mike hunt wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions.
If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion.
Freddie wasn't the greatest musician around....his piano playing was average. wasn't a very good guitarist, couldn't play drums or the bass very well. He was a great singer after years of developing. A great songwriter for sure and entertainer of course, but he wasn't perfect by any means, you should Just stop now.... ==================================================================== Again im not talking about how good on his instrument he was or how you must be the most technical player in the world. Im talking about his genius sense for music , for melodies, for structure , for singing , for feeling,energi, cleverness, just plain and simple the greatest musicianto have ever lived.
Mercuryking · Member since
mike hunt wrote:
Funny thing about his solo work.....whenever I lend out lover of life, singer of songs to somebody they enjoy it almost as much as Queen. It seems around here his solo stuff is hated, but many people from where I'm standing love it. Just saying.
You just proved it yourself right there without even thinking about it. People see freddies songs as queen yet brian or rogers songs are just some ordinary bands songs.
jpf · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case.
Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo.
If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not.
What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are.
Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. ---
When I watch the making of "One Vision" Freddie looks like the clueless one, along with John. "One Vision" was Roger's song to begin with.
Mercuryking · Member since
When I watch the making of "One Vision" Freddie looks like the clueless one, along with John. "One Vision" was Roger's song to begin with.
=========================================================================================== Yea maybe the lyrics part but did you miss when he was pointing out to brian how to play the riff and how he told roger to play the drums? Now wouldnt they both know what and how they should play their own instruments if they were all equally good? How come it is freddie that knows how it should sound and not roger and brian?
I think freddie was being nice when he said that they were all equal.
jpf · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions.
If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion. ---
There are better songwriters and singers out there. Freddie could be great and he could be shit. He wasn't the best.
Thistle · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: I have seen Freddie guide brian on how to play the riff on One vision and i have seen him guide Roger on the drums. That right there is more evidence that you come up with. You claim that its not that way without any evidence yet i give you visual evidence of it being true.
Dan brown? Never even heard of him ,but what does that have to do with anything? I got into these stuff by alex jones and david icke, both speak the truth. Does'nt matter how one heard about something, we all hear stuff from someone else. Point is that its true, she is an illuminati puppet.
Its not that i dont understand what you are saying , its just that i dont agree with it. Its a big difference. So either someone has to agree with whatever you say or you just stop talking about it anymore? Thats a bit weird, almost like ur afraid that if you continue talking that maybe you might change your mind or something.
One thing though , you can never deny truth , truth always wins in the end.
OK, just for you, I'll answer. The reason why I said was done was because it is pointless trying to get through to you, but as you're creating a picture of me that simply isn't true, I'll come back in.
I never said that I won't speak to people who don't agree - every day, at some point, someone will have a different opinion from me, that's life, and it doesn't stop me from talking with them. But there's a huge difference between disagreeing and trying to force opinions on folk, like the way you do.
Back on topic, I have pointed you in teh direction off where to get the footage that supports what I am saying. I have also seen the footage that you're talking about, and it doesn't come across that the other guys don't know what they're doing - Freddie is just telling them what he would LIKE to hear, NOT what they MUST play.
And no, I won't change my opinion - all four members of Queen are equals, and are talented in different ways - that's what makes them a band. Freddie is no better or no worse than the other members.
Truth does always win in the end, and I believe the truth is that you are Max using Amir's sign on, or have become just as arrogant and pushy as him.
jpf · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: mike hunt wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case.
lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. =========================================================================
The rest of the band is good dont get me wrong but they are nowhere near freddie, you just cant say they are equally good cause its not the truth and YOU know it. If they were equally good then AGAIN how come we havent seen that in the past 20 years?? You understand how long time that is. Thats Queens whole lifespan.
I guarantee you that if freddie would have lived 20 more years that we would have seen a BUNCH of epic songs coming from him.
Being diplomatic may make you sound good, but it is not the truth.
