Not another "End of the world" date........

There's a guy who lives quite nearby me who has signs in his yard about this, and advertises the "family radio" station.

There is a mini-van parked prominently in his driveway.  It's entirely painted over with images of destruction and mayhem, bible quotes, the said date for the End of the World, "God Will Bring His Holy Judgement on" that date....the date displayed on the sides and hood of the van....

Also, the guy who is behind this whole movement and determination of the date also determined some other "end of the world" date years ago.

As far as I can tell, it didn't happen.

"I wouldn't mind so much if it really was just your private belief, but for people like you it does not stay that way."

People like me?  Don't blame me for all the other Christians you come in contact with.  I have friends (not really friends, but we get along) who are gay.  I'm keeping this belief with me (though I'm not going around public saying "Gays are wrong" and junk) and if you don't like it, then that's just too bad.

*nervously looks around before entering the warzone
im not getting involved.... but as a conservative christian :P  can i point out that the Bible teaches that many things are wrong -- gossip, disobedience to parents, anger without cause, judgment of others, divorce and remarriage and unmarried (some feel uncommitted) STRAIGHT sex.  If someone believes that certain sexual acts are wrong, i personally think they should have the freedom to believe as they wish AS LONG AS that belief is not shoved down everyones throat.  I was raised to believe that homosexuality was wrong, but also raised to believe that acceptance of others as PEOPLE was more important then anything else, as what a person does is between them and God, God created people, and therefore, u accept, respect and love people as a reflection of God.  And as i recently told a 'friend' of mine who posted something anti-gay onhis facebook, 'as Jake Shears (singer of Scissor Sisters) says, 'God loves the gays!''.  Again, i may have my own personal beliefs, but if i had the chance, id vote for gay rights, id vote for gay marriage... i celebrated when the first irish gay couple were able to marry (called civil patnership here).   Every year i think i should go to the pride march in my city, but something usually ends up coming up that weekend so i dont actually end up going.  And what is with all thhis changing to become straight?  lol, lalalalaa do u think u could undergo therapy that would make u lesbian?  

And Lalalalalaa what is wrong with 'inter-racial' marriage?!  (personally i believe that there is only one 'race,' the human race).  Do u believe that there is an essential difference between ppl because of ethnicity?  Would that apply to two white ppl from different cultures?  Or only to black/asian/white/oriental/latino?  But what if its say... a white american and a white south african?  Or a black american and a nigerian?  Do they count as 'unnatural'?  Im kind of (well, very lol) interested in an Indian guy i know, does that make me a freak?  If God created all people, and all people came from TWO original people, then how is marriage between ANY two people unnatural? 
ok.  i did get involved.  lol

"Don't blame me for all the other Christians you come in contact with."

Why do you keep saying that?  You're absolutely nothing like the other Christians I've met.

catqueen wrote: *nervously looks around before entering the warzone
im not getting involved.... but as a conservative christian :P  can i point out that the Bible teaches that many things are wrong -- gossip, disobedience to parents, anger without cause, judgment of others, divorce and remarriage and unmarried (some feel uncommitted) STRAIGHT sex.  If someone believes that certain sexual acts are wrong, i personally think they should have the freedom to believe as they wish AS LONG AS that belief is not shoved down everyones throat.  I was raised to believe that homosexuality was wrong, but also raised to believe that acceptance of others as PEOPLE was more important then anything else, as what a person does is between them and God, God created people, and therefore, u accept, respect and love people as a reflection of God.  And as i recently told a 'friend' of mine who posted something anti-gay onhis facebook, 'as Jake Shears (singer of Scissor Sisters) says, 'God loves the gays!''.  Again, i may have my own personal beliefs, but if i had the chance, id vote for gay rights, id vote for gay marriage... i celebrated when the first irish gay couple were able to marry (called civil patnership here).   Every year i think i should go to the pride march in my city, but something usually ends up coming up that weekend so i dont actually end up going.  And what is with all thhis changing to become straight?  lol, lalalalaa do u think u could undergo therapy that would make u lesbian?  

