Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case.
Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo.
If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not.
What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are.
Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie.
========== You obviously have the director’s cut of the making of one vision. My version shows them all working as a group writing lyrics together, bouncing ideas of each other.
Mercuryking · Member since
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it.
Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing.
Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill.
And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter..
Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. ==============================
Sooo you consider yourself a real musician, that gives you the right to judge her? Ok well by that logic, I’ve been playing guitar since age 7, im now 30.. I consider myself a real musician; and I say, you sir are NOT a real musician, now nullifying your ability to judge her. Game over son!
Ps. you played the Illuminati card?? You just lost any credibility that you had achieved. ============================================================================== Again YES i consider myself much more of a musician than she/HE? is. You can argue that i am not but i think my songs speak for themselves on if im a real musician or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDu8sl4Y-e4
You think its all an conspiracy theory as do the rest of the sheeple, but when u wake up sometime , then you will realize how dumb you have been.
YannickJoker · Member since
Hahahahahahahahaha. The Illuminati. This discussion has ended.
Mercuryking · Member since
YannickJoker wrote: Hahahahahahahahaha. The Illuminati. This discussion has ended.
=================================================================== Yea the idea that there could exist smart evil people is ridiculous right? Your mind has ended not this discussion.
Burn On Dakota · Member since
Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife – I hate to break this to you but music is subjective,One person's noise is another person's music. You may not like Lady GaGa ( I don’t care much for her also). But who the frick are you to judge her and say she’s not a real musician? Have you actually taken the time to listen to her, or are you just making this statement based on the hype around her. I have seen a few things that she has done and while not my cup of tea, I can’t say she isn’t a true artist, she is pushing an envelope. Freddie and MJ preached “ FREEDOM AND LOVE” You really should take some time to research your arguments, GaGa, has been a huge supporter for many human rights campaign’s and her new album has a lot of themes about love and acceptance running through it.
Who am i? I consider myself a real musician thats who i am, and i dont care how much she has sold and how i have not sold nothing.
Gaga is a huge supporter for human rights... haha let me just laugh at that for a moment. Gaga is an puppet for the Illuminati , one of the groups that control and run this world and with the goal to enslave the whole human race. The signs with the eye she does all the time in her videos and she has their symbol the,All seeing eye, it can be seen on the back of the Dollar bill.
And also by the video she did with that OTHER illuminati puppet Beyonce... that really shows what good intentions she has... Poisoning peoples food and killing them symbolically , yea that is really a nice thought for an human rights supporter..
Please people , stop being so damn naive and open your eyes, you are being brainwashed as we speak. ==============================
Sooo you consider yourself a real musician, that gives you the right to judge her? Ok well by that logic, I’ve been playing guitar since age 7, im now 30.. I consider myself a real musician; and I say, you sir are NOT a real musician, now nullifying your ability to judge her. Game over son!
Ps. you played the Illuminati card?? You just lost any credibility that you had achieved. ====================== And for safety reasons I’m announcing that I am the only real musician here on this board I pronounce that none of you are true musicians. Now none of you can de-throne me
“Do you have a Flag?” “NO FLAG , NO COUNTRY”
Thistle · Member since
Mercurysingeroflife wrote:
Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo.
If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not.
What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are.
Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. =============================================================================================
No, no, no. Freddie didn't guide Brian on the guitar solos, he sent him away to work on them and Brian came back with the perfect response, all on his own. If you watch the making of NATO programme, you'll soon see. RE one vision, the guys weren't "waiting" for guidance, it's more like Freddie wasn't communicating his vision for the track too clearly, so had to wait until they played until he picked his favourite moments. Yep, granted, Freddie may have got his way on some things, but that wasn't always the case - the track placement of Queen II being a prime example.
And Lady GaGa equals illuminati? You wouldn't have even known what that was hadn't it been for Dan Brown.
You make some good points Amir, but you've also got a lot of your facts wrong. If you research more, you may come up with a stronger argument - but that's the problem, if you did research, you'll know that we're right, and you don't want to accept that.
It's very difficult to get through to you, and that's why I'm going to stop trying - you just don't understand, so it's pointless.
Mercuryking · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Mercurysingeroflife wrote:
Ok you say that without brians guitar and rogers drumming , that Borhap wouldnt be as good as it was. But have you ever thought about that maybe it was freddie that guided them on how to play? This is what im talking about , freddie was the one that knew what was good and what was not so good. He knew how the drums should sound and at which place and which tunes were good an bad in the guitar solo.
If you want proof just watch the One vision making of, clearly shows who was the man with the whole picture of the song in mind, who knew how it should sound , the others looked CLUELESS. Almost looked like they were just waiting for freddie to guide them. Another proof of that freddie was the guy in queen is that ever since he died, they cant make anything good anymore, coincident? I think not.
What im sayin is that even with songs that werent his , i believe he had a huge impact on the songs ,making them as good as they are.
Naw you clearly hear that the songs on Barcelona album is all freddie. Those classical melodies are pure freddie. =============================================================================================
No, no, no. Freddie didn't guide Brian on the guitar solos, he sent him away to work on them and Brian came back with the perfect response, all on his own. If you watch the making of NATO programme, you'll soon see. RE one vision, the guys weren't "waiting" for guidance, it's more like Freddie wasn't communicating his vision for the track too clearly, so had to wait until they played until he picked his favourite moments. Yep, granted, Freddie may have got his way on some things, but that wasn't always the case - the track placement of Queen II being a prime example.
And Lady GaGa equals illuminati? You wouldn't have even known what that was hadn't it been for Dan Brown.
You make some good points Amir, but you've also got a lot of your facts wrong. If you research more, you may come up with a stronger argument - but that's the problem, if you did research, you'll know that we're right, and you don't want to accept that.