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Where where all of those epic songs from Freddie in the '80s? Roger and John were the ones writing the biggest hits in the '80s.
jpf · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: When I watch the making of "One Vision" Freddie looks like the clueless one, along with John. "One Vision" was Roger's song to begin with.
=========================================================================================== Yea maybe the lyrics part but did you miss when he was pointing out to brian how to play the riff and how he told roger to play the drums? Now wouldnt they both know what and how they should play their own instruments if they were all equally good? How come it is freddie that knows how it should sound and not roger and brian?
I think freddie was being nice when he said that they were all equal. ----
No, he was getting recording levels and sound when he was asking Roger to play. "One Vision" is all about Roger's song and Brian's riff.
You really are delusional and really don't know anything about this band.
mike hunt · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: mike hunt wrote:
lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. =============================================================================================
I am not discrediting Freddie, I am merely saying that he wasn't the be all and end all - he was not single handedly responsible for all Queen's success. I have used my points to illustrate that, not to diss Freddie. If you read back, I did also say that they were equals in my opinion, but Amir wanted reasons for my thinking, so I again have pointed out why the others were as important. And yes, I have heard the box and, yes, I can hear Freddie's ideas - but again, he was not the only reason why Barcelona was a great album i(n the eyes of the fans). There's no bullshit about what I wrote, I think you'll find there's plenty of hard fact in it all (apart from the red herrings I threw in to catch Amir out).
That's all you did in you're writings was give all four equal credit when they succeeded, but gave freddie all the credit when they failed with hot space......Instead of saying, yea, I heard freddie at least co wrote The Barcelona album and all his ideas coming to reality on the boxset (proof my friend) Instead, you hint that freddie's name shouldn't even be on the album because he didn't write most of it. I get the fact they were four talented musicians, freddie was 1/4th of the band, but how is John Deacon who wrote 10% of the material Equal to freddie and Brian who wrote much much more?.... was he a equal Influence?...he wasn't. He contributed great things to the band, and maybe Queen never make if they didn't find him, but still not equal. I'm a fan of all four members, We all have opinions and a favorite member. My opinion is they were all important, and contributed great things to the band, but freddie and maybe Brian were the most important. That's not a diss to roger and John. Both were solid......John wrote some of my favorite Songs.
OK, just for you, I'll answer. The reason why I said was done was because it is pointless trying to get through to you, but as you're creating a picture of me that simply isn't true, I'll come back in.
I never said that I won't speak to people who don't agree - every day, at some point, someone will have a different opinion from me, that's life, and it doesn't stop me from talking with them. But there's a huge difference between disagreeing and trying to force opinions on folk, like the way you do.
Back on topic, I have pointed you in teh direction off where to get the footage that supports what I am saying. I have also seen the footage that you're talking about, and it doesn't come across that the other guys don't know what they're doing - Freddie is just telling them what he would LIKE to hear, NOT what they MUST play.
And no, I won't change my opinion - all four members of Queen are equals, and are talented in different ways - that's what makes them a band. Freddie is no better or no worse than the other members.
Truth does always win in the end, and I believe the truth is that you are Max using Amir's sign on, or have become just as arrogant and pushy as him.
=========================================================================== Naw im not forcing anything on anyone man. Im just saying the truth , noone can compete with him and you know it. If not then show me someone that can compete with him and damn i would be shocked ouf of my mind.
Its funny how everyone here kinda has to agree with eachother just so that they feel that they are in the gang so to speak. People fear to express stuff , everybody here are so apathetic, never having an extreme side just always in the middle, trying to be all political. WELL thats a bullshit way to be in my oppinion.
Thistle · Member since
Look Mike, all I'm going to say is that because I didn't say it all the way you would have doesn't make me wrong. Sure, it doesn't make me right, but YOU don't dictate the way someone puts an argument across. Like I say, some of the things were put in there just to catch Amir/Max out - if he had come back with the same argument you did RE Hot Space and to an extent Barcelona (which was a great, valid comeback btw), then he would have beat his own argument and that was my aim. But he didn't, because he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, he's just over opinionated. My opinions may not exactly be the correct ones, but at least I can state why I think that way, on my own - not what you want me to say, or believe I should have said.
