Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: A commercial flop has nothing to do with good music in my oppinion. Mr Bad guy is still 10000 times better than anything Brian or Roger has come up with combined in the last 20 years with the exception of No one but you.
Why cant people just accept the fact that Freddie just was that special? He was and still is that special , he was the reason the rest of the band even made good songs. His influence on them, his mind, his energi made them what they were , and now as you can see, the guy goes off writing songs with the most talentless garbage there is , Gaga. Soon it will be with Justin beaver.
You all try to sound so diplomatic , as was Freddie but we all know the truth. That is that Freddie was light years ahead of every musician there is out there.
Freddie Mercury: individual Brian May: individual Roger Taylor: individual John Deacon: individual
Four individuals, writing, influencing, performing together = Queen = Brilliant music.
Got it Mercury SingerOfLife?
Mercuryking · Member since
Freddie Mercury: God (of music) Brian May: individual Roger Taylor: individual John Deacon: individual Three individuals plus one music god, writing, influencing, performing together = Queen Now: Two lost musicians writing crap songs with an crap artist.
There i corrected it for you :)
YannickJoker · Member since
I think it's fair to say Freddie was largely responsible for their success, but that's as far as it goes. Freddie was 1/4 Queen, just like the other three.
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emrabt wrote: Both Made In Heaven (the album) and no one but you have very little to no input from Freddie, but both are still very much Queen
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Made in Heaven very little input from Freddie? He wrote or co-wrote 7 of the 10 tracks! He may have had no input in the way the album was edited and which songs were put on, but he had a lot of input in the material itself. Not trying to say anything with that, just pointing it out.
Mercuryking · Member since
YannickJoker wrote: I think it's fair to say Freddie was largely responsible for their success, but that's as far as it goes. Freddie was 1/4 Queen, just like the other three.
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emrabt wrote: Both Made In Heaven (the album) and no one but you have very little to no input from Freddie, but both are still very much Queen
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Made in Heaven very little input from Freddie? He wrote or co-wrote 7 of the 10 tracks! He may have had no input in the way the album was edited and which songs were put on, but he had a lot of input in the material itself. Not trying to say anything with that, just pointing it out. ===============================================================================
YannickJoker: Apperently it does not matter even if he wrote 150 of 200 songs, he still is only 25% of Queen cause you cant ever be better than the other person. It just isnt possible, when you form a band everyone becomes just equal no matter if one is super good and the other mediocre.
That is the reasoning of Queenzone and others. Just cause you are in a band doesnt mean they are all equally good and they werent either, Freddie was the true talent. As said before , Freddie is light years ahead of EVERYONE.
Wiley · Member since
And you come to this conclusion just now?
After mountains of useless compilations...? After substandard releases with crappy artwork...? After them working with Five, Beyoncé, Pink and Britney...? After the We Will Rock You musical, after McFly...? After failed 'experiments' like the Queen Top 100 Bootlegs or Q+PR's "street team"...? After Kerry Ellis and "Anthems"...?
Oh yes, I can see it now... THIS is the moment we will remember everything started going down hill... Not the other embarrasements from the past...
No, you're right: THIS IS IT!
YannickJoker · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote:
YannickJoker: Apperently it does not matter even if he wrote 150 of 200 songs, he still is only 25% of Queen cause you cant ever be better than the other person. It just isnt possible, when you form a band everyone becomes just equal no matter if one is super good and the other mediocre.
That is the reasoning of Queenzone and others. Just cause you are in a band doesnt mean they are all equally good and they werent either, Freddie was the true talent. As said before , Freddie is light years ahead of EVERYONE. ======
No, but this is where you are wrong: Queen wouldn't have had the appeal it had if it weren't for Brian and his guitar. Songs like The Show Must Go On wouldn't have been written if Brian wasn't around. Another One Bites the Dust was very important and wouldn't have been there if John wasn't there. You are wrong in so many ways. I wasn't helping you with what I said, I was pointing out that I disagreed with something emrabt said. I disagree with what you're saying as well. Queen without Brian would have probably been the poppiest band you'd ever heard. Without John it probably would have been more rock. And so on. They were all incredibly important for the beast that Queen was.
Thistle · Member since
Nah, I can't and won't subscribe to that notion - each and every one of the four members are equals, and that's what made them the great band they were. Freddie was the greatest showman ever and, imho, had the greatest voice of all time, but equally he had great bandmates that contribted just as well. Get that crap out of your head!
master marathon runner · Member since
Yes, get that crap out of your head.!
. Master marathon runner
philip storey · Member since
"We are not bad for four ageing Queens!" Look Freddie is dead, John retired,we are left with Brian and Roger who started all of this with Smile.I f you dont wish to listen to anything new that Queen plus whoever or solo stuff then nobody is holding a gun to your head.Me i am open to new stuff and ideas.When Brian and Roger do call time the music industry will be a lot poorer for it !
And91 · Member since
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aQECS2aTCI
you'll see Freddie answer this topic in min.1:24.
Mercuryking · Member since
And yet nobody can answer how come they havent done one real good queen song since Noone but you.... interesting.
Offcourse the others were a great asset to the band but you cant compare them to Freddie, i mean you just cant. I wouldnt have said this if i didnt think it was the truth. Stop labeling them all as equally talented cause they werent, while brian ,roger and john were talented they were nowhere close to freddie cause fredde was really a one of a kind.