And Lalalalalaa what is wrong with 'inter-racial' marriage?!  (personally i believe that there is only one 'race,' the human race).  Do u believe that there is an essential difference between ppl because of ethnicity?  Would that apply to two white ppl from different cultures?  Or only to black/asian/white/oriental/latino?  But what if its say... a white american and a white south african?  Or a black american and a nigerian?  Do they count as 'unnatural'?  Im kind of (well, very lol) interested in an Indian guy i know, does that make me a freak?  If God created all people, and all people came from TWO original people, then how is marriage between ANY two people unnatural? 
ok.  i did get involved.  lol

Nothing really.  It just kind of seems weird.  People can do what they want. 

Also, I will never be a lesbian.  Mainly because I'm a guy.  I figure gays can do what they want, but I don't have to support the decision of homosexuality.  Is it not fair for me to believe something different than someone else?

Also, I'm fine with coexisting with gays and such.  They are people, too (with feelings and such).  All I am saying is that personally I think it's wrong.

lalaalalaa wrote: Also, I'm fine with coexisting with gays and such.  They are people, too (with feelings and such).  All I am saying is that personally I think it's wrong.
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Yes you already made it perfectly clear you think people doing something else than you are wrong. But if the bible had said it was sinful to have sex with the opposite sex and perfectly alright to have gay-sex, you would have loved the gays.

lalaalalaa wrote: Also, I'm fine with coexisting with gays and such.  They are people, too (with feelings and such).  All I am saying is that personally I think it's wrong.

And, as someone who identifies with no religion, I'm fine coexisting with Christians "and such." They are people, too (with feelings "and such"). All I am saying is that personally, I think it's fucking stupid to place judgment on the way another person lives their life if it doesn't affect you in any way (it doesn't). Oh, and "I think it's wrong," too. Which isn't something all Christians do ( there are - GASP - homosexual, and - SCREAM - transsexual people who consider themselves Christians), but the ones who do the anti-LGBT bible thumpin' are the ones who piss everyone else off because they're applying their own beliefs (which may or may not even be true) to the behavior of people whom they have nothing to do with.

Also, I don't know how relevant this is, but... If I recall correctly, one of the books that "condemns" homosexuality is Leviticus, a book of the Old Testament, with the frequently cited line about "If a man lie with a man as he would with a woman, they have both sinned, they must both be put to death, their blood will be upon themselves, blah blah." The Old Testament, right? So you're also aware that in another book of the Old Testament (Deuteronomy, was it?) it's considered an abomination to wear clothing of mixed fibers. By Biblical law, you're also required to build a railing on your roof so that if, perchance, some dumbass happens to fall off your roof and die, you won't be held accountable.  Do you abide by these rules too? Do you consider it an abomination when you wear an ugly turtleneck with a cotton/poly blend? Does it burden your  conscience that you don't have a railing on your roof in the event that someone should climb up there and accidentally fall off and die? I should hope so, since if you're going to act like your Christian beliefs are what make you believe homosexuality is wrong, you should very well be following all the rules of the scripture, right?! The Bible isn't a buffet with different dishes that you can pick and choose depending on what YOU want to live your life by.

Alright, people.  Just forget it.  You can keep talking if you want, but I'm done with this.  Just let this topic die (which reminds me, we need an option to delete topics)

lalaalalaa wrote: Alright, people.  Just forget it.  You can keep talking if you want, but I'm done with this.  Just let this topic die (which reminds me, we need an option to delete topics)

That's a good defense tactic. When you realize your point of view is a pile of shit, just make a pathetic attempt at ending the discussion you started when you made an insensitive, ignorant statement.

No, I'm just tired of this crap.  I'm getting a migrane.  I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off.

lalaalalaa wrote: No, I'm just tired of this crap.  I'm getting a migrane.  I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off.

