bullys are bastards

Ridiculous representation of something I 1) don't think and 2) never remotely implied.  From the guy who's been complaining about being 'taken out of context' and tragically misunderstood.  Well isn't it ironic.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
 Well isn't it ironic.[/QUOTE]
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It's like raiiiiiiiiin on your wedding day; it's like a freeeeeee riiiiiiiiide when you've already paid.

Sorry, I couldnt resist.

the school has now decided,my son.can have some home tutors,untill he is ready to return to school.....if ever.
the bullys have been spoken to and parents informed.and said sorry.
ye right,as if that will work.

[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote: [/b] Can't you get your jollies from some other place than trolling a forum?[/QUOTE] It's okay, man.  I was just using you guys as a perfect example.  What should have been a good discussion turned into your opinion about how everyone hates America and Grateful Fan's opinion about every US soldier (past and present) is just a glorified killing machine.  You were expecting everyone to simply agree with your stance and not take offense?And what did we come away with from that discussion?  Nothing... not a damn thing.  So using your definition, you are just trolling as much as me.[/QUOTE]

I don't think anyone was implying that everyone hates america or that the american army is any worse then any other army... Just that actions like those that were being discussed should not be considered part of 'normal' army life/operations. Not trying to start anything here, but i hope you didn't feel like i was trying to insinuate that i hate america or something? I would be equally against ANY person or soldier doing that, no matter what country (including my own).

[QUOTE] [b]david (galashiels) wrote:[/b]
the school has now decided,my son.can have some home tutors,untill he is ready to return to school.....if ever.
the bullys have been spoken to and parents informed.and said sorry.
ye right,as if that will work.[/QUOTE]


Yikes, hope things cool down soon :( At least he can keep up his education while he is out of school. Are there any other schools in the area that he could transfer to?

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[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b] Ridiculous representation of something I 1) don't think and 2) never remotely implied.  From the guy who's been complaining about being 'taken out of context' and tragically misunderstood.  Well isn't it ironic.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]It is the very function of the military machine to strip the enemy of all humanity so normal young men can go out and become functional killers.  [/QUOTE]

Hmmm....  So someone stole your QZ account and wrote this?  That's a nice blanket statement, I thought the "military machine' had more than one function.

So you and Bob keep saying "I didn't say that!!!" but jump on me for defending MOST of the military and citizens of the United States.

Ironic, isn't it?

You're not gonna get mad now and tell me to troll someplace else also, right?

THE MORALE OF THIS THREAD:

Don't let people bully you if you truly believe in what's right.  There's some pretty shitty people out there... some have uniforms, but not all.  But one should never feel pressured by the "majority" to not take a stand.

I am really sorry about the bullying your son has to cope with, David. Actually, I already was shocked by the start of the "story", i.e. a team mate of your son hung himself - like that is not a traumatising experience in itself! I do not understand why it is your son who has to stay at home now and not the students who abused him. In general, I do not understand where all this hatred, lack of sympathy and lack of loyalty towards your co-students comes from. Surely, the social networks alone cannot be blamed, there must be a condsiderable erosion of values when it comes to school education. What happened to the idea that students all "sit in the same boat" and need to help each other?

As to the rest of the thread - it is a real pity it was hijacked by what must be a knee-jerk reaction to Microwave's posting  although he made very valid points and stuck to the issue.

[QUOTE] [b]GratefulFan wrote:[/b]
It is the very function of the military machine to strip the enemy of all humanity so normal young men can go out and become functional killers.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE] [b]Microwave wrote:[/b]
Grateful Fan's opinion about every US soldier is just a glorified killing machine[/QUOTE]

You need to go back to school to work on your reading comprehension.

GratefulFan was asserting that the machine (i.e. the people in charge) AIM TO strip the enemy of all humanity, which doesn't necessarily imply they accomplish that goal with every soldier.

Oh, so I'm supposed to do what you do....  add something in  (i.e. the ones in charge) and totally change the context of what he posted?

That's what started the whole problem!!!!    You and "the crew" assuming I was glorifying peeing on dead bodies.

I don't think there's an issue with my reading comprehension... but more an issue of you and Grateful Fan choosing your blanket statements more carefully.   Then when it goes awry, stop changing the subject or posting your "quit trolling" remarks.  Stick to YOUR guns... if you really believe in what you said.

I mean really... you're reaching quite a bit, Bob.
[QUOTE]It is the very function of the military machine to strip the enemy of all humanity so normal young men can go out and become functional killers.  [/QUOTE]

"It is the function of the military machine to" is QUITE DIFFERENT than "The ones in charge aim to".  I actually agree with some of what you're trying to say.  But I don't think your "Ones In Charge" were condoning the urination act...  they were probably (1) horrified as much as you and I  AND (2) embarrassed that they're gonna have to answer for it.