Hugowan · Member since
I assume that you're not a musician nor member of any band or performing act...
I´ve been both for almost 20 years.
Let me tell you something. Freddie would have been nothing alone. Same for Brian, Roger or John. The band as a whole was GREAT, as somebody said above, greater than the sum of their parts.
Period.
Mercuryking · Member since
yea you are right im not a musician , i dont know what i was thinking.
Ohh is that so mr fortune teller? So freddie would have not made it alone huh? Ok explain one thing then, BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY. That would have been freddies solo song with other musicians , are you still going to say that he would not have made it with that song?
Get real.
Burn On Dakota · Member since
Had to create a username just to say.. you sir, are an idiot.
Thistle · Member since
Mercury SingerOfLife wrote: And yet nobody can answer how come they havent done one real good queen song since Noone but you.... interesting.
Offcourse the others were a great asset to the band but you cant compare them to Freddie, i mean you just cant. I wouldnt have said this if i didnt think it was the truth. Stop labeling them all as equally talented cause they werent, while brian ,roger and john were talented they were nowhere close to freddie cause fredde was really a one of a kind.
I'm going to blow your argument out of the water, right here, right now. Now, I can't believe I am actually doing this, and saying this about one of my heroes, BUT:
1966 - listen to Roger with The Reaction (similar quality tape to the Ibex one) - awesome vocals, great covers (Roger) 1969 - listen to the Ibex show - shit vocals, shit covers (Freddie)
1969 - listen to the Wreckage tapes - shit vocals, shit song, shit instrumentals (Freddie, without Brian and Roger) 1969 - listen to 1984/Smile - nice songs, nice arrangements, great guitar riffs, neat drums, beautiful vocals (Brian and Roger with Tim and without Freddie)
1970 - NOW they come together, but without John. FOUR fucking bass players before him until they got it RIGHT.
1972-74- John arrives - music becomes tighter, production becomes better, Freddie grows in confidence, has a great band behind him and BOOM!!!! What follows is that we then have great albums like Queen, Queen II, SHA. Queen mainly known as a studio band, but have a regular tour following. Some great shows (from what we know is available), but also some hit and miss ones.
1975 - A Night At The Opera - critically acclaimed as the best of the Queen catalogue, each of the hits came from individuals, NOT just Freddie.
1975 - BOHEMIAN RHAPSODY - international super-hit, moment of genius, all the plaudits and superlatives known have been thrown at it BUT listen to the demos and out-takes, Freddie very much out of tune. Shows what can be done in a studio. Musically great. One of the best guitar solos of all time. BUT wouldn't have got anywhere at all hadn't it been for KENNY EVERETT.
1975/76 - Queen already 5 albums into the catalogue and a huge touring attraction BUT listen to some of the vocals from some of the shows we know: some shaky moments in Hammy '75 and definitely in Hyde Park '76. Musically, with Brian, Roger and John, absolutely solid.
1977 - Roger ventures into solo material. FLOP. Queen-wise, News of The World fairly successful, brings us two massive stadium anthems in Rock You and Champions, one of which being written by Brian. Queen now a massive touring force.
1978/79 - Brings us a Queen tour that we all want to see many official releases from. AOBTD comes from JOHN. Save Me comes from BRIAN.
1981 - Queen get a second number one, with a little help from a certain Mr. Bowie.
1982 - FREDDIE wants to change the sound a little. Brings us the album we all love to hate (and hate to love). The beginning of the end of Queen in the US.
1983/85 - Brian and Freddie venture into solo material. FLOP. Queen have a fairly successful album in The Works, with the 4 biggest hits of the album coming from EACH of the Queen members respectively. Queen on tour again, but in a tour where, retrospectively, Freddie is panned for terrible vocals.
1985 - LIVE AID - Queen steal the show and are back on the radar. That's QUEEN, not Freddie.
1986 - A Kind Of Magic - arguably the best tracks of the album came from Roger, Brian and John.
1986 - Magic Tour - retrospectively criticised for poor vocals and setlist.
1988 - Freddie back on the solo trail. Apart from Barcelona, FLOP.
1989- The Miracle. Queen share the songwriting credits and the album is not a great success. Again, the better tracks had Brian and Roger written all over them.
1991 - Innuendo. A fan favourite, spawns two number ones, neither written by Freddie.
1992/94 - Roger and Brian do some solo stuff after Freddie's death. FLOP.
1993 - A Posthumous number 1 for Freddie FROM A REMIX.
1995 - Made In Heaven - apart from some re-hashed vocals, no input from Freddie. Production values have John written all over them. Result = nice album, great Queen sound.
Around this period, Queen get another number one (with 5ive) WITH A BRIAN TRACK.
1997 - No One But You - the last input from John, a nice track as far as the fans are concerned. Reasonable success, the Queen sound remains (and without Freddie).
1998 - Electric Fir. FLOP
1999 - Another World. FLOP.
2000+ = MASSIVE FLOP.
Conclusion - Freddie was duff without Queen (and sometimes with them), and the remaining members are duff without him. Result = EQUALS.
The only way any of them could write good music was to bounce off EACH OTHER.
