The King Of Rhye
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BETA215
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dmrinri
I do think there were some physical changes in Freddie before Knebworth...a certain something that was vague at best. I cannot tell you how obsessively fascinated I am with him...I have been since I was first taken with him with the birth of MTV. It will probably sound freakish but I have always felt connected to him on a higher realm...never could quite understand it...On AIDS I think there was always suspicion and denial of equal proportions. It doesn't seem real that he is gone from this planet. I can truly feel the fear and horror he felt during this part of his life...I'm sure knowing that the careless behavior he engaged in...something no one knew, could have cut short his gifted life. I cry and ache for that still...almost 25 years later but like yesterday...miss you Freddie...wish our love could have saved you.
dmrinri
I do think there were some physical changes in Freddie before Knebworth...a certain something that was vague at best. I cannot tell you how obsessively fascinated I am with him...I have been since I was first taken with him with the birth of MTV. It will probably sound freakish but I have always felt connected to him on a higher realm...never could quite understand it...On AIDS I think there was always suspicion and denial of equal proportions. It doesn't seem real that he is gone from this planet. I can truly feel the fear and horror he felt during this part of his life...I'm sure knowing that the careless behavior he engaged in...something no one knew, could have cut short his gifted life. I cry and ache for that still...almost 25 years later but like yesterday...miss you Freddie...wish our love could have saved you.
hachiman
Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?
Biggus Dickus
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[b]hachiman wrote: [/b] Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
Well he showed signs of Kaposi's sarcoma already in 1985. As far as I know KS is one of the AIDS-defining symptoms. I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think one's health goes from normal to bad like a flick of a switch when one goes from the HIV-stage to AIDS-stage.
[b]hachiman wrote: [/b] Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
Well he showed signs of Kaposi's sarcoma already in 1985. As far as I know KS is one of the AIDS-defining symptoms. I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think one's health goes from normal to bad like a flick of a switch when one goes from the HIV-stage to AIDS-stage.
The Real Wizard
[QUOTE] [b]hachiman wrote:[/b]
Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
That we don't know.
But he did know the Magic tour would be his last.
Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
That we don't know.
But he did know the Magic tour would be his last.
Costa86
[QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
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[b]hachiman wrote: [/b] Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
Well he showed signs of Kaposi's sarcoma already in 1985. As far as I know KS is one of the AIDS-defining symptoms. I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think one's health goes from normal to bad like a flick of a switch when one goes from the HIV-stage to AIDS-stage.[/QUOTE]
Yes he might possibly have had KS in 1985, but the signs aren't clear, as spots in photos could have been anything.
We know for sure he had AIDS by September '86 due to the KS on his face in the Japan/airport photos. So he most likely had it by the Magic Tour, yes.
The thing is, the definition of AIDS, especially at the time, was somewhat sketchy. To what degree must your CD4 T-cell count fall before you have AIDS? Etc....
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[b]hachiman wrote: [/b] Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
Well he showed signs of Kaposi's sarcoma already in 1985. As far as I know KS is one of the AIDS-defining symptoms. I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think one's health goes from normal to bad like a flick of a switch when one goes from the HIV-stage to AIDS-stage.[/QUOTE]
Yes he might possibly have had KS in 1985, but the signs aren't clear, as spots in photos could have been anything.
We know for sure he had AIDS by September '86 due to the KS on his face in the Japan/airport photos. So he most likely had it by the Magic Tour, yes.
The thing is, the definition of AIDS, especially at the time, was somewhat sketchy. To what degree must your CD4 T-cell count fall before you have AIDS? Etc....
Kuijpy
In the WWTLF video, you can see some things that are very different on Fred since the beginning of the Magic Tour, his eyes, the look from it.
Biggus Dickus
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[b]Costa86 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
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[b]hachiman wrote: [/b] Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
Well he showed signs of Kaposi's sarcoma already in 1985. As far as I know KS is one of the AIDS-defining symptoms. I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think one's health goes from normal to bad like a flick of a switch when one goes from the HIV-stage to AIDS-stage.[/QUOTE]
Yes he might possibly have had KS in 1985, but the signs aren't clear, as spots in photos could have been anything.
