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Togg
jesus... all that crap again
rocknrolllover
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[b]Togg wrote: [/b] jesus... all that crap again[/QUOTE]
Jesus don't live here anymore
[b]Togg wrote: [/b] jesus... all that crap again[/QUOTE]
Jesus don't live here anymore
Haystacks Calhoun II
Nobody fucks with the Jesus.
Sebastian
It's a great song, though.
rocknrolllover
JSS has nothing in his collection, except for a pair of false teeth.
Nitroboy
[QUOTE] [b]Haystacks Calhoun II wrote:[/b]
Nobody fucks with the Jesus.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
It's a great song, though.[/QUOTE]
A great bowling player too
Nobody fucks with the Jesus.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] [b]Sebastian wrote:[/b]
It's a great song, though.[/QUOTE]
A great bowling player too
brians wig
[QUOTE] [b]rocknrolllover wrote:[/b]
JSS is a jackass[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i agree.
JSS is a Jackass, sure he is.
A complete and utter douchebag.
Of course. He's a Jackass who had loads of things in his collection which were shared with David Fuller and who, as you may recall, broke a trust and SOLD them to other fans.
No doubt you find favour with Fuller and his reprehensible actions for bringing those gems into the public domain, regardless of how he did it.
Now who's a Jackass, Jackass?!
JSS is a jackass[/QUOTE]
Yeah, i agree.
JSS is a Jackass, sure he is.
A complete and utter douchebag.
Of course. He's a Jackass who had loads of things in his collection which were shared with David Fuller and who, as you may recall, broke a trust and SOLD them to other fans.
No doubt you find favour with Fuller and his reprehensible actions for bringing those gems into the public domain, regardless of how he did it.
Now who's a Jackass, Jackass?!
Negative Creep
Battler
Frankly, enough is enough. I made some shitty posts in here recently and I apologize for that. Time to be serious this once.
First, I agree Fuller should not have *SOLD* the material to the public. However, I am on the edge as regards the trust breaking itself. The fact is, Fanthology were hoarding material, teasing people, and released scarce spoils to the fans when they saw fit. Fuller felt that was not enough and more had to be released. And while I agree breaking trust is a bad thing, frankly it could have been avoided.
Second, I think both John and Greg screwed up. John needs to get over his past grudge, especially since it's over Greg getting something lost *UNINTENTIONALLY*. Had Greg done an intentionally bad things, I could understand all this "I won't trust him ever again". But when all that happened was an unintentional mishap and yet this is somehow enough to compare Greg with someone who harmed a child, it makes the reaction way over the top.
And Greg seriously needs to calm down and stop getting upset over this kind of things. While I can understand where his frustration comes from, by expressing it in the way he is, he's only making things worse and harder for people to be on his side.
I would invite both sides to settle the matter in private and politely rather than by publicly filling each other with mud.
I just wonder one thing about the collectors - why are you letting on on how much you have? If you just said nothing about how much you have and just occasionally released something, noone would be demanding anything, as they wouldn't even know you have anything more. Everyone would win this way.
When you decide to tell everyone how much you have, it's obvious people are going to demand the whole lot in an acceptable amount of time. It's pretty simple - actions, even words, have consequences. The art is to predict them and set things up in a way that minimizes negative consequences.
Of course, the fans need to be more patient, more tolerant and more modest as well. The attitude shown by fans here on this forum is often quite inappropriate - very rude, condescending, and unsatisfied. This should stop. Yes, QPL sometimes delivers releases that leave a lot to be desired, and sometimes collectors don't release all of their material instantly. You won't change that by childishly complaining.
In the end, people should remember the virtues.
The takers should first of all remember modesty. Greed just never has good results. And as the old Slovenian saying goes, whoever is not satisfied with little, is not going to be satisfied with a lot either.
Something that I think has shown quite well with the '70's releases - first people demanded them and said they would be fine with any, of any kind, but then when they happened, suddenly those same people became very picky about the smallest thing. Mind you, I'm not saying the releases are perfect, but come on, something is better than nothing.
The givers should remember altruism. You should give for the pleasure of giving and consider any personal benefit as a reward for your act of giving rather than as a right you are entitled to and that you will not give unless it is guaranteed.
I myself do a lot of things - I develop an old PC emulator, often spending entire sleepless nights fixing one bug, I contribute rare old software to a forum's FTP server, sometimes even paying for it. That's just to name two things. And I never expect anything in return, and mostly I just get a few thanks. But those few thanks are the most important to me, much more important than any praise, money or other benefit. To me, the most important thing is to make people happy, and so it should be to you as well.
And in the end, both sides should consider love and tolerance. I see both sides here being incredibly full of hatred and intolerance, and this often makes things worse than they should be. And this should not be the case.
I apologize for the wall of text but I really had to say this. I harbor no bad feelings to either side and sincerely hope these issues can get resolved.
First, I agree Fuller should not have *SOLD* the material to the public. However, I am on the edge as regards the trust breaking itself. The fact is, Fanthology were hoarding material, teasing people, and released scarce spoils to the fans when they saw fit. Fuller felt that was not enough and more had to be released. And while I agree breaking trust is a bad thing, frankly it could have been avoided.
