Silver Salmon Thread

Alright. I am going to have to disagree with many people. I really think this is from no later than 1974. Freddie still has the very high voice that we hear on Queen I and a bit on Queen II. Unless, it plays too fast or is pitched up, than it must be from 1971-74. But then of course, it could always be from 1977 but pitched up. 

But either or, it is still an amazing song which should have been included on an album.

Re: why it never made it onto an album...

Pure speculation, but if it IS a Tim Staffell song, that may well be why it never made it onto an album. I think if it had any chance of inclusion, it would have been on the first album. My reasoning, which is by no means rock solid:

- A song penned by Tim Staffell alone would not generate any royalties for the band member's themselves. Why record a song, even a really good song, early in there career (either 1971/1972 or 1977) which wouldn't make them much money? "Doing All Right" was at least co-written by Brian.

- Speaking of DAR, that it was included on Queen 1 and "See What A Fool I've Been" was NOT included on Queen II may point to the fact that a) Brian was worried about royalities (not knowing then who wrote the original song), and/or b) the band wanted distance themselves, album-wise, from their Smile roots. They still played it live, but usually as an encore number.

- Sheer Heart Attack is the last album the band recorded with vestiges of their pre-Queen days still present. "Brighton Rock" contains the guitar solo whose most earliest known recording appears in Smile's "Blag." And "Stone Cold Crazy," we know, had evolved from a Wreckage-era track (no one's certain which one, and theories abound about what it sounded like [slower?]). After that, with A Night At The Opera, the band pretty well stuck to recording material penned AFTER their formation.

Great posts guys.  NIce to see plenty of us are involved in this investigative work.  Let's hope we get some kind of official word some day.

This song is definately from 1991, recorded for Made In Heaven but never finished...  =)

Nah, just kidding.. I have to agree, as a drummer, that the drum sound is very "'77" for me.. To my ears, the drum kit on this song sounds similar to the one on the BBC sessions in 77 (It's late, for example) ..

But I would have to listen to the bbc recording once again, since it's been so long I heard this...

jamster1111 wrote: Alright. I am going to have to disagree with many people. I really think this is from no later than 1974. Freddie still has the very high voice that we hear on Queen I and a bit on Queen II. Unless, it plays too fast or is pitched up, than it must be from 1971-74. But then of course, it could always be from 1977 but pitched up. 

But either or, it is still an amazing song which should have been included on an album.

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It's too fast (around half a semitone too sharp).

It sounds like Paul Rodgers to me. Probably an unused song from The Cosmos Rocks.

'Misfire' features timbales....   :)

If so, then "Misfire" is clearly being played at the wrong pitch. Slow it down, so those timbales disappear, then everything will fit, just ignore that Freddie will sound 40 years old and the guitars are in the wrong key. Just get rid of those timbales!

Obviously, I'm joking.

So that's the categorical evidence to PROVE (not to suggest, to PROVE) that Misfire was clearly recorded during NOTW sessions, then they travelled back in time and added it to SHA, as Roger NEVER EVER played timbales before or after NOTW.

Undebatable.

Case closed.

Next topic.

Sebastian wrote: So that's the categorical evidence to PROVE (not to suggest, to PROVE) that Misfire was clearly recorded during NOTW sessions, then they travelled back in time and added it to SHA, as Roger NEVER EVER played timbales before or after NOTW.

Undebatale.

Case closed.

Next topic.
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Well, a track from SHA ended up on NOTW, so I guess it's possible the reverse it true.

Not to mention that the possibility of Rog playing timbales before or after NOTW is as remote that a time travel makes much more sense.

Little-known Queen fact: the Rolls Royce Freddie owned around the NOTW era was equiped with a Flux Capacitor, enabling the band to travel through time when it reached 88 miles per hour.

But if it reached 89 mph the car owner got AIDS. So there you have it: another mystery solved.

But they would need to generate 1.21Gigawatts of electricity to fuel the flux capacitor. Which can only come from a Treble Booster which was only created by Pete Cornish in 1981 proving absolutely NOTHING!

Just gone through a process of "speed-correcting" the version of "Silver Salmon" with the studio banter and spliced that together with the version of "Feelings" also "speed-corrected".

At no point can you find the "correct" pitch to prove that the version commonly doing the rounds has been sped up in order to dupe people in to thinking that what's commonly available is a 1977 session that has been quickened up over time.  Freddie's voice in 1977, when taking all known NOTW material and the "Feelings Feelings" out-take as a whole in comparison to "Silver Salmon" and Feelings" at ANY lower pitch is completeky different; it's more ravaged and "throaty" than it's posissible to make either "Silver Salmon" or "Feelings".

When listeining to Queen or Queen II material alongside "Polar Bear", "Silver Salmon",  "Feelings" and "Mad The Swine" as well as the best available board recording of Golder's Green, it's blatantly obvious that "Silver Salmon" and "Feelings" show Freddie at this point in the development of his voice.

I'd urge other's to try the same process.