Come on guys, why is there so much hate in this thread ? Enjoy life, it's short. Sometimes TOO short.
All this fighting is pointless
pittrek
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people on streets
You are right Peter.
The Real Wizard
My thoughts..
1) Being a taper doesn't make someone a hero. Sharing does. What good is preserving history if nobody gets to hear/see it?
2) Taping a show last year especially doesn't make someone a hero. Just about anyone can do it. It was a major feat 30 years ago, and it's an even bigger feat when the recording survives and is transferred to digital with care.
3) Most of the 30-year-old Queen recordings being hoarded are in the hands of people who didn't tape them.
4) Most people at a Queen forum don't care about recordings that were made a couple years ago. They are generally not historically significant.
5) The spirit of this thread was to encourage people to share, not for the people with the material to rub it into everyone's faces.
But that's all fine. Live and let live, and people can do as they please. Life goes on. But this is the bottom line:
6) It's a shame that the hoarders still get to download what others generously share.
1) Being a taper doesn't make someone a hero. Sharing does. What good is preserving history if nobody gets to hear/see it?
2) Taping a show last year especially doesn't make someone a hero. Just about anyone can do it. It was a major feat 30 years ago, and it's an even bigger feat when the recording survives and is transferred to digital with care.
3) Most of the 30-year-old Queen recordings being hoarded are in the hands of people who didn't tape them.
4) Most people at a Queen forum don't care about recordings that were made a couple years ago. They are generally not historically significant.
5) The spirit of this thread was to encourage people to share, not for the people with the material to rub it into everyone's faces.
But that's all fine. Live and let live, and people can do as they please. Life goes on. But this is the bottom line:
6) It's a shame that the hoarders still get to download what others generously share.
Kniggit
Maybe you should edit the title to include what this post is about?
tcc
My thoughts on the matter of hoarding:
1. If you share food, what you give out is lost to you. However sharing music is different - you still own a copy and get to enjoy what you have shared. What is lost is the perceived investment value of that bootleg.
2. How much money can a person make from a bootleg ? Unless you are the likes of Snow Productions, the amount that a person can make from selling a bootleg will not be substantial. It is probably easier to make money from investing in the stock market.
3. Eventually everyone has to part with whatever he has. If the person's second generation does not treasure the bootleg that is passed on and throws it away as trash, the music which the person found will be lost again. Alternatively, if the second generation gives it away freely to other people, then you might as well do it yourself and gain some recognition for it.
1. If you share food, what you give out is lost to you. However sharing music is different - you still own a copy and get to enjoy what you have shared. What is lost is the perceived investment value of that bootleg.
2. How much money can a person make from a bootleg ? Unless you are the likes of Snow Productions, the amount that a person can make from selling a bootleg will not be substantial. It is probably easier to make money from investing in the stock market.
3. Eventually everyone has to part with whatever he has. If the person's second generation does not treasure the bootleg that is passed on and throws it away as trash, the music which the person found will be lost again. Alternatively, if the second generation gives it away freely to other people, then you might as well do it yourself and gain some recognition for it.
ok.computer
Yes indeed, this thread, like so many others has tailspun out of control waaaaaaaaay off in the opposite direction.
Whoever it was up above that wrote about not sharing is correct. It's theirs, they made it, they don't have to share it. I don't judge them. I don't pity them. I don't even mock them. But just to go over one point again: if you think that there is any money to be made from hoarding, think again. The Queen realm of those who would pay for such material diminishes every year, as the relevance of the band fades, and a new generation of listeners, quite happy to make do with the original canon of available albums grows.
The teenies and twenty-somethings coming up behind don't give a shit about a Sunbury concert or some crackly audience recording from 1976. They have been educated to, and strive for mediocrity. They. Don't. Care. As long as you hoarders know that, and keep your stuff for your own personal pleasure, that's a-ok with me.
Just to reiterate what someone else wrote, I myself was only 13 when Queen last toured. They came to Slane - the nearest gig to me some 180 miles south of where I live, in a land with very little in the way of public transport those days - and of course I was never going to be allowed to go to that, even with a gang of others. So my own contributions to a fan archive are gonna be pretty limited - as will most people's.
So feel free to hoard your stuff. You earned the right to. I admire your anal streak of character - I could be never be arsed to be that bothered, but if that's your bag, I support your right to be Silas Stingy.
