutonium. Yuck. I hereby committ to a lifetime of hating her in your name. ;)
Anyway, glad you survived.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Yes I survived but the bloom is off the rose unless these whackos leave. But the ONE, and if you went back through it then you know WHICH ONE, wielded the sacred PM like some sort of a battleaxe. I found it enlightening that she said they all belonged to this other, bigger and supposedly more impressive group where everyone agreed with their viewpoint. So why are they in Brian's group stinking up things? Why don't they leave us to our more easy-going ways? Because they are troublemakers, is why. I wonder if in reality they got run off from another group? I think one of the guys suggested it was hard to tell if some people were trolls or anti's, and I remember wondering that a time or two in the past when reading some posts.
I sat on my hands for a long time, and now I guess as far as I am concerned they don't exist. I wonder how long that will last. I can live with the lovey-dovey stuff easier. There are a couple of people there who are a real hoot. After the main part of the battle the troublemakers put up a spate of mangled animal pictures and we posted Queen songs with appropriate titles, like I'm Going Slightly Mad................... :oD
GratefulFan
I saw something on SaveMe that disturbed me the other day, and for once it wasn't one of the people on there. It was this crazy picture of a grinning woman with a big rifle and her trophy dead giraffe. I know that I perhaps should have known this already, but apparently it's common as dirt for people to pay tens of thouands of dollars to go to Africa and kill five or ten exotic animals and then be photographed with their kill, their rifles leaning up against the animals' weirdly posed dead carcasses.
Just one man's story: http://www.azod.com/hunting/Archive/2005/Q1/Safari/default.htm
Not a pretty or particularly comprehensible side of human nature IMO.
cacatua
GratefulFan wrote: I saw something on SaveMe that disturbed me the other day, and for once it wasn't one of the people on there. It was this crazy picture of a grinning woman with a big rifle and her trophy dead giraffe. I know that I perhaps should have known this already, but apparently it's common as dirt for people to pay tens of thouands of dollars to go to Africa and kill five or ten exotic animals and then be photographed with their kill, their rifles leaning up against the animals' weirdly posed dead carcasses.
Just one man's story: http://www.azod.com/hunting/Archive/2005/Q1/Safari/default.htm
Not a pretty or particularly comprehensible side of human nature IMO.
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It is all pretty repulsive this day and age, when many of these animals have to be protected somewhere in order for someone to then go and shoot them. Not a bad death if it is a clean kill I suppose, compared to some. I fail to see why anyone would want to shoot a giraffe. To see that long neck curved gracefully in an arc with it's nose resting on the ground, and then remind myself that it is dead is kind of surreal.
Really first-class petting zoos were having baby giraffes here several years ago, and I always wondered what happened to them when they got really big. Never got around to asking someone though. Dealing with a camel was "interesting" enough for me. In the Middle East they have camel dairy's, which seems like a lot of animal for the amount of milk produced, though that is one of their various uses for the Bedouin. They also roast and eat them. I can't imagine killing a camel to eat it or otherwise, unless it was a crazed bull was coming after me. The Bedouin didn't have much use for bull camels in the old days, and a bull calf became dinner, so they could have all of it's mother's milk. Bulls were too noisey for raiding partys. They were used some for hauling baggage, but would just sit down if they didn't want to do something. A really big Bedouin shindig called for a roasted camel, stuffed with a sheep, stuffed with chickens, stuffed with hard-boiled eggs. My mind boggles at the task of doing that one! Sorry, a trip down memory lane there.
Brian sounded a little down last night, so someone started a discussion topic that he should take the weekend off from Save Me and recharge.
Just one man's story: http://www.azod.com/hunting/Archive/2005/Q1/Safari/default.htm
Not a pretty or particularly comprehensible side of human nature IMO.
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It is all pretty repulsive this day and age, when many of these animals have to be protected somewhere in order for someone to then go and shoot them. Not a bad death if it is a clean kill I suppose, compared to some. I fail to see why anyone would want to shoot a giraffe. To see that long neck curved gracefully in an arc with it's nose resting on the ground, and then remind myself that it is dead is kind of surreal.
Really first-class petting zoos were having baby giraffes here several years ago, and I always wondered what happened to them when they got really big. Never got around to asking someone though. Dealing with a camel was "interesting" enough for me. In the Middle East they have camel dairy's, which seems like a lot of animal for the amount of milk produced, though that is one of their various uses for the Bedouin. They also roast and eat them. I can't imagine killing a camel to eat it or otherwise, unless it was a crazed bull was coming after me. The Bedouin didn't have much use for bull camels in the old days, and a bull calf became dinner, so they could have all of it's mother's milk. Bulls were too noisey for raiding partys. They were used some for hauling baggage, but would just sit down if they didn't want to do something. A really big Bedouin shindig called for a roasted camel, stuffed with a sheep, stuffed with chickens, stuffed with hard-boiled eggs. My mind boggles at the task of doing that one! Sorry, a trip down memory lane there.
Brian sounded a little down last night, so someone started a discussion topic that he should take the weekend off from Save Me and recharge.