They all have been Queen. There is no doubt abut it. But today the music bussines is diferent. And maybe this is not the choice by Brian.
I am glad that the group is still alive and popular. But i am a litlle angry and disappointed because they have not issued an album (live album) from early period.
Greetings!
Arnaldo "Ogre-" Silveira · Member since
Well, I think Brian and Roger had a worse production when Freddie joined them, at first. Smile was great, and then Larry Lurex was rubbish.
They only recovered for the proper albuns as Queen.
Then, for me, Freddie is the guy who spoiled the sound of Smile for a while. But... some years later he became a real driving force and a creative genious that further shaped the Queen sound as we know it, along with Brian, Roger and John. It could not have happened without any of them.
Cheers,
Ogre-
john bodega · Member since
I think it's true of really talented people - the successes are truly awesome ones, and the failures are on a grand scale. Freddie sure put some shit out into the airwaves, but his BEST stuff? I will hold that up against anything. The guy was brilliant.
He wasn't Queen though. Most important or vital member? Probably - that's a matter of opinion, but literally speaking he was not the band, in and of himself. It's quite simple. Funny how his solo songs were way better once they wound up on Made in Heaven.
kruh · Member since
Excatly, Zebonka 12!!!
mike hunt · Member since
Zebonka12 wrote: I think it's true of really talented people - the successes are truly awesome ones, and the failures are on a grand scale. Freddie sure put some shit out into the airwaves, but his BEST stuff? I will hold that up against anything. The guy was brilliant.
He wasn't Queen though. Most important or vital member? Probably - that's a matter of opinion, but literally speaking he was not the band, in and of himself. It's quite simple. Funny how his solo songs were way better once they wound up on Made in Heaven.
funny how one ignorant person starts the thread.....Then others chime in and feel the need to be equally ignorant by putting down the lead singer.....you're post is right on target.
mike hunt · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: And yet nobody can answer how come they havent done one real good queen song since Noone but you.... interesting.
Offcourse the others were a great asset to the band but you cant compare them to Freddie, i mean you just cant. I wouldnt have said this if i didnt think it was the truth. Stop labeling them all as equally talented cause they werent, while brian ,roger and john were talented they were nowhere close to freddie cause fredde was really a one of a kind.
I'm going to blow your argument out of the water, right here, right now. Now, I can't believe I am actually doing this, and saying this about one of my heroes, BUT:
1966 - listen to Roger with The Reaction (similar quality tape to the Ibex one) - awesome vocals, great covers (Roger) 1969 - listen to the Ibex show - shit vocals, shit covers (Freddie)
1969 - listen to the Wreckage tapes - shit vocals, shit song, shit instrumentals (Freddie, without Brian and Roger) 1969 - listen to 1984/Smile - nice songs, nice arrangements, great guitar riffs, neat drums, beautiful vocals (Brian and Roger with Tim and without Freddie)
1970 - NOW they come together, but without John. FOUR fucking bass players before him until they got it RIGHT.
1972-74- John arrives - music becomes tighter, production becomes better, Freddie grows in confidence, has a great band behind him and BOOM!!!! What follows is that we then have great albums like Queen, Queen II, SHA. Queen mainly known as a studio band, but have a regular tour following. Some great shows (from what we know is available), but also some hit and miss ones.
1975 - A Night At The Opera - critically acclaimed as the best of the Queen catalogue, each of the hits came from individuals, NOT just Freddie.
1975 - BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY - international super-hit, moment of genius, all the plaudits and superlatives known have been thrown at it BUT listen to the demos and out-takes, Freddie very much out of tune. Shows what can be done in a studio. Musically great. One of the best guitar solos of all time. BUT wouldn't have got anywhere at all hadn't it been for KENNY EVERETT.
1975/76 - Queen already 5 albums into the catalogue and a huge touring attraction BUT listen to some of the vocals from some of the shows we know: some shaky moments in Hammy '75 and definitely in Hyde Park '76. Musically, with Brian, Roger and John, absolutely solid.
1977 - Roger ventures into solo material. FLOP. Queen-wise, News of The World fairly successful, brings us two massive stadium anthems in Rock You and Champions, one of which being written by Brian. Queen now a massive touring force.
1978/79 - Brings us a Queen tour that we all want to see many official releases from. AOBTD comes from JOHN. Save Me comes from BRIAN.
1981 - Queen get a second number one, with a little help from a certain Mr. Bowie.
1982 - FREDDIE wants to change the sound a little. Brings us the album we all love to hate (and hate to love). The beginning of the end of Queen in the US.
1983/85 - Brian and Freddie venture into solo material. FLOP. Queen have a fairly successful album in The Works, with the 4 biggest hits of the album coming from EACH of the Queen members respectively. Queen on tour again, but in a tour where, retrospectively, Freddie is panned for terrible vocals.
1985 - LIVE AID - Queen steal the show and are back on the radar. That's QUEEN, not Freddie.
1986 - A Kind Of Magic - arguably the best tracks of the album came from Roger, Brian and John.
1986 - Magic Tour - retrospectively criticised for poor vocals and setlist.
1988 - Freddie back on the solo trail. Apart from Barcelona, FLOP.
1989- The Miracle. Queen share the songwriting credits and the album is not a great success. Again, the better tracks had Brian and Roger written all over them.
1991 - Innuendo. A fan favourite, spawns two number ones, neither written by Freddie.
1992/94 - Roger and Brian do some solo stuff after Freddie's death. FLOP.
1993 - A Posthumous number 1 for Freddie FROM A REMIX.
1995 - Made In Heaven - apart from some re-hashed vocals, no input from Freddie. Production values have John written all over them. Result = nice album, great Queen sound.
