What REALLY happened

[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Yet another person whom the concepts of "trust" and "integrity" are lost on.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not that person. If somebody trusts me and asks me to keep something for myself, I personally don't leak it. But I just don't panic if something has leaked. Thare's too much problems in my personal life fot that.

As for Fuller's post in this thread..

It is complete and utter bullshit.

He is in full damage control mode, trying to save face. Nothing more, nothing less. But it's far too late. All credibility has been lost.

The files were watermarked. He broke promises for his fifteen minutes of fame. He completely betrayed the trust of people who put good faith in him. And as a result, many projects are now off the table.

The only people who support him have absolutely no understanding of how recordings get from the source to their computer. But they sure think they do.

As the old saying goes - it's better for people to think you're a complete fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.

[QUOTE] [b]ole-the-first wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]The Real Wizard wrote:[/b]
Yet another person whom the concepts of "trust" and "integrity" are lost on.[/QUOTE]
No, I'm not that person. If somebody trusts me and asks me to keep something for myself, I personally don't leak it. But I just don't panic if something has leaked. Thare's too much problems in my personal life fot that.[/QUOTE]
Then we agree.

This isn't about the material itself. It's about the way it was leaked.

You have every reason bob

I'm gonna go a bit meditative about this whole rarity collecting fandom and the stuff that's been going on. Sorry for the long post, but bear with me.

First off, I'm not a fan of bootlegs and rare material in general, because there's most likely some good reason(s) the material hasn't had an official release. This stuff shouldn't be in circulation in the first place, because in all likelyhood, someone still might own a copyright to those recordings, if there ever was.

As a fan, I understand the need to hear the rare stuff can be superlatively deep, and I'd rather go the official way, if possible.
As a (not so serious) collector, I kind of understand a need to possess something rare and valuable, but I really wouldn't put more than maybe 30 euros on a single album's worth of music, unless it was truly something majestically good (or the vinyl artwork was worth it).
As a musician, I understand the need to keep stuff from circulation where they don't belong - I wouldn't want people to have and hear stuff I was uncomfortable with. Not that I know for certain that Roger Taylor or any of the others who were in The Reaction would mind that this stuff is shared on the internet, but to be honest it's really not all that good.

Secondly, while I don't completely agree with the method, I kind of have to support digital/online piracy in that it allows us to browse through history in a way that no libraries in the world would ever be able to. It's a different thing trying to preserve stuff for posterity than collecting stuff just to own something valuable. In any case, there's too much wrongdoing involved in this whole business that you shouldn't really be pointing out at anybody for doing something they didn't like to happen. The person to blame the most could be the one who didn't think it was good enough for a release in the first place.

Besides, there's always more than one way to go about this business. This "preserving for posterity"-business has been going on for many years now in the retro gaming world, for instance. I've come across a few instances, where a preserver has managed to buy a game on ebay for several hundred pounds, and soon afterwards released a perfectly working image of the product in question for the internet community to enjoy, just because he felt it was the right thing to do. It might not be completely the same thing here, but as I said, there's more than one way to go about it. As suggested, you COULD get in contact with QPL...

[QUOTE] [b]Gaabiizz wrote:[/b]
You have every reason bob[/QUOTE]
Che... igual tiene un poco de razon el tipo ese... te imaginas que vos "garpes" como 5 mil mangos en una cinta de Queen, confies en una persona para que la guarde para algun otro momento (porque JSS compartió muchas de sus cosas raras) y ese tipo te traicione como el mejor, metiendola aca... es como para enojarse un poco ¿no? ...
ahh y lo que quisite decir seguro es "Bob, you`re always right" pero con sarcasmo... "every" no es una buena palabra para decir "siempre" en este contexto... y "right" queda mas lindo que "reason"... aunque de ultima por mas que quede medio feo tambien podes decir "Bob,you always have reason"...
Ojo, que igual te entiendo... eso de que anden "amarreteando" cintas medias raras es medio feo... pero bue, el que las pagò sabe lo que hace...
Sorry for the spanish...

English, please

Lol! As a casual fan, I feel like I'm reading the next Dan Brown novel. Does your elite group have John Deacon locked away playing bass in a dungeon?

What I can't understand is why you aren't hitting this ridiculous mouth-breather where it hurts. There's more than enough official material on his channel to get him yanked. Start writing some emails for shit's sake. There comes a time when old noodle-dick won't be able to appeal his way out of trouble anymore.

