I'm frequently, thoroughly and hopelessly wrong, and my teenager will be happy to tell you so.
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Of course we can all be wrong in life. But on a forum where we can take the time to formulate our thoughts, still only an elite few remain rock solid in their judgment ... needless to say you're in said group.
So don't blow it :p
Jimmy Dean · Member since
I thought this topic of discussion was about the ultra-secret conspiracy theory that Freddie Mercury was killed by the gay mafia and not by a fake disease that doesn't affect millions of people anymore formerly known as PRINCE? or am i mistaken?
emrabt · Member since
you know how i always try to find some good and logic in what Amir says, to the point of pointlessly defending him. well there is no logic, or point to this, it's just crazy conspiracy nut ramblings with no proof.
Freddie wasn’t a god, or a revolutionary. His contribution to music is undeniable, but there is no reason for anyone to secretly kill him, especially in the era where he was making radio friendly pop.
The truth is Freddies death was tragic, but he knew the risks and suffered because of his own stupidity. Like a lot of people in the 80’s when the seriousness of the HIV / AIDS situation finally hit him it was too late.
that's the truth, there's no cover up or anything.
YourValentine · Member since
emrabt wrote:
The truth is Freddies death was tragic, but he knew the risks and suffered because of his own stupidity. Like a lot of people in the 80’s when the seriousness of the HIV / AIDS situation finally hit him it was too late. that's the truth, there's no cover up or anything.
This has been often said but I always thought this is a very wrong and judgamental statement. When Freddie got infected - probably in the late 70s - nobody knew about AIDS. The only danger of many unprotected sexual contacts was syphilis and that was not really a big threat since penicillin had been invented. The connection between gay sexual contacts and the new mysterious disease was made very late and most infected people at the time had no chance. Also, gay sex was not discussed in public, it was a no-go subject and gay people were in denial on so many levels that facing the dangers of AIDS was close to impossible for most of them.
To say that gay people in the 70s and early 80s were "stupid" and acting against reason is laying the blame on individuals who simply were unaware of the danger. I know that Paul Gambaccini repeated in many Queen documentaries that Freddie said he would do "anything with anybody" but this was just a casual remark in a late night bar and I would not make a case that Freddie was an irresponsible individual based on such a casual remark. I can imagine that he was as scared and insecure as all gay people at the time. The taboos and social stigma connected with AIDS were so severe it is hard to believe these days.
emrabt · Member since
This has been often said but I always thought this is a very wrong and judgamental statement. When Freddie got infected - probably in the late 70s - nobody knew about AIDS. The connection between gay sexual contacts and the new mysterious disease was made very late and most infected people at the time had no chance. Also, gay sex was not discussed in public, it was a no-go subject and gay people were in denial on so many levels that facing the dangers of AIDS was close to impossible for most of them.
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we don’t know when Freddie got infected (I personally think mid 80’s, as 5 years seem an average on the medication of the time, but admittedly I’m no expert), but aids was known by 1982, linked to sex in 1983 and it was advertised all over by 1984, to the point where people were refusing blood transfusions because of it.
You’ve said it your self Gay people WERE in denial about the dangers, if, like documentaries and things suggest, he didn’t "care", then it is his own fault.
Mercuryking · Member since
you can call it crazy or whatever, one can not be 100% sure that he was even sick. He got a diagnose from a doctor saying he had a death sentence, he took their stuff and off he went faster then many others. IF you dont think a man with that much power would not run the risk of being killed then you are naive Emrabt.
Yes he made radio friendly songs but thats not the point , his music would always have pure emotions, messages of love and freedom, and thats the reason he couldnt live anymore. The industry is going towards pure robotic and emotionless times and with freddie still being alive that would be IMPOSSIBLE , hence why they killed him
And for michael jackson and his thriller album, i think its way overhyped and if it werent for queen that album maybe wouldnt have been. And the beatles sucks.
Queen on the other hand , works for almost anyone , everybody has at least one song. Freddie mercury cannot be compared to any other humanbeing , at least not in our century. To compare him to ordinary people like the beatles and ever michael is funny
john bodega · Member since
"He got a diagnose from a doctor saying he had a death sentence"
That's because he had full blown AIDS. Funny that. It's funny that a doctor, who had a lump of Freddie Mercury tissue taken in a biopsy, would know less about Freddie's health than Amir - arsefucking maggot from Sweden who never even met Freddie Mercury. That's pretty great - how do you do it?