Second, I think both John and Greg screwed up. John needs to get over his past grudge, especially since it's over Greg getting something lost *UNINTENTIONALLY*. Had Greg done an intentionally bad things, I could understand all this "I won't trust him ever again". But when all that happened was an unintentional mishap and yet this is somehow enough to compare Greg with someone who harmed a child, it makes the reaction way over the top.
And Greg seriously needs to calm down and stop getting upset over this kind of things. While I can understand where his frustration comes from, by expressing it in the way he is, he's only making things worse and harder for people to be on his side.
I would invite both sides to settle the matter in private and politely rather than by publicly filling each other with mud.
I just wonder one thing about the collectors - why are you letting on on how much you have? If you just said nothing about how much you have and just occasionally released something, noone would be demanding anything, as they wouldn't even know you have anything more. Everyone would win this way.
When you decide to tell everyone how much you have, it's obvious people are going to demand the whole lot in an acceptable amount of time. It's pretty simple - actions, even words, have consequences. The art is to predict them and set things up in a way that minimizes negative consequences.
Of course, the fans need to be more patient, more tolerant and more modest as well. The attitude shown by fans here on this forum is often quite inappropriate - very rude, condescending, and unsatisfied. This should stop. Yes, QPL sometimes delivers releases that leave a lot to be desired, and sometimes collectors don't release all of their material instantly. You won't change that by childishly complaining.
In the end, people should remember the virtues.
The takers should first of all remember modesty. Greed just never has good results. And as the old Slovenian saying goes, whoever is not satisfied with little, is not going to be satisfied with a lot either.
Something that I think has shown quite well with the '70's releases - first people demanded them and said they would be fine with any, of any kind, but then when they happened, suddenly those same people became very picky about the smallest thing. Mind you, I'm not saying the releases are perfect, but come on, something is better than nothing.
The givers should remember altruism. You should give for the pleasure of giving and consider any personal benefit as a reward for your act of giving rather than as a right you are entitled to and that you will not give unless it is guaranteed.
I myself do a lot of things - I develop an old PC emulator, often spending entire sleepless nights fixing one bug, I contribute rare old software to a forum's FTP server, sometimes even paying for it. That's just to name two things. And I never expect anything in return, and mostly I just get a few thanks. But those few thanks are the most important to me, much more important than any praise, money or other benefit. To me, the most important thing is to make people happy, and so it should be to you as well.
And in the end, both sides should consider love and tolerance. I see both sides here being incredibly full of hatred and intolerance, and this often makes things worse than they should be. And this should not be the case.
I apologize for the wall of text but I really had to say this. I harbor no bad feelings to either side and sincerely hope these issues can get resolved.
matt z
SHIT.
And here i was thinking this was a new topic.
It's obvious that JSS is in the respectable position of apprehension. Whether or NOT the circumstances regarding the loss were intentional; It's obvious that MORE CARE WOULD BE GIVEN TO A REPUTABLE COMPANY AND COURIER TO HANDLE THE CONTENT WITH AN INSURED POLICY (*if it were handled by QUEEN - the entity - directly)
what were the nasty nay sayers smoking?
Talk about trolling. There's just no BRAINS in handling this ANY other way.
Jesus!
And here i was thinking this was a new topic.
It's obvious that JSS is in the respectable position of apprehension. Whether or NOT the circumstances regarding the loss were intentional; It's obvious that MORE CARE WOULD BE GIVEN TO A REPUTABLE COMPANY AND COURIER TO HANDLE THE CONTENT WITH AN INSURED POLICY (*if it were handled by QUEEN - the entity - directly)
what were the nasty nay sayers smoking?
Talk about trolling. There's just no BRAINS in handling this ANY other way.
Jesus!
brians wig
[QUOTE] [b]Battler wrote:[/b]
The fact is, Fanthology were hoarding material, teasing people, and released scarce spoils to the fans when they saw fit. Fuller felt that was not enough and more had to be released. And while I agree breaking trust is a bad thing, frankly it could have been avoided.
[/QUOTE]
It's a shame you feel that way.
Fanthology had hardly begun and rather than hoarding material (much of which had been acquired by paying thousands at auction for acetates etc), it was being collated, cleaned up, videos created for some songs (which was the reason Fuller was even invited) - all with the intention of creating as complete an archive as possible, in the best quality possible before releasing it.
More importantly, it was breaking down barriers between the collectors involved, who were gaining trust and slowly starting to share their own rarities.
Fuller couldn't wait though and saw an opportunity to release a few things, gain some glory AND some money by selling copies of recordings some people had paid an awful lot of money to acquire LEGALLY.
Ultimately what Fuller and his greed did was destroy that trust and destroy what had the potential to be the biggest archive project outside of QPL.
Trades with collectors outside of Fanthology ended abruptly because Fuller leaked the material and those items STILL reside in private collections to this day.
John Stuart doesn't even come on QZ anymore and whatever else he has in his personal archive which didn't get shared with the Fanthology group never will be. Same with the other members who still had rare recordings.
THAT'S Fuller's legacy to Queen fans.