I for one am now bored of this argument,yeah maybe he did share something that he was told not to or maybe another member of the fanthology secretly shared it and it got back to him.Either way its out,Iv listened n to be honest I cant see what the fuss is about.Most people here are casual collectors not completest collectors so doubt that many will be bothered either way.If you two have fallen out over it fair enough but why fight in public.Keep it from the sight of us ordinary people like you do your highly secret record collections

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[b]ActionFletch wrote: [/b]Lol! As a casual fan, I feel like I'm reading the next Dan Brown novel. Does your elite group have John Deacon locked away playing bass in a dungeon? [/QUOTE]
No, he's been forced to work as a security cargo van driver, smuggling people back and fro'

John Stuart wrote...

"Think about it; since you left Fanthology has updated a huge range of studio rarities - which will never be discussed in public"

Now this is where I find all this secret squirrel fan shit pathetic and in many ways immoral, to my way of thinking if you are in posession of something that was taken from a recording studio or private collection of the artist, you are in posession of stolen property. pure and simple.

If you have a limited edition or out of print copy then fine, but why not talk about it and put it on display in the same way a collector of say rare guitars would for example.

To my way of thinking a lot of this secret stuff is simply a collection of stolen property

Am I wrong?

Message to you all, 'Elite Collectors' as you call yourself. I know from a close source that everything "shared" will be put out real soon. So my advice to you is to quick sell what still can be sold until the "fortune" you're sitting on just ends as a pile of useless second-hand magnetic supports. Enjoy the end of life as you know it.

MR PRIME JIVE.

I guess I'll be the greedy American who replies here haha!

This thread has gotten soooo far out of hand, as do alot of others on this site...it really is hilarious. I haven't posted in a very long time, and for good reason, as I'd be up in arms...le sigh

I see both sides of the fence for what they are...the collectors, and the dreamers, to which I'm happy to say I'm neither. I'm a fan of the band, the music, just like anyone here. Do I get obsessive? Nah...some of you do, and that's great, all the power to you! Am I gonna consider it a life and death issue if I do or don't hear the 'Hangman' acetate on FLAC or mp3 or WAV, or OGG? Not exactly...

The 'collectors' can have it. Are you gonna see me shell out 1000 anything to hear Freddie fart into the microphone in some studio out take? Well, it would be funny to hear, but nah...I have a 4 year old son that is well more worth deserving of my money. Especially in a fucked up economy that the world is apparently in.

Continue to say I'm rambling, be my guest. My point is here is that it's music ffs, and to see everyone get buttsore about it, is kinda funny. I remember seeing the post above me saying 'stolen goods that don't belong to us blah blah blah' (ok, slightly off on my quote, but it got the point across). How many songs do YOU have on your computer that were never released? I have a handful, yes, but you do too! Probably more than I, and it's all good! I, the greedy American, really am not so greedy after all!

My other point being...are any of you going to live or die without hearing some of these rarities? Well...I guess it depends on how much value you place upon it...if you're going to pull a hamstring and have a heart attack over hearing the 'Hangman' acetate for example, well, I wish you luck my friend. Start writing your will now! It's music...great music. But sometimes ignorance is bliss! Nothing I write here is going to change anything, and neither is anything you're going to write either. I will still continue to be the 'greedy American', the dumbass, or whatever you want to label me as. The collectors will hoarde or share whatever they like, and that's just it! You, the fan, are owed nothing, and nobody has to share anything with you...or me! Two words I will express...WHO CARES!!

There's my rant...chew me up to bits people! You're all quite good at it! :D

[QUOTE] [b]MERQRY wrote:[/b]
[QUOTE] [b]Gaabiizz wrote:[/b]
You have every reason bob[/QUOTE]
Che... igual tiene un poco de razon el tipo ese... te imaginas que vos "garpes" como 5 mil mangos en una cinta de Queen, confies en una persona para que la guarde para algun otro momento (porque JSS compartió muchas de sus cosas raras) y ese tipo te traicione como el mejor, metiendola aca... es como para enojarse un poco ¿no? ...
ahh y lo que quisite decir seguro es "Bob, you`re always right" pero con sarcasmo... "every" no es una buena palabra para decir "siempre" en este contexto... y "right" queda mas lindo que "reason"... aunque de ultima por mas que quede medio feo tambien podes decir "Bob,you always have reason"...
Ojo, que igual te entiendo... eso de que anden "amarreteando" cintas medias raras es medio feo... pero bue, el que las pagò sabe lo que hace...
Sorry for the spanish...[/QUOTE]

Si , te entiendo , bob tiene razon , pasa que mi ingles no es de los mejores capo xD
Seria feo que a uno le suceda lo sucedito , mas si gasto demasiado dinero