1. lifetimefanofqueen brought it up. I just responded to it. Either way, we are all responsible for keeping this conversation going 2. What's narrow-minded about my views on homosexuality? I simply don't believe that it is right. I'm not trying to insult anybody or anything like that. I'm just sharing my views 3. thanks for pointing out my typo. 4. The Bible clearly states that homosexuality is wrong and I believe that the Bible is the inspired word of God. 5. Keep talking if you wish. I'm going to go now. Bye.
I'll answer in cute numbered bullets just like you did! 1.) The only one who's adamant on making this "conversation" go away is you, for obvious reasons. 2.) Because Christians like you who say things like "I simply don't believe that it is right" and try to use the Bible to deem homosexuality to be an "alternative lifestyle choice" (and a bad one at that) are the ones who keep gay and lesbian Christians from feeling comfortable with who they are –– homosexual AND Christian –– even though they KNOW their sexuality isn't a choice. Yet they feel torn between their religion and their sexuality because they're afraid being openly gay will somehow make them a BAD Christian, which leads to alienation of friends and family who have these views, resulting in low self esteem, misery, depression, and altogether leading an unsatisfactory, unfulfilled life. These people should NOT have to feel this way simply because they get the impression from people like yourself that it's wrong to be homosexual, and that, therefore, being homosexual and Christian is just unheard of. What gives you the right to try to take away someone else's happiness or self-esteem? 3.) Spell-check should have pointed it before me –– you should pay attention to the red dotted line next time, or maybe you're colourblind? 4.) You still didn't address my point about following ALL of the Bible, now, did you? 5.) You said that on page 2 of this topic, yet you continue to respond to my and other people's posts. But you can go ahead and stop talking if you want. You've already made a pretty big doofus of yourself. "Bye."
I'm not making any homosexual Christian uncomfortable. I'm not going around torching homosexuality, I'm just saying I simply don't think it's right. I just want everyone to get along. But it's hard to do that when everybody is (in my eyes) overly sensitive.
P.S. I don't usually use Spell Check.
Sergei. · Member since
The spell check is automatic. + You said you were going to stop talking and you didn't. That makes you a liar. Lying is a sin. You know what happens to sinners.
lalaalalaa · Member since
The spell check isn't automatic on my computer.
I didn't lie as much as I did change my mind. Don't worry, though. I can guarantee you that I will sin again before the night is over. Speaking of which, if homosexuals choose to ask forgiveness then I see nothing wrong. But if they deliberately go against God that makes them disobediant children.
Sergei. · Member since
In other words, you expect that homosexuals must fight their (natural) sexual urges and refuse to allow their sexual leanings to physically manifest themselves in spite of their feelings. In the same way that you could have stopped talking in spite of your urge to respond.
lalaalalaa · Member since
In all honesty, I don't know what God wants of us. I'm only human (and I'm surely no prophet)
user name · Member since
>lalaalalaa wrote:
>In all honesty, I don't know what God wants of us. I'm only human (and I'm surely no prophet)
Then stop judging others on that basis. For all you know, God could so much as prefer homosexuals, and there isn't an iota of evidence that suggests either way. Er...that is, if we make the simply ludicrous assumption that there exists such a "god."
Bonus Protip: Never make an appeal to nature - it just proves you to be an idiot, and we certainly wouldn't want that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature
lalaalalaa · Member since
user name wrote: >lalaalalaa wrote:
>In all honesty, I don't know what God wants of us. I'm only human (and I'm surely no prophet)
Then stop judging others on that basis. For all you know, God could so much as prefer homosexuals, and there isn't an iota of evidence that suggests either way. Er...that is, if we make the simply ludicrous assumption that there exists such a "god."
Bonus Protip: Never make an appeal to nature - it just proves you to be an idiot, and we certainly wouldn't want that.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Appeal_to_nature Have you ever even read the Bible?