Around this period, Queen get another number one (with 5ive) WITH A BRIAN TRACK.
1997 - No One But You - the last input from John, a nice track as far as the fans are concerned. Reasonable success, the Queen sound remains (and without Freddie).
1998 - Electric Fir. FLOP
1999 - Another World. FLOP.
2000+ = MASSIVE FLOP.
Conclusion - Freddie was duff without Queen (and sometimes with them), and the remaining members are duff without him. Result = EQUALS.
The only way any of them could write good music was to bounce off EACH OTHER.
Hope this explains it enough?
bullshit post my friend........first of all Innuendo was written by Mercury and talyor......you just proved that the original poster was right afterall.....you said freddie decided to change Queens sound for hot space?....so you're saying freddie was the leader of the group?....didn't the other 3 equal members have a say in that situation?.....doesn't sound like they were 25% by what you're saying........also, freddie wasn't duff without Queen, barcelona ranks with the best Imo. Brian wasn't duff without Queen, he had some good moments outside of the band. Even roger had some good moments. Of course they were best together, but we all know that by now.
Pingfah · Member since
Say what you want about Brian, he has done a lot of crap lately. But Freddie would have loved Lady Gaga.
Voice of Reason 2018 · Member since
I' m not going to read beyond page 1.
This all sounds nuts to me.
And the need to put the boot in on Lady Gaga I just don't get.
Hugowan · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote:
BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. That would have been freddies solo song with other musicians , are you still going to say that he would not have made it with that song? --------------------- Sorry man, but saying BoRap with "other" musicians would be equally great is the top of the crap i've read here from you... Obviously you know nothing about music. I wouldn't surprise to discover that you're a teen Rock Band gamer who believes it to be the best way to "learn" how to play an instrument.
Happy Hollydays
AlexRocks · Member since
Anyway in the meantime "The Cosmos Rocks" is one of the best Queen studio l.p.s. Also I LOVE Brian May's solo studio l.p. from 1993 called "Back To The Light". I can't wait for Queen + to continue doing new songs in the studio!!!
Mercuryking · Member since
Hugowan wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote:
BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. That would have been freddies solo song with other musicians , are you still going to say that he would not have made it with that song? --------------------- Sorry man, but saying BoRap with "other" musicians would be equally great is the top of the crap i've read here from you... Obviously you know nothing about music. I wouldn't surprise to discover that you're a teen Rock Band gamer who believes it to be the best way to "learn" how to play an instrument.
Happy Hollydays
You are completely right , this is one song i did while playing rockband all my years!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDu8sl4Y-e4
Mercuryking · Member since
Pingfah wrote: Say what you want about Brian, he has done a lot of crap lately. But Freddie would have loved Lady Gaga.
I certainly dont think he would have, you dont understad , almost all the artists in the mainstream music right now are NOT real artists. The record companys now own the industry and they choose what type of crap to be "popular" and they give them songs to sing like Gaga, rihanna, beyonce and the rest of the crap.
Real musicians with real talent aint allowed to be popular anymore cause those real musicians is a threat to them cause they almost always promote stuff like : be free , love etc. They dont want that , they want it all to be about money, sex and shallowness. Its all made to dumb down people with pure and utter crap.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote:
"Real musicians with real talent aint allowed to be popular anymore"
Ever heard of Radiohead? Muse? Arcade Fire? New Pornographers? The Black Keys? The National? Vampire Weekend? The Roots? All great talents, and all mainstream. You are partially right in your assertion of mainstream music and marketing, but there is so much more happening. The mainstream is very diverse nowadays. Look at the long list of artists who played at the Coachella Festival last weekend - the biggest music festival in the US. Full of brilliant talent, very little of it in the "mainstream" you describe - http://www.coachella.com/event/lineup
"Its all made to dumb down people with pure and utter crap."
These people are already dumbed down. The quality of mainstream art is a reflection of the people who take it in, not the people who create or market it. If people wanted to reject Rihanna, they would. Don't blame the marketers - they are just selling a product for people to consume, the same way McDonalds sells a new hamburger. They are simply good businessmen like any other.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Listen to the Australian radio station Triple J and tell me there's nothing good happening..
http://www.abc.net.au/triplej
Here's the station's top 100 songs of 2010. How many of them have you heard?
One of the biggest bands in Australia right now is called The Cat Empire. They are a ska band, but kind of like Chicago with a reggae singer. Do you even know who Chicago was, what a good horn section sounds like, or even what reggae is?
I'd argue that people have much better taste in music now than they did 10 years ago. With the internet so readily available, it is very easy to find good music. Only an utter fool would say nobody is exposed to talent these days.
Mercuryking · Member since
SirGH: Well i agree and disagree with you, there are talented musicians out there but they are very few of them which get in mainstream. Those bands you mentioned is not my coup of tea (even though i like that Muse tries to wake people up with their lyrics)
This is what i believe. Back when we had real artists like queen and michael jackson etc, that was not something that they who run everything liked very much. Cause both forexample Freddie and Michael had messages of Freedom and Love. And cause they were real musicians and made real songs themselves (at least Freddie did) the ones controlling were forced to deal with them. Now that they are all gone , they came up with an new idea: Lets just take some ordinary people and give them fame and we give them songs that WE would like to be out there with OUR message, and thereby we have the control instead of a Freddie Mercury with millions of fans promoting FREEDOM AND LOVE.
No now instead we can spread whatever content we like , like sex , money etc without any problem.
You see , when you got a person thats not really an musician, its very easy to control this person, that person will go along with whatever you give or say to them cause they love the fame and the money that comes along with being a singer, musician.
Basically they have ruined the stage for real musicians to flourish. Real musicians cant make it today just because of the hijack that is made.