Don't worry, we'll keep bumping this topic every once in a while just to remind people of how narrow minded you are. You're welcome.

lalaalalaa wrote: No, I'm just tired of this crap.  I'm getting a migrane.  I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off.

Migraine*
Nobody's trying to change your beliefs. We're just presenting you with a logical argument that, were you an open-minded and intellectual person (which clearly isn't the case), would benefit you and prevent you from looking like a bigoted idiot in the long run. Whether or not you're receptive to the argument is your own problem (and also reflects on your intelligence), but, as I've said before –– don't expect to make a remark like the one you made (which, by the way, was completely uncalled for as nobody was even discussing homosexuality till you brought it up) and not be confronted about it. This is the internet, not a middle school debate club. If you don't like what's being said to you then get off. 

PLENTY of people who "believe in the Bible" don't have the narrow-minded views you have on sexuality. Are you going to try and say they're less Christian than you are? Because I'm sure they'd beg to differ.

Sergei. wrote: lalaalalaa wrote: No, I'm just tired of this crap.  I'm getting a migrane.  I believe in the Bible and there's nothing you can do to change my mind so just back off.

Migraine*
Nobody's trying to change your beliefs. We're just presenting you with a logical argument that, were you an open-minded and intellectual person (which clearly isn't the case), would benefit you and prevent you from looking like a bigoted idiot in the long run. Whether or not you're receptive to the argument is your own problem (and also reflects on your intelligence), but, as I've said before –– don't expect to make a remark like the one you made (which, by the way, was completely uncalled for as nobody was even discussing homosexuality till you brought it up) and not be confronted about it. This is the internet, not a middle school debate club. If you don't like what's being said to you then get off. 

PLENTY of people who "believe in the Bible" don't have the narrow-minded views you have on sexuality. Are you going to try and say they're less Christian than you are? Because I'm sure they'd beg to differ.

1. lifetimefanofqueen brought it up.  I just responded to it.  Either way, we are all responsible for keeping this conversation going
2. What's narrow-minded about my views on homosexuality?  I simply don't believe that it is right.  I'm not trying to insult anybody or anything like that.  I'm just sharing my views
3. thanks for pointing out my typo.
4. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong and I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God.
5. Keep talking if you wish.  I'm going to go now.  Bye.

lalaalalaa wrote:

1. lifetimefanofqueen brought it up.  I just responded to it.  Either way, we are all responsible for keeping this conversation going
2. What's narrow-minded about my views on homosexuality?  I simply don't believe that it is right.  I'm not trying to insult anybody or anything like that.  I'm just sharing my views
3. thanks for pointing out my typo.
4. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong and I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God.
5. Keep talking if you wish.  I'm going to go now.  Bye.

I'll answer in cute numbered bullets just like you did!
 1.) The only one who's adamant on making this "conversation" go away is you, for obvious reasons. 
2.) Because Christians like you who say things like "I simply don't believe that it is right" and try to use the Bible to deem homosexuality to be an "alternative lifestyle choice" (and a bad one at that) are the ones who keep gay and lesbian Christians from feeling comfortable with who they are –– homosexual AND Christian –– even though they KNOW their sexuality isn't a choice. Yet they feel torn between their religion and their sexuality because they're afraid being openly gay will somehow make them a BAD Christian, which leads to alienation of friends and family who have these views, resulting in low self esteem, misery, depression, and altogether leading an unsatisfactory, unfulfilled life. These people should NOT have to feel this way simply because they get the impression from people like yourself that it's wrong to be homosexual, and that, therefore, being homosexual and Christian is just unheard of. What gives you the right to try to take away someone else's happiness or self-esteem? 
3.) Spell-check should have pointed it before me –– you should pay attention to the red dotted line next time, or maybe you're colourblind?
4.) You still didn't address my point about following ALL of the Bible, now, did you?
5.) You said that on page 2 of this topic, yet you continue to respond to my and other people's posts. But you can go ahead and stop talking if you want. You've already made a pretty big doofus of yourself. "Bye."