He fucked it up for EVERYONE, YOU included, so get off your high horse and just think about what COULD have been out there now had "Fanthology" still been running today.
The fact is, Fanthology were hoarding material, teasing people, and released scarce spoils to the fans when they saw fit. Fuller felt that was not enough and more had to be released. And while I agree breaking trust is a bad thing, frankly it could have been avoided.
[/QUOTE]
It's a shame you feel that way.
Fanthology had hardly begun and rather than hoarding material (much of which had been acquired by paying thousands at auction for acetates etc), it was being collated, cleaned up, videos created for some songs (which was the reason Fuller was even invited) - all with the intention of creating as complete an archive as possible, in the best quality possible before releasing it.
More importantly, it was breaking down barriers between the collectors involved, who were gaining trust and slowly starting to share their own rarities.
Fuller couldn't wait though and saw an opportunity to release a few things, gain some glory AND some money by selling copies of recordings some people had paid an awful lot of money to acquire LEGALLY.
Ultimately what Fuller and his greed did was destroy that trust and destroy what had the potential to be the biggest archive project outside of QPL.
Trades with collectors outside of Fanthology ended abruptly because Fuller leaked the material and those items STILL reside in private collections to this day.
John Stuart doesn't even come on QZ anymore and whatever else he has in his personal archive which didn't get shared with the Fanthology group never will be. Same with the other members who still had rare recordings.
THAT'S Fuller's legacy to Queen fans.
He fucked it up for EVERYONE, YOU included, so get off your high horse and just think about what COULD have been out there now had "Fanthology" still been running today.
bucsateflon
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
In point of fact the recording was salvaged (with the full permission and approval of the Corporation) by an engineer - who later contacted me - and whom I bought this tape from. .[/QUOTE]
Why he would contact you, who are you?
anyway if this story is not a lie(unlikely) the "engineer" is the one to blame for all this shit
In point of fact the recording was salvaged (with the full permission and approval of the Corporation) by an engineer - who later contacted me - and whom I bought this tape from. .[/QUOTE]
Why he would contact you, who are you?
anyway if this story is not a lie(unlikely) the "engineer" is the one to blame for all this shit
matt z
[QUOTE] [b]bucsateflon wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
In point of fact the recording was salvaged (with the full permission and approval of the Corporation) by an engineer - who later contacted me - and whom I bought this tape from. .[/QUOTE]
Why he would contact you, who are you?
anyway if this story is not a lie(unlikely) the "engineer" is the one to blame for all this shit[/QUOTE]
If it was saved from IMMINENT destruction, how is that blame worthy of someone to have acquired it for personal/posterity?
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
In point of fact the recording was salvaged (with the full permission and approval of the Corporation) by an engineer - who later contacted me - and whom I bought this tape from. .[/QUOTE]
Why he would contact you, who are you?
anyway if this story is not a lie(unlikely) the "engineer" is the one to blame for all this shit[/QUOTE]
If it was saved from IMMINENT destruction, how is that blame worthy of someone to have acquired it for personal/posterity?
brENsKi
[QUOTE] [b]bucsateflon wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
In point of fact the recording was salvaged (with the full permission and approval of the Corporation) by an engineer - who later contacted me - and whom I bought this tape from. .[/QUOTE]
Why he would contact you, who are you?
anyway if this story is not a lie(unlikely) the "engineer" is the one to blame for all this shit[/QUOTE]
No. No. No. YOU still don't get it.
the Engineer is NOT to blame. Only people to blame are Queen. They deemed it "rubbish" and threw it out. If they threw it out then it was NO LONGER theirs.
think about it, you throw your refuse in a bin, and once you've thrown it out it's gone. Queen were irresponsible and threw away something - not giving a fuck for whether or not they had a master copy.
Ultimately, this item would've ended up in public waste - that was Queen's intention. therefore that someone rescued it is NOT queen's business - THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
what the engineer did is no different than YOUR finding something in a skip - taking it home and selling it. you haven't broken any law.
If you find a picasso in a dumpster - it's yours. if someone threw it away then they didn't want it.
[QUOTE] [b]John S Stuart wrote:[/b]
In point of fact the recording was salvaged (with the full permission and approval of the Corporation) by an engineer - who later contacted me - and whom I bought this tape from. .[/QUOTE]
Why he would contact you, who are you?
anyway if this story is not a lie(unlikely) the "engineer" is the one to blame for all this shit[/QUOTE]
No. No. No. YOU still don't get it.
the Engineer is NOT to blame. Only people to blame are Queen. They deemed it "rubbish" and threw it out. If they threw it out then it was NO LONGER theirs.
think about it, you throw your refuse in a bin, and once you've thrown it out it's gone. Queen were irresponsible and threw away something - not giving a fuck for whether or not they had a master copy.
Ultimately, this item would've ended up in public waste - that was Queen's intention. therefore that someone rescued it is NOT queen's business - THEY DIDN'T WANT IT.
what the engineer did is no different than YOUR finding something in a skip - taking it home and selling it. you haven't broken any law.
If you find a picasso in a dumpster - it's yours. if someone threw it away then they didn't want it.