"he took their stuff and off he went faster then many others"
Actually, AIDS conceivably killed Rock Hudson a lot faster than it killed Freddie. A quick look at some figures on how long it takes HIV/AIDS to kill someone (no matter their age) would probably do you some good - but I know from the 9/11 thread that you refuse to read things that debunk your retarded ramblings, so I guess we'll skip that for now.
"IF you dont think a man with that much power would not run the risk of being killed"
What power?? He was not much of an activist, and Queen's profile in America was mangled enough that nobody needed to give him AIDS (which would only make his music more popular anyway!). Are you even thinking about what you're typing, or is it distracting for you that Max is sucking you dry as you post?
"The industry is going towards pure robotic and emotionless times and with freddie still being alive that would be IMPOSSIBLE , hence why they killed him"
You're an idiot. They don't need to kill entertainers to kill music. Did they have to kill Freddie to sell copies of Rick Astley albums? Nope. It was already happening. If you knew a fucking thing about the music industry, it might be a lot easier to have this discussion.
"And for michael jackson and his thriller album, i think its way overhyped"
I agree, but it was a bigger influence on music that was coming out than Queen was. Do you understand the idea of influence? Amir does not have to like something for it to be influential. In actual fact, what you think doesn't matter because you're some sticky prat who's been wearing his brother's arse for a hat for the past 5 years and has forgotten how the real world works.
"And the beatles sucks."
Of course, wrong again. Funny how you disagree with the great Freddie on this one - as usual, Freddie is on the money, and you are aimlessly circling a drain of illogical bullshit from which you've made a self-sustaining cocoon over these past few years.
You are a cumbubble.
The Real Wizard · Member since
^ What he said.
malicedoom · Member since
This has just become my favorite (insane) thread of the week.
Doga · Member since
i don't know what is more sad, if Freddie died because his promisciuty, or if someone killed him.
Rubbersuit · Member since
There's no point in arguing with a conspiracy theorist.
2 things will happen:
1. Any evidence against their theory they dismiss as propaganda.
2. They barrage you with BS websites and "facts" that you'd have to spend a week to dissect and counter. Then you end up back at point #1.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Thistleboy 1980 wrote:
Now I was once told to stop feeding the trolls!
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B .. but... it's just so fun !
Burn On Dakota · Member since
Did you really say that "the Beatles suck"???
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........ ........... I won’t even argue with you about how wrong that statement is, I’ll just ask You realize no Beatles would have meant no queen.
Mercuryking · Member since
there is a difference, the beatles were only "revolutionizing" cause there wasnt that many bands out there, not because they were any super talent or anything, in fact i dont even think they were really talented. Queen on the other hand wouldnt have mattered if they were the only band or amongst many others , they still are musically light years ahead of everybody else. So for that reason the beatles cannot stand a chance, they were just ordinary musicians in a time were a band was something new.
TOTALLY overhyped musicians.
emrabt · Member since
one can not be 100% sure that he was even sick. He got a diagnose from a doctor saying he had a death sentence, he took their stuff and off he went faster then many others. IF you dont think a man with that much power would not run the risk of being killed then you are naive Emrabt.
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No, you go to a doctor because you don't feel well, if he was fine why did he see a doctor in the first place, BECAUSE HE WAS SICK?
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The beatles were just ordinary musicians in a time were a band was something new.
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Um.... you know bands had been about for 100's of years before hand right?
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his music would always have pure emotions, messages of love and freedom, and thats the reason he couldnt live anymore.
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Yes Freddie was the only person who’s music was about love and freedom (except when it wasn't, which was mostly).
It was the 80's you'll find it hard to find a song not about love, or freedom.
In fact I can only think of a handful of songs Freddie wrote about love and freedom,.
“In my defence” wasn’t Freddie
”Heaven for everyone” wasn't Freddie
”time” wasn't Freddie
”who wants to live forever” Wasn’t Freddie
”Too much love will kill you” Wasn’t Freddie
”my life has been saved” Wasn’t Freddie
”innuendo” wasn’t Freddie
”I want to break free” Wasn’t Freddie
"breakthru" Wasn't freddie
"One vision" was a band effort, but it was Roger who came up with the basic frame work.
However, paul mccartney, Cliff richard, Bob dylan, Billy joel, Waters, Gilmour, Mason, Roger Daltrey and Pete Townshend all wrote many songs about love and freedom, and guess what, they are still alive.