Wow... lalalalalaa, i think maybe what u meant when u said initially about 'tolerating' homosexuality everywhere, was maybe that u dislike having ppls sexuality shoved in your face? It SOUNDED like u were saying u want homosexuality banned or something, but based on what ur saying in the last few posts, i think maybe ur first post just came out sounding a lot stronger then u meant it. If u have no problem with gay ppl, but simply believe that it is sin, then i dont see how that is intolerant, really. I assume that u also believe that uncommitted straight sex is wrong, and nobody is going to torch u for that, as long as u arent going around abusing ppl because of it. To me, disagreeiing with something is not 'intolerant' as such, but impingiing on ppls rights IS. So believe what u want, but dont deny ppl their rights while u believe it. I have friends who do things that i believe are wrong or even evil. It doesnt affect our friendship. They can believe what they want, i can believe what i want, and we choose to respect each others beliefs. I feel that tolerance does not mean that i have to believe that they are right, just that i will respect their choices and value them as people equal to me, with the same rights as me. There are ppl who feel that my lifestyle has some parts to it that are wrong, and if they are respectful, it doesnt bother me that they disagree with me, as long as they dont go around condemning me and pressuring me to be like them. And if they do, then yes, it does bother me, obviously. So i think its equally intolerant to be torching lalalalaa when he is now trying to back down a bit. I know the first post was very strong, and i reacted to that also. BUT if he didnt actually mean it to be as strong as it sounded, then maybe its time to give him a break. We all say things more strongly then we intend to sometimes, and he's young. And i believe that he has the right to believe what he wants to, as long as it isnt hurting anyone. And i knwo u can argue that negative attitudes to homosexuality contribute to a culture of repression and pain for (perticularly) young gays trying to make sense of whats happening and trying to come out, and facing huge societal pressure to conform. But frankly, like i said, i have friends who i totally disagree with some of their lifestyle choices and it DOES NOT interfere in our friendship. And i mean that, and ppl could back me up on it too, its not like the conservative 'i dont judge u, God does, and i love u but ur wrong' attitude. Equally, i have friends who totally disagree with some stuff in my life and again it DOES NOT interfere with our friendship. You dont have to agree with everything to be supportive. And now IM going to get torched. :(
lalaalalaa · Member since
Thanks, catqueen. Someone finally gets it.
My friends saw a billboard that showed the nativity scene and it said "You know it's a myth". Has nothing to do with gays or anything, but still. It'd be nice if everyone just left everyone else alone.
user name · Member since
That's nonsense. To say "to each his own," so long as one does not infringe upon the rights of others - well, that's a great legal standard, but a poor ethical standard. Contrary to popular belief, opinions are subject to the rigors of logic and reason. If an opinion is not internally consistent, or if it is based upon incorrect assumptions, it is wrong, plain and simple. Likewise, one must apply the rigors of logic and reason to his own personal morality.
Therefore, one cannot simply say, "X is wrong because the Bible says so," unless one is willing to also say, "Every wrong stipulated in the Bible is held to be wrong by me as well." Read that letter to Dr. Laura - do you agree with every line therein? If not, you cannot use this as a moral justification. What about, "X is wrong because it is unnatural?" Well, do you eschew all that is unnatural? Of course not. That's impossible. However, notwithstanding that, you have absolutely no justification to establish that natural = good and unnatural = bad. That conclusion is completely nonsensical.
So what, may I ask, arguments could possibly be left to condemn homosexuality as immoral, as a sin, or as just plain wrong? You CANNOT simply say it's wrong because it's wrong, because that is incontrovertible proof that you yourself are wrong. That's called begging the question, or circular reasoning.
Don't be stupid. If you cannot comprehensively rebut this argument, on this forum or even in your mind, just realize that you are wrong, and it's as simple as that.
lalaalalaa · Member since
Opinions aren't wrong. You either agree with them or you don't. There's a big difference.
This ancient example of racial interbreeding is unnatural and disgusting. How dare those phucking Denisovans get it on with our Homo-sapien chicks. It's wrong I tells ya!
Clearly these so-called scientists are wrong about why the other 3 races of humanoids died out. Obviously they, along with the dinosaurs, just weren't fast enough to make it onto Noah's Ark. Although why Velociraptors didn't make it is beyond me. They were fast little buggers.
Sergei. · Member since
lalaalalaa wrote: Opinions aren't wrong. You either agree with them or you don't. There's a big difference.
I just find it extremely strange that the only people who really try their damnedest to assert that homosexuality is a choice are always heterosexual. I mean, how in the hell would you know for sure whether or not homosexuality is a choice if you're not a homosexual yourself? There are, I'm sure, plenty of homosexual people out there who, if asked, would say that if they could change their sexuality completely so that they could be "straight," they'd do it in a heartbeat.
Also, I'm sure you've heard this before, but: Did you choose to be straight? I'm sure your answer will be something along the lines of "No, but that's because it's natural for people to be heterosexual, they don't have to make the decision to be that way." In which case you'd be going right down the road of the "appeal to nature" argument –– that's a pretty lame ass excuse for an argument. You don't know what the fuck is natural and what isn't. If homosexuality isn't natural, why is there scientific proof that penguins and dolphins (and a myriad of other animals) display homosexual behavior in their natural habitats, evident from birth? Do you think homosexual tendencies are a choice among wild animals too? Or do you just deny the fact that evidence like that even exists (in the same way that some Christians love acting like the dinosaurs didn't exist in spite of fossils, bones, teeth, etc. that suggest otherwise)?
lalaalalaa · Member since
I've had many homosexual tendencies, but I try my best to stay straight and I still have as happy of a life as possible. I was never normal to begin with though. I have Asperger's Syndrome and on top of that I have depression (runs in the family). I'm currently trying to break a bad habit that I'm having trouble with now. From where I see things, Christianity isn't a bad thing, just a religion with bad people. Christianity teaches lots of good things (Love your neighbor, don't steal, don't kill, and you know the rest).
