Kiss rocked Hamburg and played BETH

GratefulFan wrote: skip wrote:

Do you even know who "Beth" is and what the song is really about?
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Funnily enough, I do! Alhough it's commonly thought that Gene Simmons' role in 'Beth' was limited to changing the name from 'Beck' in what was essentially a Peter Criss song, Simmons in fact co-wrote it with Paul Stanely. The character 'Beth' is symbolic of actual musical talent, and although it does try to ring them up in 1972 or so they never actually pick up the phone. The brilliant tension-release set up with 'What can I do?, what can I do?' is resolved in exquisite Greek tragedy when they decide to leave musical talent forever lonely (though they do hope it will be alright) and become shameless merchandisers to an army of perfect suckers.  Overall,  a very underrated work.

Thanks for admitting that you have no idea what the song is about.

Kind of an interesting look back at the demo (pre KISS) when the song was still 'Beck' for those who appreciate what it eventually became....

"Beth" should've left the band with Peter Criss.

Seriously, Peter Criss has his weaknesses as a drummer, singer, and all-around contributing member of society, but that song was the one thing about KISS that was definitely *his*. Eric Carr was a (much) better drummer, and now Eric Singer's wearing the pussy-face makeup. The one trademark Peter Criss had with the band was coming out towards the end of the show solo, sitting down on an amp, and singing Beth along with a symphonic backing track and the audience.

As much as I like Eric Carr as a drummer and vocalist, Beth is one song I wish he would've never touched. I've also heard the story that he didn't want to re-record it, especially not using the same track Peter Criss had, but he was basically told to do so, period. Honestly, the guy kind of got dumped on by the band. While he was dying in a hospital bed, the band was busy making plans to find a new drummer when he croaked. Pretty cheap--Brian and Roger weren't out auditioning new lead singers while Freddie was fading away.

Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley are whores. Attention-loving, media-grabbing whores. They always have been, and they always will be. They have no respect for whatever legacy KISS could have left--that's been proven time and time again. Simmons turned Paul Stanley's near-heart attack into an opportunity to play as a three-piece and garner more media attention than the band had seen in years. They went on a "Farewell" tour with their original lineup, then promptly re-fired the drummer and guitarist and continued to tour for another ten years with a session drummer and a tribute band guitarist. Now they're taking one more dump on the things which made them great, if only for one fleeting moment in history, by having their session drummer read the lyrics to one of their few truly great songs off a teleprompter. Why would they do such a thing? To say "thanks" to the fans? To drive another spike into their ex-drummer's side?

No, they're doing it because they know it'll generate more fan interest in their tour, and maybe sell a few more tickets to fans who are hoping for a chance to hear Beth performed live--even if it is just being read off the floor by a temp.

Thunderbolt wrote: "Beth" should've left the band with Peter Criss.

Seriously, Peter Criss has his weaknesses as a drummer, singer, and all-around contributing member of society, but that song was the one thing about KISS that was definitely *his*. Eric Carr was a (much) better drummer, and now Eric Singer's wearing the pussy-face makeup. The one trademark Peter Criss had with the band was coming out towards the end of the show solo, sitting down on an amp, and singing Beth along with a symphonic backing track and the audience.

As much as I like Eric Carr as a drummer and vocalist, Beth is one song I wish he would've never touched. I've also heard the story that he didn't want to re-record it, especially not using the same track Peter Criss had, but he was basically told to do so, period. Honestly, the guy kind of got dumped on by the band. While he was dying in a hospital bed, the band was busy making plans to find a new drummer when he croaked. Pretty cheap--Brian and Roger weren't out auditioning new lead singers while Freddie was fading away.

Gene Simmons and Paul Stanley are whores. Attention-loving, media-grabbing whores. They always have been, and they always will be. They have no respect for whatever legacy KISS could have left--that's been proven time and time again. Simmons turned Paul Stanley's near-heart attack into an opportunity to play as a three-piece and garner more media attention than the band had seen in years. They went on a "Farewell" tour with their original lineup, then promptly re-fired the drummer and guitarist and continued to tour for another ten years with a session drummer and a tribute band guitarist. Now they're taking one more dump on the things which made them great, if only for one fleeting moment in history, by having their session drummer read the lyrics to one of their few truly great songs off a teleprompter. Why would they do such a thing? To say "thanks" to the fans? To drive another spike into their ex-drummer's side?

No, they're doing it because they know it'll generate more fan interest in their tour, and maybe sell a few more tickets to fans who are hoping for a chance to hear Beth performed live--even if it is just being read off the floor by a temp.

1) Peter Criss didn't write "Beth", Stan Penridge did.  Bob Ezrin wrote the music.

2) Paul Stanley didn't have a "near heart attack".  The condition is called tachycardia.

"To All My Friends And Fans,
I wanted to let all of you know that I AM ABSOLUTELY FINE!
I'm going to the gym as usual, painting as usual and will be going into the recording studio this week. Like many, I have had a rapid heart beat condition most of my life and I never have had any type of restrictions. When I've had an episode, although momentarily disrupting and taxing, it has no residual effect. This is nothing new and my doctors have known about it.
In short, It doesn't change, hasn't changed and won't change my life."

Paul Stanley

3) KISS, like any band, can perform any song they please.  If the song is recorded and sold the songwriters receive their
songwriting royalties.

I won't bother commenting on the other crap you posted.

Like Eric Carr getting screwed over?

Soon skip will be posting one of those 'Leave Britney/Kiss alone!' videos on Youtube. lol

Here's Skippy!!!

Gregsynth wrote: Like Eric Carr getting screwed over?

Eric Carr, who is my favorite drummer, caused some major problems
while he was in KISS, enough to warrant being dismissed from the band had
he not had cancer.

But you would have known that if you were a KISS fan.

Holly2003 wrote: Soon skip will be posting one of those 'Leave Britney/Kiss alone!' videos on Youtube. lol

How many hours did you spend today squeezing the pus out of
scabs in your vagina?

Gregsynth wrote:

Here's Skippy!!!

So that's what Gregsynth looks like.

FWIW, try to cut down on the gayness the next time.

http://www.queenzone.com/forums/1220229/is-it-classy-or-elegant-when-girls-swear-like-old-washer-women.aspx

Even if Eric Carr did have issues, I still find it very low-class to FIRE somebody while they are in the hospital fighting for their life. I'd rather be told "your fired" to my face, while being healthy.

Gregsynth wrote: skip wrote: Gregsynth wrote:

Here's Skippy!!!

So that's what Gregsynth looks like.

FWIW, try to cut down on the gayness the next time.
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Sorry Skip! I agree, it is a bit over the top!

they just are not too good a band, fact.

As long as the quote function is not working (is it not working?), I would suggest typing a little line of --------- or ******** to separate the posts being quoted.  For a few moments I was confused about why Sir GH would refer to a maxi pad in his post.  But then I realized, that must be where skip's comments started.