Bottom line is, you were showing a perfect example of bullying on Queenzone.  One person (in this case TQ) lights a fire and certain people (I'm being nice here) jump on.  You really actually believed that I was ok with this horrible act.  So you threw common sense out the window as well.  All to be an internet bully.

Apples and oranges. Don't attempt to scribble in a line to connect two things that are not related. There's a major difference between this and the urination thing.

You saying that worse things happen in war, like rape and torture, effectively stating that urinating on dead bodies is the lesser of the two evils, is a commonly used tactic to attempt to distract from the subject at hand to exonerate (or at best, overlook) one group's actions by vilifying another who has done something similar or worse.  In this case, it's people like yourself who are unequivocally pro-military and use this tactic to attempt to deflect the attention elsewhere when the military, who are supposed to be "fighting for our freedoms," have done wrong in some way. It's on page one of the right-wing playbook.

GratefulFan made a true statement about the way soldiers are trained. By dehumanizing the enemy, it is easy to train soldiers to be mindless drones devoid of emotion who will take out whoever they are told to take out. It is not a blanket statement. This is the way war has worked for the last five thousand years. It's not something the United States came up with.

1.  You're beating a dying argument.  By inferring I am making a comparison was your first mistake.  My point was clearly made...   what 2 or 3 marines do (in disgust) is not the worst thing that has ever happened in war.  If it were a comparison, you'd have to bring a hell of lot more than rape and torture into the foray...  you went there, I didn't.  You twisted it into a way that you and TQ could have some fun.  And then GratefulFan jumped in... even when after several attempts to clarify, you kept it going. 

2.  GratefulFan did NOT give a true statement about military training.  That would infer (your strategy) that he is somehow knowledgeable about the way soldiers, in this case the Marines, are trained.  There are several different fields within the Marines... they have medics, corpsmen, engineers, pilots, scientists, etc.  To say they're all trained like drones is factually incorrect.  If it were, why would they be one of the strongest military forces in the world?  (ONE OF, not THE... in case you're planning on going there)

And if you're still convinced that you're the moral compass of what's wrong and right with the military, why not try talking (directly) to someone who has served, instead of making hateful remarks about what they do (and sacrifice) on a daily basis.    (and then piling on someone who says 'hey wait a minute, this isn't a fair representation of The United States Military!!')

[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
By inferring I am making a comparison was your first mistake.[/QUOTE]
If it wasn't a comparison, then what was it? You were the first (and only) person to bring up rape and torture.

[QUOTE]There are several different fields within the Marines... they have medics, corpsmen, engineers, pilots, scientists, etc. To say they're all trained like drones is factually incorrect.[/QUOTE]
Obviously she was referring to the people on the front lines, not the entire military. It is no secret that the US military recruits soldiers almost exclusively from states with consistently low IQ scores. These are the people doing the dirty work. Do you think they'll be able to kill without remorse if their military training consists of the history of middle eastern architecture? No - they are taught that the enemy is a bunch of savages that need to be eliminated, otherwise the US will be at risk. It's not hard to hammer that point into someone with a ninth grade education.

I know plenty of people who have served in the military in various positions. Please don't patronize me and stick to the subject at hand.

[QUOTE]It is no secret that the US military recruits soldiers almost exclusively from states with consistently low IQ scores[/QUOTE]

Wow... I'm starting to believe you're one sick bastard.  If it's no secret, source please?  Besides "They say"... 

So now everyone gets IQ tests. 

And somewhere, someone says "Hey, look at all these scores in the 90s from... say Alabama.  Let's go grab these people up because they're stupid?

Dude, Oswald killed JFK.  Sorry to disappoint you... Mr. Conspiracy.  Although, feel free to continue passing out your literature at Dealey Plaza.

[QUOTE]I know plenty of people who have served in the military in various positions. Please don't patronize me and stick to the subject at hand.[/QUOTE]

Ah, the ol' 'I've got friends who are black...'    Priceless.

[QUOTE]So now everyone gets IQ tests.[/QUOTE]
Absolutely. For decades the military has been very open about wanting to ensure a respectable level of intelligence in all departments to get the job done, but a few years back they lowered their standards so they could get more people to serve in Iraq.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/war_stories/2006/01/gi_schmo.html

There was a 60 Minutes on the topic at the time. There was footage of ads being posted on street corners in South Carolina and Mississippi small towns in search of soldiers. One of the army officials interviewed spoke with political double-speak like "some states were preferred over others."

[QUOTE]Ah, the ol' 'I've got friends who are black...' Priceless.[/QUOTE]
Why challenge my position if your rebuttal is preconceived? Were you expecting me to name names and provide full minutes of our coffee meeting?