Can I ask you guys something?

lifetimefanofqueen wrote: look brENsKi, some people can clearly handly these things better than others. I dont want to argue with you, so im asking you now can we just drop what ever it is we have against eachover and just get along, please, this arguing is so childish. can we just get along? ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
i think you misunderstand me. this is not a personal attack on you. anyone who knows me from this site _ i have bene here years - will know this is me being consistently ME. i call things as i see them....if it think someone is being an idiot is say it, and if i think i have an example of life that will help in some way i offer it. my comments were constructive and realistic. so stop trying to put "your spin" on my responses. there was no arguing or childisihness in my reply.
i thought the example of my brother dying was a fair one....he'd really have given everything to be in your shoes...alive (and miserable - or depressed)
you really need to get beyond what you think are personal comments - they're not. and people often have a go at me (and my style/ways) but i think - i dish it out...so i take it return....

but i'm not apologising for my comments - whatsoever....lose someone important to you who woulda given anything to live and you'll realise how precious life is.....buck yourself up, get treatment, adress your issues and get on with it...but don't come on here bemoaning your lot in life....cos life's to short to be depressed.

also - get some new music.....or old music...rainbow, rush, badfinger, beatles, purple, ufo, lings of leon, killers, saw doctors.....rock yourself out

ps (edit) - how about doing something radical? distract yourself from your own misery....go and help the local needy, homeless, dying...any charity. the joy and appreciation MUST help claw back some good feeling into your soul

I agree 100% with Brenski's stance.  There are far too many people in this world who lack perspective.  Today's kids are conditioned to have a sense of entitlement and often "get depressed" when things don't go their way.  No doubt there are genuine cases of depression, but the rest of them can be cured with a little positive guidance instead of medication.

Clincial depression has absolutely nothing to do with whether you appreciate life or not, whether you have lost a loved one or not, whether you are wealthy, or poor. It matters not what your station in life is, and people who believe that do not understand clinical depression.  Those of you  who know me as a long time Queenzone member know that (for the most part, LOL!!) I am a reasonably rational woman. And I have suffered from depression my whole adult life. I have a wonderful husband, a fantastic son, a great extended family, good friends a home to live in, and food to eat. Yes, I appreciate all these things immensely, and yes, I have lost loved ones. My mom in 1999, my dad in 2000, and my brother who died unexpectedly just two years ago. I do realize only too well how short life is, and I value my life and loved ones greatly, and I feel I am very fortunate. But that has absolutely nothing to do with my depression. I received treatment from my wonderful doctor 13 years ago. But even though I improved immensely, I still struggle from time to time. True clinical depression is a real illness, a chemical imbalance in the brain,  and it needs to be treated as such. Tough love is not what is needed.

Like I said, Janet, there are always genuine cases, and these people, like yourself, receive the treatment they need.  The argument here is that plenty of people without the chemical imbalance still claim to be depressed and want to be treated the same way.

Look here sir GH, I have got depression because I went to the hospital and they told me to go to a phsyciatrist and so i did and i was there for an 2 and a half hours and after they diagnosed me with severe depression, so dont try to turn it around to make it look like im in the wrong and i'm lying, I started up this forum to ask for help on how to get over this depression from some people who may have had depression or not, If your going to turn this around on me then get lost.

My good friend had depression and I didn't even know about it.  She took medicine and was seeing a counselor (which I didn't know).  Then the guy she was seeing broke up with her and she committed suicide and shocked everybody.  She  always seemed so happy and cheerful, smiling, and making jokes all the time and she was very witty and smart.  One time I said to her, "You seem so happy," and she said, "It is just an act."  I laughed because I thought that was her fast wit; just another joke.

Anyway, I hardly would know a depressed person from a non-depressed person, so it is good that there are medical experts who are there to help.  I think there is some good advice in this thread from people who have had depression.

Good luck with your treatment, and I hope you feel better really soon.

A few comments:

1)Sir GH, I agree with you that the word depression is overused (and misused), but talking about 'Today's kids' makes you sound like an old man. :D It's not just kids who use the term when it isn't appropiate. Many adults also misuse the term and even resort to popping pills (and giving their kids pills) when it isn't necessary to do so.

2)Brenski, I have no idea whether lifetimefanofqueen is genuinely depressed or not. However assuming that she is, saying to her that she should be grateful to be alive because your brother would have loved to have been alive and depressed is not only unhelpful but is ignorant of depression. If you are truly depressed, not only do you not want to be alive when the depression is at its worst, but you can't just 'get a grip.' It is unlikely that anyone would want to suffer genuine depression, but even if your brother would have been happy to be depressed if it meant being alive, it's irrelevent; if lifetimefanofqueen suffers from genuine depression, her disease (and that is what it is) will not be cured because of that. If she is contemplating suicide due to her disease, then saying to her that X would love to be in her position is simply ignorant.

