BBC Session 6 MASTER COPY

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Great post. Please post more ! We need more quality dialogue like this.
My question is - if the original source couldn't have exceeded 20kHz, then does going to miniDisc really make it that much worse, if at all?
Suppose a direct 16/44 transfer to digital from the master was possible. Wouldn't that make it a mere storage medium, like burning a DVD onto a blu-ray disc ?[/QUOTE]

My copy of BBC Session 6 from Queenzone has lineage that says nothing about Minidisc. Maybe there are (were?) two copies floating around. Full readme.txt attached, lineage listed below:

Lineage

PRO > Analogue MASTER > WAV > CD(1) > EAC > WAV > Trader's Little Helper > FLAC level 8

Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.[/QUOTE]

That sounds plausible. I wondered why the other sessions included a MiniDisc stage in the lineage but session 6 didn't, it makes more sense if they're all the same.

[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.[/QUOTE]

???
Why did Dime ban it in the first place?
The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format, so surely they didn't accept it second time around if you'd added that info?

[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.[/QUOTE]
???
Why did Dime ban it in the first place?
The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format, so surely they didn't accept it second time around if you'd added that info?[/QUOTE]
The "idiots" at dime are right, check your facts before posting. Minidisc is lossy. Minidisc masters are OK usualy, but analog sources with minidisc steps in lineage are not. It was probably banned from dime because someone did a spectral view and frequency analisis and found it to be lossy.

[QUOTE] [b]MDNA wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]brians wig wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]pittrek wrote:[/b]
Hm... I have a crappy memory but if I remember correctly, I spread the version originally with one lineage, and after it was banned from Dime, I got in contact with John again he updated the lineage with the MiniDisc info and I updated the info in the next share.[/QUOTE]
???
Why did Dime ban it in the first place?
The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format, so surely they didn't accept it second time around if you'd added that info?[/QUOTE]
The "idiots" at dime are right, check your facts before posting. Minidisc is lossy. Minidisc masters are OK usualy, but analog sources with minidisc steps in lineage are not. It was probably banned from dime because someone did a spectral view and frequency analisis and found it to be lossy.[/QUOTE]

When I call the people at Dime "idiots", it's not because they consider Minidisc to be lossy (Which I know it is), but because "idiots" is my personal view of them.
They allow torrents with no lineage, yet they pull torrents that DO have a lineage, regardless of whether the 'lossy' source IS the actual Master or not!

Maybe things have changed in the last few years, but the arseholes there once pulled every single one of my torrents and banned me because I'd been honest and said in the lineage that minidisc was the MASTER source!
As a result of that, I've a number of recordings of other bands from the early 2000's that haven't seen the light of day and will probably remain as such.

Either way, there was no need to tell me to "check my facts before posting": that's what causes people to respond with abuse, especially in this community, but I fully appreciate the fact that you are not English and therefore slightly misunderstood what I had written.

I may not be a native english speaker, but I do have a good understanding of it.

When someone writes "The idiots at Dime consider minidisc to be a lossy format" it implies that the authour does not consider minidisc to be lossy, hence my remark.

Like I said, check Dime's rules. Minidisc masters are allowed. I uploaded one myself and it is still running.

This is their section of the Wiki dedicated to minidisc:

ATRAC encoding on MiniDiscs is lossy, though generally considered to be less damaging than MP3 encoding. However, it is not possible to write actual ATRAC data as files that can be shared via BitTorrent, so MiniDisc tracks must be dubbed to PCM for torrenting (and then, per DIME policy, compressed without further loss and divided, unless inapplicable, into tracks). DIME will permit such material, provided that it meets all other applicable requirements, when the torrent's lineage information provided by the uploader documents that ...
The original capture from a microphone at the performance was direct to an MD recorder, in either MDSP or MDLP (any better source would have to be from a different capture and therefore the ATRACked version could run as an alternative),
or
An analog source for audio (for example, an FM or TV signal, or an audiocassette, a videotape's audio, or a vinyl platter) was digitized by being dubbed to MD in MDSP — MDLP is unacceptable for this — and no source that is less lossy is available on DIME;

but
An encoding into ATRAC that is preceded anywhere in the lineage by a digitally stored generation disqualifies the material from being shared via DIME.

The foregoing provision applies only to ATRAC encodings. PCM recordings captured in Hi-MD mode on Hi-MD equipment are lossless and should be shared in a lossless compression format and, unless inapplicable, divided into tracks.

Lossy audio material that lacks the required lineage information will not qualify for this variance, and will be treated like any other lossy audio.

I am told by someone that decodes quadraphonic stuff as a hobby that some or all of this session was broadcast quadraphonic in Matrix H encoding on the Alan Freeman show. Matrix H is hard to decode but he is working on techniques for it. However we don't know if the Matrix H encoded master is the same as the standard one or whether a seperate mix and encode was done for the Alan Freeman show. And even if it is this master, the ATRAC MiniDisc stage may have ruined the Matrix H quad encoding since lossy codecs often throw away phase differences which we can't hear and is how the quad is encoded. Ideally the decode should be done from a lossless transfer of the relevant master.

So can anyone help with:

a) is this the Matrix H quad master, and if so can we get a copy that hasn't been through MiniDisc to decode?

b) if this isn't the Matrix H quad master from the Alan Freeman show, does anyone know of any recordings (master or off air cassette) of that show?

If we could get this decoded it would be the only certain Queen in quadraphonic.

(Rumours persist about Golder's Green Hippodrome aka Pop Spectular being in quad, but the BBC transcription disc label is quite clear in not showing any quad markings. Also my quad contact has decoded Pop Spectacular through an SQ decoder and says it isn't in quad, just quite normal out of phase stuff present which happens quite often.)

Hmm, looks like no-one knows anything about this.

Not even an off air recording of these tracks from the Alan Freeman show? That would at least have the Matrix H encoding for sure.

Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?

[QUOTE] [b]disco_mart wrote:[/b]

Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?[/QUOTE]

It wasn't a torrent, it was a megaupload files to download. See the first posting of the topic.

[QUOTE] [b]OwenSmith wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]disco_mart wrote:[/b]

Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?[/QUOTE]

It wasn't a torrent, it was a megaupload files to download. See the first posting of the topic.[/QUOTE]

Ah I see there's a torrent at the bottom of the second page. Whether there are any seeds on it is a different matter, I downloaded the files from an older thread.

[QUOTE] [b]OwenSmith wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]OwenSmith wrote:[/b]

[QUOTE] [b]disco_mart wrote:[/b]

Does any one have a working link to this torrent at all?[/QUOTE]

It wasn't a torrent, it was a megaupload files to download. See the first posting of the topic.[/QUOTE]

Ah I see there's a torrent at the bottom of the second page. Whether there are any seeds on it is a different matter, I downloaded the files from an older thread.[/QUOTE]

Yeah I was aware of the Megaupload link but we know what happened there! That would be great but the torrent listed might still be floating around.

Torrents don't "hang around", you'll always be able to join the torrent. The issue will be whether there are any seeds for it, if not you'd need to post here asking for a re-seed.

can i get a reseed please?