Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote:
"And cause they were real musicians and made real songs themselves (at least Freddie did)" the ones controlling were forced to deal with them
Ha... you believe Queen's record label wasn't controlling them in the 80s, telling them to make hits?
"Basically they have ruined the stage for real musicians to flourish. Real musicians cant make it today just because of the hijack that is made."
There are plenty of musicians who make it today. Just because you don't like them doesn't mean they haven't made it. The Roots have made it. You haven't. I rest my case.
Thistle · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistle: Look commercial success has NOTHING to do with talent, just look at music today and you know that its true. Offcourse freddie has been out of tune and other things when recording for example Bohrap, but thats not the point , that is just part of singing.
Im talking talent wise, freddie compare to the rest of the band cant be compared. If you look at the songwriting on the Barcelona album and compare it to brian and rogers, its simply MUCH more talented writing, noone can deny it. =============================================================================================
Freddie didn't write the majority of the Barcelona tracks. And your point is rendered POINTLESS when you think of it this way - Yes, Freddie was a better singer than the rest, but Brian was a better guitarist than the rest, Roger a better drummer than the rest and John a better bassist than the rest. All of those elements are an essential part of the Queen sound, and therefore each of their talents made the group, making them equals. Songwriting wise, the others contributed just as much as Freddie, and each got their fair share of "hits" - both commercially AND from a critical point of view. What don't you get about this?
YannickJoker · Member since
I must admit some of the things you pointed out in your list were wrong, thistleboy. For example, Freddie solo didn't flop at all in 1988, The Great Pretender was a huge hit and so was Barcelona. Like somebody else pointed out, Freddie co-wrote Innuendo. And the 5ive song was released in 2000, not in 1995.
Thistle · Member since
mike hunt wrote (about Thistleboy):
bullshit post my friend........first of all Innuendo was written by Mercury and talyor......you just proved that the original poster was right afterall.....you said freddie decided to change Queens sound for hot space?....so you're saying freddie was the leader of the group?....didn't the other 3 equal members have a say in that situation?.....doesn't sound like they were 25% by what you're saying........also, freddie wasn't duff without Queen, barcelona ranks with the best Imo. Brian wasn't duff without Queen, he had some good moments outside of the band. Even roger had some good moments. Of course they were best together, but we all know that by now. =============================================================================================
So you choose 3 points from the many I made and claim I'm talking bullshit? Now THAT is bullshit. Let me just say, Mike, that I think Amir just runs his mouth without knowing what he's talking about really - so I threw in a couple of red herrings just to see if he'd pick up on them (i.e Innuendo and Hot Space), and guess what - he didn't. Also, regardless of you liking Barcelona, and a handful of other tracks here and there (as it happens I agree), that is just your/our opinion - at the end of the day they still flopped without each other. The point is Queen weren't just Freddie, they were 4 equals.
Thistle · Member since
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it. =============================================================================================
Well fecking said.
Thistle · Member since
YannickJoker wrote: I must admit some of the things you pointed out in your list were wrong, thistleboy. For example, Freddie solo didn't flop at all in 1988, The Great Pretender was a huge hit and so was Barcelona. Like somebody else pointed out, Freddie co-wrote Innuendo. And the 5ive song was released in 2000, not in 1995. =============================================================================================
I've already answered to that. And you being pedantic doesn't exactly harm the essennce of the argument, which is that they all needed each other to be Queen.
Mercuryking · Member since
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it.
Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing.
Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill.
And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter..
Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak.
YannickJoker · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote:
I've already answered to that. And you being pedantic doesn't exactly harm the essennce of the argument, which is that they all needed each other to be Queen. ===
If you'd read what I said you'd have known I agree with you.
Mercuryking · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistle: Look commercial success has NOTHING to do with talent, just look at music today and you know that its true. Offcourse freddie has been out of tune and other things when recording for example Bohrap, but thats not the point , that is just part of singing.
Im talking talent wise, freddie compare to the rest of the band cant be compared. If you look at the songwriting on the Barcelona album and compare it to brian and rogers, its simply MUCH more talented writing, noone can deny it. =============================================================================================
Freddie didn't write the majority of the Barcelona tracks. And your point is rendered POINTLESS when you think of it this way - Yes, Freddie was a better singer than the rest, but Brian was a better guitarist than the rest, Roger a better drummer than the rest and John a better bassist than the rest. All of those elements are an essential part of the Queen sound, and therefore each of their talents made the group, making them equals. Songwriting wise, the others contributed just as much as Freddie, and each got their fair share of "hits" - both commercially AND from a critical point of view. What don't you get about this?
Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him.
Thistle · Member since
Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case.
Thistle · Member since
YannickJoker wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote:
I've already answered to that. And you being pedantic doesn't exactly harm the essennce of the argument, which is that they all needed each other to be Queen. ===
If you'd read what I said you'd have known I agree with you. =============================================================================================
What did I miss? Looks like you just picked up on stuff I got wrong (deliberately, btw) on the list.
Burn On Dakota · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it.
Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing.
Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill.
And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter..
Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. ==============================
Sooo you consider yourself a real musician, that gives you the right to judge her? Ok well by that logic, I’ve been playing guitar since age 7, im now 30.. I consider myself a real musician; and I say, you sir are NOT a real musician, now nullifying your ability to judge her. Game over son!
Ps. you played the Illuminati card?? You just lost any credibility that you had achieved.
YannickJoker · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote:
What did I miss? Looks like you just picked up on stuff I got wrong (deliberately, btw) on the list. ====
No you said that what I was pedantically correcting wasn't harming the essence as if I was trying to argue against it, I was just pointing out some mistakes but agreeing with your main point.
Mercuryking · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case.
Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo.
If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not.
What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are.
Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie.