We know for sure he had AIDS by September '86 due to the KS on his face in the Japan/airport photos. So he most likely had it by the Magic Tour, yes.
The thing is, the definition of AIDS, especially at the time, was somewhat sketchy. To what degree must your CD4 T-cell count fall before you have AIDS? Etc....[/QUOTE]
Only saw this post now and I agree.
[b]Costa86 wrote: [/b] [QUOTE] [b]Biggus Dickus wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE]
[b]hachiman wrote: [/b] Could Freddie already have had AIDS during the tour in 86 or was it still HIV?[/QUOTE]
Well he showed signs of Kaposi's sarcoma already in 1985. As far as I know KS is one of the AIDS-defining symptoms. I'm not an expert on this, but I don't think one's health goes from normal to bad like a flick of a switch when one goes from the HIV-stage to AIDS-stage.[/QUOTE]
Yes he might possibly have had KS in 1985, but the signs aren't clear, as spots in photos could have been anything.
We know for sure he had AIDS by September '86 due to the KS on his face in the Japan/airport photos. So he most likely had it by the Magic Tour, yes.
The thing is, the definition of AIDS, especially at the time, was somewhat sketchy. To what degree must your CD4 T-cell count fall before you have AIDS? Etc....[/QUOTE]
Only saw this post now and I agree.
Biggus Dickus
Those marks might be KS or not. He had the small one below the armband already in Rio so I doubt it was a bruise. It could be something else than KS of course.
sheldoncole
In Jim Hutton's book and an interview he says Freddie was diagnosed with AIDS (not HIV) at Easter 1987, after a biopsy was performed.
But Mary Austin in the BBC radio interview in 2011 said Freddie KNEW (NB not suspected) he was ill during the Magic tour in 1986.
Who is correct please?
But Mary Austin in the BBC radio interview in 2011 said Freddie KNEW (NB not suspected) he was ill during the Magic tour in 1986.
Who is correct please?
Costa86
[QUOTE] [b]sheldoncole wrote:[/b]
In Jim Hutton's book and an interview he says Freddie was diagnosed with AIDS (not HIV) at Easter 1987, after a biopsy was performed.
But Mary Austin in the BBC radio interview in 2011 said Freddie KNEW (NB not suspected) he was ill during the Magic tour in 1986.
Who is correct please? [/QUOTE]
AIDS confirmed by biopsy of a lesion which proved to be KS, in 1987, after multiple HIV+ tests dating back to 1985. He "knew" in 1986 because of the HIV tests. The biopsy was meant to confirm progression of HIV to AIDS.
In Jim Hutton's book and an interview he says Freddie was diagnosed with AIDS (not HIV) at Easter 1987, after a biopsy was performed.
But Mary Austin in the BBC radio interview in 2011 said Freddie KNEW (NB not suspected) he was ill during the Magic tour in 1986.
Who is correct please? [/QUOTE]
AIDS confirmed by biopsy of a lesion which proved to be KS, in 1987, after multiple HIV+ tests dating back to 1985. He "knew" in 1986 because of the HIV tests. The biopsy was meant to confirm progression of HIV to AIDS.
sheldoncole
Thanks. My guess is that Freddie did not know he was HIV+ at Live Aid (he seems very joyous and carefree during that performance) but found out later that year, causing him to leave Munich suddenly and return to London. He therefore did the Magic Tour knowing he was ill and that it would be his last tour. His comments before Who Wants To Live Forever about Queen staying together until they f***ing well die are of course very telling as he was aware of his limited life expectancy by then. What I still find strange is that Jim Hutton apparently knew nothing until much later - April 1987 - when Freddie was told his illness had now progressed to AIDS.
mike hunt
I think the test results came back negative In 85 and 86, and then positive in 87. He knew he had it On the Magic tour though. All his friends and lovers were dying, So yea, he and Mary knew the Magic tour was his last. Freddie still had that carefree personality in 85, with Mr Bad Guy and the video for living on my own and live Aid, so He must have felt something in 86. Then tested postive in 87, that's when you see a drastic change in his personality. A more mature, wiser and serious freddie In 88/89 with Barcelona and The Miracle. Still had his sense of humor. I'll always respect him for that. So ill, but still came up with the hilarious I'm going Slightly Mad. Love that song.