You mention that you lost three people close to you; that is horrible beyond words, but with all due respect, that does not mean that you are genuinely depressed, as sorrow does not equal depression. It also does not mean that you have the right to reduce other people's suffering.

Amazon wrote: A few comments:

2)Brenski, I have no idea whether lifetimefanofqueen is genuinely depressed or not. However assuming that she is, saying to her that she should be grateful to be alive because your brother would have loved to have been alive and depressed is not only unhelpful but is ignorant of depression. If you are truly depressed, not only do you not want to be alive when the depression is at its worst, but you can't just 'get a grip.' It is unlikely that anyone would want to suffer genuine depression, but even if your brother would have been happy to be depressed if it meant being alive, it's irrelevent; if lifetimefanofqueen suffers from genuine depression, her disease (and that is what it is) will not be cured because of that. If she is contemplating suicide due to her disease, then saying to her that X would love to be in her position is simply ignorant.

You mention that you lost three people close to you; that is horrible beyond words, but with all due respect, that does not mean that you are genuinely depressed, as sorrow does not equal depression. It also does not mean that you have the right to reduce other people's suffering.
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firstly, i have never said i was depressed. far from it. i know what depression is, and know i have never been depressed.
secondly, my follow-up comments were my attempt to explain to the original poster that i was not being personal or making personal attacks. however, you now appear to be attacking me, without reading my posts in context.
thirdly, i made suggestions that may help, it's up to an individual if they attempt to do anything about their situation other than post stuff about how depressed they are.
fourthly, as Sir GH said: too many young people get "depression" these days...this is not necessarily their fault, but the fault of a lazy health service who write everything off to depression and prescribve pills cos it's easier than tackling the reall problem. stress is a part of modern life, stress is healthy if dealt with properly by the individual, when they don't deal with it this is where intervention is required. Janet - as a long-time sufferer - made a great comment re: the need for "tough love".
finally, how dare you - your last comment is patronising in the very least. "with all due respect"???? that very statement in the context of what you are saying belittles my loss. I would argue that my loss is far greater than depression - i know what i would rather have - i'd trade depression to have my dad and brother back. and perhaps you are right sorrow does not equal dpression - where did i ever claim it did? but and it's a big but - loss/sorrow can be a catalyst that triggers depression. just because the chemical arrangement of my brain allows me to cope better does not mean my loss is any less significant than anyone's depression.

I think that all doctors should just walk out those hospital doors now and enjoy their summer day relaxing (as doctors do) by lying around by the pool and reading romance novels and eating chocolates.  Because the patients could always rely on the opinions of Sir GH and Brenski instead!  Besides, doctors are lazy and need to face that fact, accept it, live the truth and stop pretending to work hard at the hospital.

Before this discussion gets out of hand, let's all be sure not to throw the "all doctors are competent and care" card.  Any informed citizen knows the have been over-diagnosing things like depression and ADD for years, as it's an easy solution, and they can move on to the next patient as 5pm is approaching.  Plenty of doctors see their job as a job and do the bare minimum, just like any other line of work, because they know they can - the system allows it.

Donna13 wrote: I think that all doctors should just walk out those hospital doors now and enjoy their summer day relaxing (as doctors do) by lying around by the pool and reading romance novels and eating chocolates.  Because the patients could always rely on the opinions of Sir GH and Brenski instead!  Besides, doctors are lazy and need to face that fact, accept it, live the truth and stop pretending to work hard at the hospital.
this conversation is getting out of hand....you need to learn to read before jumping down my throat. where did i say "doctors"?????????????
i said "lazy health service" - as in the organisation as a whole....
there is neither innacuracy or attack in my comments...just fact.

I think it's safe to say that not only are Sir GH and Brenski willing and able to answer your medical questions (better than paying for a doctor, I say), but they are also very well qualified to answer any question you might have on any subject!  How lucky we all are!

Donna13 wrote: I think it's safe to say that not only are Sir GH and Brenski willing and able to answer your medical questions (better than paying for a doctor, I say), but they are also very well qualified to answer any question you might have on any subject!  How lucky we all are!
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i think YOU need to learn to read

Attacking the person and not the problem won't make it go away, neither will putting words in people's mouths.

Their generosity knows no bounds.  I didn't even ask for their advice and they are giving me top notch advice - and for free!  Ah, the abundant universe gives again and again and again!