John S. Stuart calling Greg Brooks - Open invitation/request

I'd actually be doubtful if it were Queen's property to start with - they may own the copyright to the material on the disc, but the disc itself was most likely the BBC's to do with as they wished (which in this case was bin it).

What needs to happen is that JSS or GB issue, even if it just 10 seconds, of something remarkable. To keep us all interested OR to make us start giving a shit.

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I'd actually be doubtful if it were Queen's property to start with - they may own the copyright to the material on the disc, but the disc itself was most likely the BBC's to do with as they wished (which in this case was bin it). [/QUOTE]

Queen/QPL wouldn't own any of the copyright to BBC recordings, and of course the BBC would have been the owners of said tape.

However, that story is certainly "interesting" - how does a Queen fan in Scotland find out about said tape being saved by an engineer and why would the BBC support it? I wasn't aware by that point in time that the BBC were still chucking their masters out?

Anyway, it sounds somewhat farfetched! More like a dodgy BBC employee rifled the archives and flogged a few tapes to collectors via auction or record collector or something. Stuff like that does happen - a cleaner once flogged loads of DATs of unedited live recordings on eBay and privately before getting found out and returning the unsold DATs (DATs were used through the 90's and early 00's and replaced reel as master tape format at the BBC).

For who? You mean of some sort of QUEEN recordings?

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[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]

I'd actually be doubtful if it were Queen's property to start with - they may own the copyright to the material on the disc, but the disc itself was most likely the BBC's to do with as they wished (which in this case was bin it). [/QUOTE]

Queen/QPL wouldn't own any of the copyright to BBC recordings, and of course the BBC would have been the owners of said tape.

However, that story is certainly "interesting" - how does a Queen fan in Scotland find out about said tape being saved by an engineer and why would the BBC support it? I wasn't aware by that point in time that the BBC were still chucking their masters out?

Anyway, it sounds somewhat farfetched! More like a dodgy BBC employee rifled the archives and flogged a few tapes to collectors via auction or record collector or something. Stuff like that does happen - a cleaner once flogged loads of DATs of unedited live recordings on eBay and privately before getting found out and returning the unsold DATs (DATs were used through the 90's and early 00's and replaced reel as master tape format at the BBC).

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Not sure if the copyright laws are different in the UK than in the rest of the world but in most cases the BBC wouldn't own the tape anymore, only the sound recording on the tape.

You know that JSS wasn't "a normal fan in Scotland", right?
The BBC doesn't have a problem with fans owning and trading 16mm prints of previously trashed Doctor Who episodes, why would they have a problem with a fan buying / owning a tape which should be destroyed? Also don't expect something like a written permission, more something like "Hey sir, would you mind if I sold the tapes which I was supposed to destroy?" "Sure, whatever, not my problem".

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Not sure if the copyright laws are different in the UK than in the rest of the world but in most cases the BBC wouldn't own the tape anymore, only the sound recording on the tape.

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That has nothing to do with copyright - the tape would be BBC property. I don't believe the BBC were still throwing out radio recordings in 1973, let alone any year after. I believe they started keeping hold of radio material before video.

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You know that JSS wasn't "a normal fan in Scotland", right?
The BBC doesn't have a problem with fans owning and trading 16mm prints of previously trashed Doctor Who episodes, why would they have a problem with a fan buying / owning a tape which should be destroyed? Also don't expect something like a written permission, more something like "Hey sir, would you mind if I sold the tapes which I was supposed to destroy?" "Sure, whatever, not my problem".
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What is he then? Whilst he clearly collects "high end" items, he is just that - a collector. And again, it's unlikely it was thrown out. It's a grey area at best and hard to prove anything, and not something the BBC would ever bother pursuing. And that comparison doesn't hold water anyway - as you are comparing a complete BBC production, to audio material that involves rights/publishing owned by other entities.

Negative Creep, re:

>>And again, it's unlikely it was thrown out.

Not that unlikely - there are scores of examples of this kind of thing happening to bands. From experience, The Who had items like this in skips and studio bins materialise. The bands themselves had little or no idea at the time that material would be so valuable years down the line; as far as they were concerned, it was all just stuff created and quickly moving on to the next agenda item. And an external organisation like the BBC would have even less duty of care towards anything recorded by ANY band.

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[QUOTE] [b]cmsdrums wrote:[/b]

I'd actually be doubtful if it were Queen's property to start with - they may own the copyright to the material on the disc, but the disc itself was most likely the BBC's to do with as they wished (which in this case was bin it). [/QUOTE]

Queen/QPL wouldn't own any of the copyright to BBC recordings, and of course the BBC would have been the owners of said tape.

However, that story is certainly "interesting" - how does a Queen fan in Scotland find out about said tape being saved by an engineer and why would the BBC support it? I wasn't aware by that point in time that the BBC were still chucking their masters out?

Anyway, it sounds somewhat farfetched! More like a dodgy BBC employee rifled the archives and flogged a few tapes to collectors via auction or record collector or something. Stuff like that does happen - a cleaner once flogged loads of DATs of unedited live recordings on eBay and privately before getting found out and returning the unsold DATs (DATs were used through the 90's and early 00's and replaced reel as master tape format at the BBC).

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