Interesting article. However, nowhere in the article was this accusation:
[QUOTE]It is no secret that the US military recruits soldiers almost exclusively from states with consistently low IQ scores[/QUOTE]
Of course the military has lowered it's standards. That happens at war time or when there are a lot of deployed troops. Duh. But they are not actively recruiting from exclusive states with consistently low IQ scores. That's utter bullshit that you just made up.
I have a lot of friends that write articles...
The Real Wizard · Member since
I meant "recently," not from day one. Could've worded that better, I admit.
But the "that's what happens at war time" line is a load of crap. The fact that they have to lower their standards says a lot about the kind of people they need to fight in wars. Quantity over quality.
[QUOTE]That's utter bullshit that you just made up.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, you have to assert I made it up because it doesn't fit your worldview. Even if there was a NY Times article I could link to, you'd label it as left wing propaganda.
Micrówave · Member since
If the article said what you claimed it said. That last example did not. So there you go, flying off the handle again. Claiming I'm dismissing facts that aren't there? Really?
I think I've presented my argument in a pretty clear, concise fashion. It's YOU that keeps tripping things up with your rhetoric. So maybe YOU shouldn't enter political discussions and stick to Queen related topics, which you obviously excell at... and I'm not being sarcastic there.
Micrówave · Member since
But that last article you linked to was most certainly left wing propaganda. You can't tell that from reading it? C'mon dude. The only thing missing from that article was the cast of Glee standing up saying "Yeah!" after every point.
It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why the military lowered their standards for recruitment in the last few years. You must think the "Don't Ask Don't Tell" policy was instituted to be nice to gay people, don't you?
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE]So maybe YOU shouldn't enter political discussions and stick to Queen related topics, which you obviously excell at... and I'm not being sarcastic there.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
But there really is no point in attempting a rational discussion with you on subjects like this. You'll always find a way to deny, distort, twist or vilify the opposition to hammer your talking points home. No answer is ever good enough.
Micrówave · Member since
No, I think you (and everyone who read these) can agree that most of the time I'm bringing BOTH SIDES to the argument. I've never been one to follow the popular beliefs especially if their ass-backwards.
The Real Wizard · Member since
Both sides?
Mentioning torture and rape during a discussion about US marines urinating on dead bodies is the other side? It's completely unrelated. It just makes you look like you're looking to stir the pot.
david (galashiels) · Member since
i have to say,,i only posted the initial post?as a personaal problem with bullys.
i didnt expect all the other things to follow,
im sorry i didnt mean to start an argument amongst the zoners...
a little update,my son has now(2 weeks+ later)has been offered counciling for the trauma he has suffered,and the school has offered profesional help.as he was not at school to get it in the first place.
they say that as he has suffered more than others they will give him more support and pastoral care.
thats good of them,but a shame its 2 weeks to late.
but at last they are trying to help.
Micrówave · Member since
[QUOTE]just makes you look like you're looking to stir the pot. [/QUOTE]
What about your claims? All military personel are just killers and nothing more? The Military looks for stupid people in certain parts of the country?
So we're BOTH trying to stir the pot? Perhaps we should have smoked it instead.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]Micrówave wrote:[/b]
All military personel are just killers and nothing more?[/QUOTE]
Again, nobody made that claim. The claim was that soldiers are trained to strip the enemy of their humanity to make the kill easier. Which they are.
But you probably would be fun to smoke up with.
The Real Wizard · Member since
[QUOTE] [b]david (galashiels) wrote:[/b]
im sorry i didnt mean to start an argument amongst the zoners...[/QUOTE]
It's okay, these things tend to happen around here. Thanks for creating a thread that led to interesting results.
[QUOTE]the school has offered profesional help.[/QUOTE]
Good to hear. I'm sure he'll pull through it all.
GratefulFan · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]Micrówave wrote: [/b] No, I think you (and everyone who read these) can agree that most of the time I'm bringing BOTH SIDES to the argument. I've never been one to follow the popular beliefs especially if their ass-backwards.[/QUOTE] As relates to your completely dyslexic reading of my posts on this topic, what I'd agree to is that you seem to be having a (presumably) scintillating conversation entirely with yourself. It appears to me that you have taken very specific internal issues of the United States as they played out in the media at home over this incident and projected them all over me as I'm trying to talk about something completely different. I"m not interested in the limited and limiting debate about whether Barack Obama or Rachel Maddow or Bob or whoever insulted the USMC. That's your little domestic squabble to have at home, and not one that frankly is of much interest or concern to me. Because they're not our citizens or our troops to fret over in this case, the far more compelling line of thought for me is the effect of war and the behaviour of soldiers in general in these terrible, relentless, stressful conditions. Which is precisely what I was talking about when you went all strawman on me an half the other participants in the conversation.
GratefulFan · Member since
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[b]david (galashiels) wrote: [/b] i have to say,,i only posted the initial post?as a personaal problem with bullys. i didnt expect all the other things to follow, im sorry i didnt mean to start an argument amongst the zoners... a little update,my son has now(2 weeks+ later)has been offered counciling for the trauma he has suffered,and the school has offered profesional help.as he was not at school to get it in the first place. they say that as he has suffered more than others they will give him more support and pastoral care. thats good of them,but a shame its 2 weeks to late. but at last they are trying to help.[/QUOTE] I was more worried that your thread got sidetracked. :) Your situation is such a huge thing for a family to deal with. Thanks for the update, and hang in there.
inu-liger · Member since
[QUOTE]
[b]GratefulFan wrote: [/b] [QUOTE]
[b]david (galashiels) wrote: [/b] i have to say,,i only posted the initial post?as a personaal problem with bullys. i didnt expect all the other things to follow, im sorry i didnt mean to start an argument amongst the zoners... a little update,my son has now(2 weeks+ later)has been offered counciling for the trauma he has suffered,and the school has offered profesional help.as he was not at school to get it in the first place. they say that as he has suffered more than others they will give him more support and pastoral care. thats good of them,but a shame its 2 weeks to late. but at last they are trying to help.[/QUOTE] I was more worried that your thread got sidetracked. :) Your situation is such a huge thing for a family to deal with. Thanks for the update, and hang in there.[/QUOTE] Which is precisely WHY I made this topic below for them to spar it out within, because quite honestly this is bullshit when it becomes so intensely personal that it spills over into non-relating threads!
[b]david (galashiels) wrote: [/b] i have to say,,i only posted the initial post?as a personaal problem with bullys. i didnt expect all the other things to follow, im sorry i didnt mean to start an argument amongst the zoners... a little update,my son has now(2 weeks+ later)has been offered counciling for the trauma he has suffered,and the school has offered profesional help.as he was not at school to get it in the first place. they say that as he has suffered more than others they will give him more support and pastoral care. thats good of them,but a shame its 2 weeks to late. but at last they are trying to help.[/QUOTE]
You are really the last person who has a reason to apologize here. I am glad they finally care about your son and I hope he comes out of this strong. I think we must understand why students get bullied in order to stop it, I really do not understand why this happens.
