Freddie's photos

It's amazing how many people on this thread think they know Mary, Jim etc and you've never even met them. You assign motives and judge these people based on fleeting glimpses of their lives in newspapers, books, or internet rumours. None of you are in a position to judge them positively  or negatively because you simply don't have enough info. or insight to make that judgement.

Yeah, no kidding.  I just made a suggestion based on the fact that the one person who didn't write a tell-all book after his death was the same person he called his only true friend, and then all the Mary-bashers chime in as if they're on a first-name basis with the lot of them.  I personally don't care, mainly because it's all conjecture.  I just find this one angle to be particularly interesting.

Sir GH wrote: Yeah, no kidding.  I just made a suggestion based on the fact that the one person who didn't write a tell-all book after his death was the same person he called his only true friend, and then all the Mary-bashers chime in as if they're on a first-name basis with the lot of them. ================================================= Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffftttt. If we're guilty of any overreaching, you certainly are too. "Furthermore, Jim had an obvious agenda against Mary in his book, as he was clearly jealous of her getting Freddie's house instead of him.  Maybe this was Jim's way of lashing out at Freddie in death, by giving the public the one thing Freddie didn't want them to have - a front row seat to his private life - as deep down he knew who Freddie really loved.. and it wasn't him.  I therefore take very little of what he said at face value.  Good on Mary for her consistent show of integrity on this matter. " Please.

Some people seem to forget this is a forum about Queen, not about Mary, Jim or all the other gay boys of Garden lodge circa 1991. There's no point in this discussion because we'll never know the full truth. Ontopic, I think TRS-Romania may have some interesting photos of Freddie for the TS. The best one of them is Freddie gasping for air while pointing at the piece of mango in his mouth. You'll like them.

Yannickjoker Are you kidding me?

This thread is a perfect of example of sucking the life out of what was for some people a worthwhile conversation on a couple of different fronts.  It's not much fun.

pietrek1994 wrote: Yannickjoker Are you kidding me?
Please tell me what you think.

You told that a photo of Freddie being eating mango exist? :P DId you see it?

plumrach wrote: The mews was hardly a squat now though was it, Freddie made it into a luxury guesthouse and Peter and Joe were both already living in the mews long before Freddie died

Maybe Mary was Freddies "beard" as you say and Jim did say once in his book that Freddie always took Mary to events where the press would be and Jim said that he knew that meant Freddie wasnt "in love" with him but Mary was somebody that Freddie trusted more than anybody else otherwise he would not of left the house and half of his estate to her, he still made sure Peter Jim and Joe were looked after
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Please.  Get real.  The three of them were forced to move from a mansion to an apartment.  Peter was already in
the mews (his choice).

The bottom line is Freddie would be pissed off knowing how Jim, Peter, and Joe were treated by Mary (and also
Jim Beach).  IMO Mary looked out for Mary.  In the end she got what she deserved; a life behind brick walls.

freddiefan91 wrote: Whilst I don't like Jim's book I think its clear that Freddie was happy with Jim for the majority of the time they were together, Jim says in his book there was a few occasions where he was asked to leave after seemingly pointless rows but they always managed to patch things up, perhaps Freddie was testing Jim to see how far he could push him
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Freddie also cheated on Jim several times.

Holly2003 wrote: It's amazing how many people on this thread think they know Mary, Jim etc and you've never even met them. You assign motives and judge these people based on fleeting glimpses of their lives in newspapers, books, or internet rumours. None of you are in a position to judge them positively  or negatively because you simply don't have enough info. or insight to make that judgement.

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It's interesting that much of what Peter and Jim had to say in their books overlapped.  Where's Mary's book?  Maybe
she has something to hide?  It was interesting how both Peter and Jim felt like they were intruding when they
visited Garden Lodge a few times after Freddie's death.  It wasn't like Mary was so glad to see them.

You are correct in that we don't know any of them.  The best we can do is judge by what they've said.

Sir GH wrote: Yeah, no kidding.  I just made a suggestion based on the fact that the one person who didn't write a tell-all book after his death was the same person he called his only true friend, and then all the Mary-bashers chime in as if they're on a first-name basis with the lot of them.  I personally don't care, mainly because it's all conjecture.  I just find this one angle to be particularly interesting.
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That one person who didn't write a "tell-all" book did allow a photographer and magazine writer to come into
Garden Lodge and photograph it.  She's opened her mouth a few times to magazines and has appeared on
several Queen/Freddie documentaries.  It's not like she kept her mouth shut the entire time.

YannickJoker wrote: Some people seem to forget this is a forum about Queen, not about Mary, Jim or all the other gay boys of Garden lodge circa 1991. There's no point in this discussion because we'll never know the full truth. Ontopic, I think TRS-Romania may have some interesting photos of Freddie for the TS. The best one of them is Freddie gasping for air while pointing at the piece of mango in his mouth. You'll like them.

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If you don't like this topic, move on.  Pretty simple concept.

BTW, you fail at your attempt at humor.

Freddie left his house to Mary but it had always been his intention that Jim, Joe and Pheobe remained there for as long as they wished. Mary wasn't happy with the arrangement but legally speaking, she didn't have a leg to stand on.
Sometime around the beginning of 1992, Jim Hutton began hearing strange noises coming from the attic in Garden Lodge. A couple of weeks later, Joe Fannelli spoke of doors opening and closing by themselves and in the early hours of February 11th 1992, Pheobe claimed to have seen a 'ghost pirate ship' sailing around the garden pond.
Thankfully the mysterious happenings were eventually explained by four American teenagers and their dog who, after an extensive investigation and a chase through a hallway in which they ran past the same plant pot and suit of armour a total of eight times, managed to snare the pirate ghost captain in a net. It then transpired that the pirate ghost captain was none other than former Queen Bassist John Deacon who was trying to scare Jim, Joe and Pheobe out of Garden Lodge so that he could search for the elusive photographs of Freddie Mercury's corpse, which he then planned to sell on Ebay.
As Deacon was being lead away in handcuffs he told reporters "It was the perfect plan and I would have gotten away with it, had it not been for those meddling kids."
The whole sorry episode was hushed up by Jim Beach who made up a story about John Deacon retiring but the truth is that John is serving a 25 year prison sentence.
Mary was more than happy for Jim, Joe and Pheobe to stay at Garden Lodge until she found out they all had AIDS and had Rentokil come and smoke them out.

fatty.

jpf wrote:

"If you don't like this topic, move on.  Pretty simple concept.

BTW, you fail at your attempt at humor."

Oh, you've hurt me so much now! Are you gonna bark all day, little doggie, or are you gonna bite?