It's very difficult to get through to you, and that's why I'm going to stop trying - you just don't understand, so it's pointless. =============================================================== I have seen Freddie guide brian on how to play the riff on One vision and i have seen him guide Roger on the drums. That right there is more evidence that you come up with. You claim that its not that way without any evidence yet i give you visual evidence of it being true.
Dan brown? Never even heard of him ,but what does that have to do with anything? I got into these stuff by alex jones and david icke, both speak the truth. Does'nt matter how one heard about something, we all hear stuff from someone else. Point is that its true, she is an illuminati puppet.
Its not that i dont understand what you are saying , its just that i dont agree with it. Its a big difference. So either someone has to agree with whatever you say or you just stop talking about it anymore? Thats a bit weird, almost like ur afraid that if you continue talking that maybe you might change your mind or something.
One thing though , you can never deny truth , truth always wins in the end.
Burn On Dakota · Member since
Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions.
Mercuryking · Member since
Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions.
If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion.
jpf · Member since
plumrach wrote: Maybe im in a minority here but i quite like Freddie's solo stuff, he wasnt doing it to have a massively successful solo career but as he said himself it was just a little project that he wanted to work on
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Freddie wanted solo success. He just didn't receive it.
mike hunt · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case.
lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit.
mike hunt · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions.
If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion.
Freddie wasn't the greatest musician around....his piano playing was average. wasn't a very good guitarist, couldn't play drums or the bass very well. He was a great singer after years of developing. A great songwriter for sure and entertainer of course, but he wasn't perfect by any means, you should Just stop now....
Mercuryking · Member since
mike hunt wrote: Thistleboy 1980 wrote: Im not talking about that freddie was better singer or better pianist or whatever. Im talking about the talent for creating melodies, the talent of knowing whats quality and whats not, the talent to create real complex compositions (yea i know it doesnt have to be complex to be good , but if it can be both complex and good then its even more special)
He just had something that others dont have , its nothing i made up just to make people upset , its the truth. Nobody has what freddie had. NOBODY
AND freddies name is on every song on the barcelona album as the writer with mike moran , playing the piano for him. ============================================================================================= You miss the point, Amir, you really do - yes, Freddie wrote great melodies, but so did Brian, Roger and John. Take the likes of White Queen, Sail Away Sweet Sister, Save Me, Heaven For Everyone, You're My Best Friend, Friends Will Be Friends, You and I and so on as examples - all beautiful, beautiful songs that were not written by Freddie and are as popular with the fans as some of Freddie's better tracks. And do you think that because one is credited with writing a track that the others didn't have any input? Like I say, yes Freddie had something in mind with Bo Rhap, but it took some great guitar solos (worked on by Brian), some explosive drumming and some real tight bass playing to make it what it was, and then needed Kenny Everett to make it known to a wider audience. It would be a similar story with all tracks, that's why they eventually ended up having the band credited as a whole for tracks. I imagine that's how Fred got his name on all the Barcelona tracks? Btw, Tim Rice had a hand in those too. And Freddie had an ear for talent? Two words - PETER STRAKER. I rest my case.
lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. =========================================================================
The rest of the band is good dont get me wrong but they are nowhere near freddie, you just cant say they are equally good cause its not the truth and YOU know it. If they were equally good then AGAIN how come we havent seen that in the past 20 years?? You understand how long time that is. Thats Queens whole lifespan.
I guarantee you that if freddie would have lived 20 more years that we would have seen a BUNCH of epic songs coming from him.
Being diplomatic may make you sound good, but it is not the truth.
Thistle · Member since
mike hunt wrote:
lol, you really are just as bad as the original poster. Fanaticism in the other direction.....you could plainly hear on the barcelona tracks from freddie's solo boxset his ideas coming to life. The main idea for the song was his, of course other people desearve credit also, like mike moran. he really pushed freddie to the limit, but the main ideas were his. have you heard the boxset by any chance?....Also, it's not cool to discredit anybody for their work. like the original poster discredits Brian, roger and John. you like to go in the other direction with you're fanaticism, and discredit his work on Barcelona. Not cool!....Instead of being ignorant and trying to discredit freddie (no way you win on this one) Just say all four member's were equally good In my opinion. That's it!......instead of writing a bunch of bullshit. =============================================================================================
I am not discrediting Freddie, I am merely saying that he wasn't the be all and end all - he was not single handedly responsible for all Queen's success. I have used my points to illustrate that, not to diss Freddie. If you read back, I did also say that they were equals in my opinion, but Amir wanted reasons for my thinking, so I again have pointed out why the others were as important. And yes, I have heard the box and, yes, I can hear Freddie's ideas - but again, he was not the only reason why Barcelona was a great album i(n the eyes of the fans). There's no bullshit about what I wrote, I think you'll find there's plenty of hard fact in it all (apart from the red herrings I threw in to catch Amir out).
mike hunt · Member since
mike hunt wrote: Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: Burn On Dakota wrote: Truth = Facts. You have only presented opinions.
If we all could be honest to ourselves , then we could all admit that you just cant compare freddie to any other musician. THAT IS THE TRUTH and that is not just my oppinion.
Freddie wasn't the greatest musician around....his piano playing was average. wasn't a very good guitarist, couldn't play drums or the bass very well. He was a great singer after years of developing. A great songwriter for sure and entertainer of course, but he wasn't perfect by any means, you should Just stop now....
Funny thing about his solo work.....whenever I lend out lover of life, singer of songs to somebody they enjoy it almost as much as Queen. It seems around here his solo stuff is hated, but many people from where I'm standing love it. Just saying.