I'm going to re-post this next bit, so with a bit of luck we can go back ON TOPIC and away from the self-flagellations of those in their twilight years who are in the enviable position to be hoarders:
There is a need to either:
expand one of the existing fansites; or
create a whole new site;
...which will be a repository for as much of the existing material as possible "out there".
I am suggesting, after a little reconsideration of the topic that perhaps even Queenzone could be such a site. The site in question will need huge disk-space to operate, so some sort of membership scheme might be needed.
Think about the possibilities:
a tag-able picture gallery of fan photos, catalogued on upload;
a searchable, downloadable repository of film footage, submitted and again tagged by fans as they upload
a searchable, downloadable gallery of audio bootlegs, perhaps catalogued by some of the Queen "bigwigs" on here - a little debate and agreement between them as to which final copy of the bootleg is "as good as it gets".
This requires work. It requires collaboration. It maybe even requires some of the existing big fansites to get together and combine forces, with sharing of work and costs.
I for one am only a casual observer, with a few dozen LP bootlegs, all of which are downloadable already. I don't care about the picture gallery. I don't care about the 30 seconds of 8mm footage from the legendary Backofbeyond gig in Swaziland.
What I would care about, however, is the ultimate fan repository, combining all the talents, and all the material. Brooks and QPL have missed a trick here. And really, so have the hoarders, and the people who dismissed the original thrust of this thread.
I am actually astonished at their lack of knowledge of the sort of shared project which can typify the very best of the internet. If anyone actually sets this out as a proposal, gets a domain name and invites submissions to a nicely designed site, aimed only at perpetuating an online archive of all things Queen, I'd be the first to hit the tip jar to the tune of £200. It's all I can afford, but I'd pay it if it started to roll.
Lengthy soliloquy over.
Whoever it was up above that wrote about not sharing is correct. It's theirs, they made it, they don't have to share it. I don't judge them. I don't pity them. I don't even mock them. But just to go over one point again: if you think that there is any money to be made from hoarding, think again. The Queen realm of those who would pay for such material diminishes every year, as the relevance of the band fades, and a new generation of listeners, quite happy to make do with the original canon of available albums grows.
The teenies and twenty-somethings coming up behind don't give a shit about a Sunbury concert or some crackly audience recording from 1976. They have been educated to, and strive for mediocrity. They. Don't. Care. As long as you hoarders know that, and keep your stuff for your own personal pleasure, that's a-ok with me.
Just to reiterate what someone else wrote, I myself was only 13 when Queen last toured. They came to Slane - the nearest gig to me some 180 miles south of where I live, in a land with very little in the way of public transport those days - and of course I was never going to be allowed to go to that, even with a gang of others. So my own contributions to a fan archive are gonna be pretty limited - as will most people's.
So feel free to hoard your stuff. You earned the right to. I admire your anal streak of character - I could be never be arsed to be that bothered, but if that's your bag, I support your right to be Silas Stingy.
I'm going to re-post this next bit, so with a bit of luck we can go back ON TOPIC and away from the self-flagellations of those in their twilight years who are in the enviable position to be hoarders:
There is a need to either:
expand one of the existing fansites; or
create a whole new site;
...which will be a repository for as much of the existing material as possible "out there".
I am suggesting, after a little reconsideration of the topic that perhaps even Queenzone could be such a site. The site in question will need huge disk-space to operate, so some sort of membership scheme might be needed.
Think about the possibilities:
a tag-able picture gallery of fan photos, catalogued on upload;
a searchable, downloadable repository of film footage, submitted and again tagged by fans as they upload
a searchable, downloadable gallery of audio bootlegs, perhaps catalogued by some of the Queen "bigwigs" on here - a little debate and agreement between them as to which final copy of the bootleg is "as good as it gets".
This requires work. It requires collaboration. It maybe even requires some of the existing big fansites to get together and combine forces, with sharing of work and costs.
I for one am only a casual observer, with a few dozen LP bootlegs, all of which are downloadable already. I don't care about the picture gallery. I don't care about the 30 seconds of 8mm footage from the legendary Backofbeyond gig in Swaziland.
What I would care about, however, is the ultimate fan repository, combining all the talents, and all the material. Brooks and QPL have missed a trick here. And really, so have the hoarders, and the people who dismissed the original thrust of this thread.