Mercuryking · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Look Mike, all I'm going to say is that because I didn't say it all the way you would have doesn't make me wrong. Sure, it doesn't make me right, but YOU don't dictate the way someone puts an argument across. Like I say, some of the things were put in there just to catch Amir/Max out - if he had come back with the same argument you did RE Hot Space and to an extent Barcelona (which was a great, valid comeback btw), then he would have beat his own argument and that was my aim. But he didn't, because he doesn't actually know what he's talking about, he's just over opinionated. My opinions may not exactly be the correct ones, but at least I can state why I think that way, on my own - not what you want me to say, or believe I should have said. ========================================================================= How would i beat my own argument if i said what he said. What mike said was more in favor of the fact that freddie was indeed the most important part of queen with brian maybe second
Listen you are no better in what you do , i could make a case that you state your oppinion as fact too. You are talking like it is for sure that they are all equals and that im 100% wrong.
Thistle · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote:
Naw im not forcing anything on anyone man. Im just saying the truth , noone can compete with him and you know it. If not then show me someone that can compete with him and damn i would be shocked ouf of my mind.
Its funny how everyone here kinda has to agree with eachother just so that they feel that they are in the gang so to speak. People fear to express stuff , everybody here are so apathetic, never having an extreme side just always in the middle, trying to be all political. WELL thats a bullshit way to be in my oppinion. =============================================================================================
But by telling someone they KNOW what you're saying is the truth IS forcing your opinion upon them, you're trying to TELL people what they think, when in actual fact they don't think that way. Where do you get off telling people they're sitting on the fence? Personally, I can honestly say that I don't allow the way others work to affect my thoughts and opinions. I think independently from everyone else, I like what I like, I don't like what I don't like and I think the way I think - NOT what you want me to think, or believe.
You can't talk in terms of people competing with Freddie, because EVERYONE will have their own opinions, whether based on commercial success or personal preference. Just because you say that Freddie can't be touched doesn't mean that this is correct. The Steve Perry argument is a great one.
Thistle · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: How would i beat my own argument if i said what he said. What mike said was more in favor of the fact that freddie was indeed the most important part of queen with brian maybe second
Listen you are no better in what you do , i could make a case that you state your oppinion as fact too. You are talking like it is for sure that they are all equals and that im 100% wrong. =============================================================================================
See, you miss the point. When I said that Freddie was solely responsible for Hot Space being shit, Mike said that wasn't the case and that the others had an equal say. Therefore, they're equals. You see, together they stand.... I did that deliberately, and if you had made the sort of statement that Mike did in that case, you would have beat your own argument.
I am not saying my opinions are fact, but they are more realistic than yours - you are TELLING people what to think.
Naw im not forcing anything on anyone man. Im just saying the truth , noone can compete with him and you know it. If not then show me someone that can compete with him and damn i would be shocked ouf of my mind.
Its funny how everyone here kinda has to agree with eachother just so that they feel that they are in the gang so to speak. People fear to express stuff , everybody here are so apathetic, never having an extreme side just always in the middle, trying to be all political. WELL thats a bullshit way to be in my oppinion. =============================================================================================
But by telling someone they KNOW what you're saying is the truth IS forcing your opinion upon them, you're trying to TELL people what they think, when in actual fact they don't think that way. Where do you get off telling people they're sitting on the fence? Personally, I can honestly say that I don't allow the way others work to affect my thoughts and opinions. I think independently from everyone else, I like what I like, I don't like what I don't like and I think the way I think - NOT what you want me to think, or believe.
You can't talk in terms of people competing with Freddie, because EVERYONE will have their own opinions, whether based on commercial success or personal preference. Just because you say that Freddie can't be touched doesn't mean that this is correct. The Steve Perry argument is a great one. I looked up Steve perry he is great but no freddie man. Okay then take it back , its just my oppinion that Mercury is the greatest.
But i still think that you are afraid to speak your true feelings, just feels like that.