I am actually astonished at their lack of knowledge of the sort of shared project which can typify the very best of the internet. If anyone actually sets this out as a proposal, gets a domain name and invites submissions to a nicely designed site, aimed only at perpetuating an online archive of all things Queen, I'd be the first to hit the tip jar to the tune of £200. It's all I can afford, but I'd pay it if it started to roll.
Lengthy soliloquy over.
The Real Wizard
Superb post, ok.computer. I'm game. Anything on my website is free to be used, and I'll contribute in any way I can. Who else is in?
pittrek
Is there any way how can I help ?
ok.computer
Lads, you have to decide what way to take this.
Is it going to be a new site?
Is it going to be a revamp of an existing site?
Is it going to be the amalgamation of a couple of sites?
Then, what sections are you going to concentrate on?
How will you gather up the material?
This is a big job, a potentially costly job, and you all keep excellent sites as it is. Some big decisions to be made before embarking on this path...
Is it going to be a new site?
Is it going to be a revamp of an existing site?
Is it going to be the amalgamation of a couple of sites?
Then, what sections are you going to concentrate on?
How will you gather up the material?
This is a big job, a potentially costly job, and you all keep excellent sites as it is. Some big decisions to be made before embarking on this path...
The Real Wizard
We need more people to express an interest to begin with. It can't be just 3 or 4 people. We need dozens.
Queenrockyou
Hello everyone.
- I'm in big favor of that project.
- My bootleg collection is open of course.
- I'm currently working on a new index, with a complete catalogue of what is out there along with Marco.
- Vali is working on a bunch of new artwork, it could be nice to get his talent used for that project. Alex, if you hear that, say hello !
- I have absolutely no skills at creating websites.
- I give my whole time and cooperation to such a project, just tell me what to do.
- I'm pretty sure there are kind people out there ready to embark on such a project with their own skills, remastering for example...
- I'm just annoyed with copyright problems, Queenzone has the band's "approval", it would be better to solve this copyright problem before starting anything.
Express your thoughts everyone !! For once, it gets back to the original topic, so please express your interest.
Regards,
Olivier,
Belgium.
- I'm in big favor of that project.
- My bootleg collection is open of course.
- I'm currently working on a new index, with a complete catalogue of what is out there along with Marco.
- Vali is working on a bunch of new artwork, it could be nice to get his talent used for that project. Alex, if you hear that, say hello !
- I have absolutely no skills at creating websites.
- I give my whole time and cooperation to such a project, just tell me what to do.
- I'm pretty sure there are kind people out there ready to embark on such a project with their own skills, remastering for example...
- I'm just annoyed with copyright problems, Queenzone has the band's "approval", it would be better to solve this copyright problem before starting anything.
Express your thoughts everyone !! For once, it gets back to the original topic, so please express your interest.
Regards,
Olivier,
Belgium.
Vali
ruth.olivier wrote:
- Vali is working on a bunch of new artwork, it could be nice to get his talent used for that project. Alex, if you hear that, say hello !
++++++++++++++
as this "talent" could be my only contribution to this project, you can always count on me. I´m in.
ps: yes, where´s Alex ?
- Vali is working on a bunch of new artwork, it could be nice to get his talent used for that project. Alex, if you hear that, say hello !
++++++++++++++
as this "talent" could be my only contribution to this project, you can always count on me. I´m in.
ps: yes, where´s Alex ?
e-man
as a somewhat younger fan, I have nothing to offer to this apart from what's already available.
I've recorded bits and pieces on the QPR gigs I atteneded, but it was all done with portable cameras and phones, thus the quality isn't great
but I hope this project is launched, cause as someone mentioned - it's incredible what the springsteen / zeppelin camp have done over the years
(on a sidenote; QPR Birmingham 05 was my first ever Queen/related live experience - so a video recording of that would be such a treat!!!!)
I've recorded bits and pieces on the QPR gigs I atteneded, but it was all done with portable cameras and phones, thus the quality isn't great
but I hope this project is launched, cause as someone mentioned - it's incredible what the springsteen / zeppelin camp have done over the years
(on a sidenote; QPR Birmingham 05 was my first ever Queen/related live experience - so a video recording of that would be such a treat!!!!)